and there is renewed in the 300 page tell from glenn simpson whose company commissioned the trump dossiernd paid christopher steele to dig up dirt on the trump campaign. they had other intelligence from the trump internal campaign source. and the fbi believed that chris' information was critical. the chairman of the oversight and trey gowdy want to know the source. and want to know if it is connected to the simpson temperature. the records have been with held on the basis of the source compromised. >> we are on to information showing that the department of justice has once again along with the fbi, exceeded their authority. in this case, the material devin nunez will embarrass the department of justice and fbi and likely to represent misconduct and if not breaking of the law. >> reporter: the republican chairman said the dialogue will continue next week. they welcome an opportunity to work on a resolution. simpson did not respond to fox's question on the source. mar harthank you. representative peter king who sits on the intelligence commission. and thank you for joining us tonight. very

nobody is writing that except for the federalist because if you write a bad story about glenn simpsonke somebody cut off your drugs. if you want to be involved in the continuing russia collusion delusion, you can't do anything bad to offend glenn simpson. >> bill: i heard your statement that reporters are leaving facts and ethics behind. i want to try to figure out what they're not reporting so that we can get a better embrace of what is happening behind the scenes. all the movements in court and what the judge said friday is interesting. it all needs to be considered so we can understand the context. you, however, have been in the news for a very different reason. you were interviewed by mueller's team for three hours and you did a series of interviews. i saw you on every network. what you laid out, michael, is how your family has been exposed to what you say is financial ruin. and you make the case that you aren't the only one. now, since you've gone public have you had any blowback from them? have you heard from the mueller team or not? >> no, i haven't. but, you know, i'm not in a

brian: glenn simpson runs fusion gps. >> glenn simpson said that in closed testimony and became public. we believe he was telling the truth. what we are trying to do is get the documents to figure out did they actually have what methods were used to open this counter intelligence investigation? ainsley: if that is true. >> we don't normally believe is he telling the truth. but in this case. brian: you have a problem with his veracity? >> if you look at what he said and how he tried to walk it back and plant a story in the "the washington post" to walk it back. ainsley: makes it look like really was a spy. ainsley: if there was a spy though, what does that mean for fusion gps? or for christopher steele? >> i think what it really means, i think it will look badly on the department of justice and the fbi on how they conducted this investigation. steve: right. >> that's what we are trying to get to the bottom of. we are trying to put clarity and sunlight for the american people so they know everything that happened on how this investigation began. steve: it kind of sounds as if your congre

she meets with glenn simpson before and after the trump tower meeting.on nor donald trump junior know that those meetings have happened. now we know that she is essentially -- she said she is a russian agent of sorts with ties to the putin government. there is a lot more to know about the glenn simpson part of this relationship and where that all started. >> bill: listen, you run in these circles in washington, d.c., no offense. that's your home. this isn't the swamp yet. is it beyond the ability to imagine or even realize that aspects of the federal government were possibly spying on a political campaign that was running a national election? >> i think we don't know but we clearly have indications that lawmakers are looking at that. based on the glenn simpson testimony, which his lawyer says he stands by, based on lawmakers saying there are a number of different things they can't answer about how the f.b.i. acted in the early days, and i think there is going to be much more in this i.g. report that is going to come out at some point that lays out what t

so it's very intriguing that we'll see the full transcript from glenn simpson and republicans are nowbling their efforts to try to figure out who it was that the fbi was talking to perhaps inside the trump campaign that led to this investigation which is now been ongoing at least under the special counsel robert mueller for about a year. >> evan, we've just received the first big headline out of these thousands of pages of transcripts from the judiciary committee's interviews and the headline is donald trump jr. testified under oath in front of the committee that he had never spoken to his father about drafting one of those initial statements trying to explain this meeting on july 8th. we should just read it. >> the transcript here isn't quite so declarative here. this is one of the questions, "the washington post" is reporting that your father was involved in drafting your july 8 statement, is that correct? trump junior responds, i don't know. i never spoke to my father about it. do you know who did draft the statement? he responds, well, there were numerous statements drafted with c

. >> the idea of an informant inside the trump campaign originated with testimony by glenn simpson. now he is the co-founder of fusion gps, the firm that authored the unverified dossier on the president. simpson testified the former british agent who investigated trump told him the fbi had intelligence frrom, quote, an internal trump campaign source. simpson was actually referring to someone from outside the campaign who contacted the fbi. >> stay tuned there. >>> meanwhile, president trump says u.s. and north korean officials are moving forward with preparations for a summit in singapore next month, despite threats from pyongyang to pull out of talks over the shall of denuclearization, the president also assuring kim jong-un he will remain in power if he abandons his nuclear weapons program. >> and contradicting john bolton, dismissing the notion of applying the so-called libya model. he was referring to the dismantling of the nuclear program and its weapons of mass destruction but the president seemed to be focused on the military operation that removed qadhafi eight years later.

looked into. >> the idea of an informant inside the trump campaign originated by testimony from one glenn simpson oufred the dossier on president trump but a source close to simpson said that he was referring to an informant from outside the fbi. >> let's start with the fbi source or fbi spy or fbi two spies, i guess, if you're rudy giuliani. this is exactly what the trump team wants to use to try to discredit the russia investigation overall. >> absolutely. and there is a difference between a spy and a source. sources come to the fbi all the time with tips that are very helpful. as director wray said when we start compromising those sources, their safety and their identities, it's a bigger issue, right? we can't send that message to sources in other investigations and the post reported that in recent weeks to try to guard against potentially the source being revealed in this case, they've had to start, you know, looking at other open investigations and making moves to protect those investigations, those sources, people involved with them. if nothing bad happens, there was no misdeeds in the elec

but this is testimony that glenn simpson gave based on what he said chris steele told him.s you know, as zeldin just pointed out, there is a fundamental difference between an informant and a spy. >> it is not a semantic difference? >> it is but it is an important one. it is trying to cast app investigation of a conspiracy. >> now we have another layer on this for you, michael zeldin. cnn had some reporting on this which saidin, okay, what simpso is talking to the ambassador from australia who came forward about what he heard from george papadopoulos, on the satellite level of the trump universe. he had concerns. he went to the fbi. what is your reckoning? is this that simpson revealed early on there was a spy in the house, or that it is more akin to what cnn is reporting? >> well, the "new york times" reporting on this is that the informant is a u.s. citizen. so i don't know if that can be the ambassador from australia. i expect that what we have here is a live counterintelligence investigation where the fbi and the intelligence agencies are receiving information from sourc

if their sources, for example, glenn simpson and dan jones are still working with russians to try tofirmable. >> if you're burned by a source you should be more careful of that source, maybe even out them. i agree with you. we have to be very careful. >> i think that's what happened to nbc, by the way. i think that's what happened to nbc. i think that comes from fusion gps and dan generals, and i think reporters should be really careful about the information from that cabal. >> michael caputo, thank you for being here. i'd love to have those folks on the show as well. >>> up next the me too reckoning. did executives know about charlie rose's behavior and look the other way? a former staffer will speak out in her first television interview right after this. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything so we know how to cover almost anything. even "close claws." (driver) so, we took your shortcut, which was a bad idea. [cougar growling] (passenger) what are you doing? (driver) i can't believe that worked. i dropped the keys. (burke) and we covered it. talk to farmers, we know a thi

. >> glenn simpson runs fusion gps. >> glenn simpson said that enclosed testimony, now it became public, he confirmed he was telling congress the truth. we believe he was telling the truth. what we are trying to do is get the documents to figure out, did they actually have, what methods were used to open this counterintelligence investigation. >> sean: that is an amazing statement. we have been saying that this scandal is the biggest abuse of power scandal and corruption scandal in american history. we have been uncovering this, peeling back the onion, this is only the beginning. you got to sit tight and buckle up because everything that the media, the democrats have been telling you for well over a year is now getting flipped on its head, and all of it, as we told you at the beginning of this year, is boom ringing back on them. while the real russia scandal is expanding, robert mueller's witch hunt is crumbling. it's reaching embarrassing levels. let's run through some of the recent headlines. "at muller's probes first trail, expect more bond to mike blunt what mike lectures from the b

agree but the interesting thing that comes out from those notes and from previous testimony by glenn simpsonfounder of fusion gps, is that this russian spy met with fusion gps and met with glenn simpson both before and after that meeting. it looks like this meeting might have been a set-up. that is something that was designed at least in cooperation with fusion gps, which was funded to the tune of millions of dollars bit hillary campaign -- by the hillary campaign. >> it will be interesting to see as the information gets out there, people have a chance to digest it. i think that perhaps this picture will become more clear in time but i think like i said right now everything we know about it, it was garbled mess and the russians were trying to mess with the elections on both sides. i think that will come out from this in the end. david: there was question the extent where the fbi was spying on the trump campaign. it is word there was a source, an fbi source, or if you will a spy within the trump campaign itself. a question of when that individual was put into the trump campaign by the fbi is

. >>> you also quote fusion gps founder glenn simpson saying this -- we know fusion gps with the russiandeeper and deeper into understanding donald trump's business career and history, it gradually reached a point where it seemed most of the people around trump had a connection to russian organized crime and one way or another. this is pretty astounding stuff. it sounds sinster sort of at the face of it but is this really for donald trump about making money? he doesn't really care who's behind the money and where they are getting their money from, just as long as the money is being put into trump organization and trump property. >> that's exactly right. you know, donald trump gives you all kinds of inconsistent statements and things but his behalf yor doesn't change. his m.o. has always been he doesn't care where your money comes from but he's happy to take it. he's been associating with all kinds of crooks and scam artists for decades. the quote you mentioned, the interesting thing about that, glenn simpson, has how we got the steele dossier, but it was glen's investigation in all of th

h i think in that kind of, the london, christopher steele, glenn simpson axis is probably the individual we are looking at. we need to know whether this individual was spying or not. i have grave concerns about it but i think we can get those questions answered when the justice department ponies up the documents. >> tucker: you're absolutely right. are you suggesting or do you believe that this is someone who was pressured into cooperating with the investigation, or someone who freely sent information over about the campaign? >> i think it's the latter, tucker. i think this would be someone, potentially could have been paid by the fbi, like steele was. there was an agreement to pay steele. we need the answer to that. did they pay anybody? yes or no. w did they direct anybody to go to the campaign? yes or no. very easy questions to answer. >> tucker: this is the obama -- i'm sorry, congressman. please go ahead. >> ron desantis is exactly right. we also need to know the relationship between mueller and comey. comey kicked this whole thing off with a bogus fisa warrant and what is the relat

and glenn simpson for the still does if anyone colluded with russia it was hillary clinton well who purchased the steel right and it was the hottest russian source in the foreign country is the u.k. not russia here christopher watching the cable stations do you is it conceivable in your mind that president obama knew nothing about what his underlings were doing is that conceivable in your mind. it could be i mean i think there was a general awareness i mean certainly and he had to know sort of the obsessive instincts of hillary clinton wanted to be president i mean you know we heard the end it develops from election night in terms of the people that hillary clinton was most angry at was bill clinton barack obama and then donald trump it was everyone's fault but our own but we should definitely take a pause for a second to acknowledge hillary clinton's talent she can't even cheat in a way and you know i don't think that if you're cheating and you have all this behind you you do when she can even cheat and win and the whole thing about you know three million votes she won l.a. and she won new y

and glenn simpson for the still does see if anyone colluded with russia it was hillary clinton well who purchased the steel right and it was how this russian source in the foreign country is the u.k. not russia here christopher watching the cable stations do you is it conceivable in your mind that president obama knew nothing about what his underlings were doing is that conceivable in your mind. it could be i mean i think there was a general awareness i mean certainly and he had to know sort of the obsessive instincts of hillary clinton wanted to be president i mean you know we heard the end from election night in terms of the people that hillary clinton was most angry at was bill clinton barack obama and then donald trump it was everyone's fault but our own but we should definitely take a pause for a second to acknowledge hillary clinton's talent she can't even cheat in a way and you know i don't think that if you're cheating and you have all this behind you you do when she can even cheat and win and the whole thing about you know three million votes she won l.a. and she won new york r

and glenn simpson for the still does if anyone colluded with russia it was hillary clinton well who purchase the steel right and it was how this russian source in the foreign country is the u.k. not russia here christopher watching the cable stations do you is it conceivable in your mind that president obama knew nothing about what his underlings were doing is that conceivable in your mind. it could be i mean i think there was a general awareness i mean certainly and he had to know sort of the obsessive instincts of hillary clinton wanted to be president i mean you know we heard the end it's from election night in terms of the people that hillary clinton was most angry at was bill clinton barack obama and then donald trump it was everyone's fault but our own but we should definitely take a pause for a second to acknowledge hillary clinton's talent she can't even cheat in a win you know i don't think that if you're cheating and you have all this behind you you do when she can even cheat and win and the whole thing about you know three million votes she won l.a. and she won new york right you

and glenn simpson for the still does if anyone colluded with russia it was hillary clinton well who purchased the steel right and it was a heartless russian source in a foreign country is the u.k. not russia here christopher watching the cable stations do you is it conceivable in your mind that president obama knew nothing about what his underlings were doing is that conceivable in your mind. it could be i mean i think there was a general awareness i mean certainly and he had to know sort of the obsessive instincts of hillary clinton wanted to be president i mean you know we heard the end it develops from election night in terms of the people that hillary clinton was most angry at was bill clinton barack obama and then donald trump it was everyone's fault but our own but we should definitely take a pause for a second to acknowledge hillary clinton's talent she can't even cheat in a way and you know i don't think that if you're cheating and you have all of this behind you you do when she can even cheat and win and the whole thing about you know three million votes she won l.a. and she won new

. >> there is renewed interest in the testimony from glenn simpson. the co-founder of fusion gps.january the senate judiciary committee feinstein released a transcript detailing his business relationships with christopher steele who was paid for opposition research on the trump campaign. simpson told senator investigators, what steele told me they had other intelligence have an internal trump campaign source and the fbi believed chris's information might be credible. the chairman of the oversight committee wants records as part of their investigation of alleged government surveillance abuse in the 2016 election. is there a connection to the same source that appears in the simpson testimony? at the justice department members were briefed but did not review the records which were with held by the fbi. >> what we are on to is information showing that the department of justice along with the fbi exceeded the authority. in this case the material that nunes is looking for will embarrass the department of justice and the fbi and is likely to represent at least misconduct if not breaking

and the most interesting part glenn simpson, co-founder of fusion gps was part of writing the doszierd met with her before the trump tower and after the meeting. this was not giving donald trump junior dirt. it was her way of getting dirt>> kennedy: you have the lobbying. and make sense that putin's cronies want a reversal and they apparently gave wording and i think it is so strange, the take away here, presidential campaigns should not be trolling in russian swamps for opposition research? >> leslie: i am not standing on a aggress knoll. i think it raises more questions to your point as if he is telling the truth. did i read all 2000 pages, no. >> kennedy: i was afraid to print them. i wanted to. but they'll kill me. >> leslie: when somebody said the whole adoption thing and scrambling after the attorney and who says what and the text message and this is what i told him and hope it was worth it. and tell your dad i hope it was worth it. why if it is a nothing berger and an e-mail, tomorrow meetings at my office and i just saw them when i came back from the gym, that is a problem wit

says there is a renewed interest by congressional investigators in the 300 page testimony from glenn simpson, the cofounder of fusion gps. the story behind the unverified trump dossier. the senate judiciary committee is ranking democrat st. diane feinstein unilaterally leased the transcript the details business relationship with former british spy christopher steele who was paid for opposition research on the trump campaign. and told senate investigators, quote, essentially what steele told me was they had other intelligence from an internal trump campaign source and my understanding was the fbi believe chris's information might be credible. the chairman of the house intelligence oversight committee once records related to human intelligence source as part of their investigation into alleged government surveillance abuser in the 2016 election. investigators want to know there is a connection to the same source as the simpson testimony. the justice department members agreed but did not review the records which are withheld by the fbi, justice department and intelligence officials. >> what we

. >> the regional office are suspicious was glenn simpson at one point, the head of fusion gps testified there is a human source in the trump campaign based on his conversations with christopher steele. shannon: andrew mccarthy joins us with reaction. i'm going to tweet this out for people not as familiar with this case, you outline the facts, names and dates of everybody involved, very informative. grandsons and of fusion gps is a key player in this. he told lawmakers one thing, tried to backpedal and he is trying to say what i told you about the sourcing was right. >> it is interesting. the testimony he gave was steel, the former british by, the author of the dossier, told him the fbi told him that they had a source inside the campaign. wins that became a controversy after he said it he tried to walk it back and the way he walked it back was to throw it on this guy papadopoulos who had a conversation with the us israeli diplomat. it doesn't line up. when he gave the testimony in august, that story was not published until 5 months later so it is unlikely he could have known about it. wh

cofounder glenn simpson told senate investigators such as firms work on the trump dossier ended in september 2016. contrary to mr. simpson's denial in the staff interview, according to the fbi and others, fusion did continue dossier work for a new client after the election. that client was daniel jones. according to grassley, jones and his firm hired simpson to conte research so it could be shared with capitol hill, the fbi and the media after the election. grassley said their statements are covered by the federal statute that makes it a crime to lie to federal investigators. >> bret: a president trump and his mexican counterpart are once again going at each other over the border wall. and who is paying for it? this was the president last night in nashville. >> president trump: in the end, mexico is going to pay for the wall. i'm just telling you. all right? i don't want to cause any problems, but in the end, mexico is paying for the wall. >> bret: and this is the response from the mexican president. no, mexico will never pay for a wall, not now, not ever. sincerely, mexico. all of us. the e

s., glenn simpson, the firm that was paid by clinton campaign and d.n.c.or the trump dossier testified before the senate judiciary committee behind closed doors. and in january of this year, the committee's ranking democrat senator dianne feinstein made these transcripts public. a source close to the matter tells fox news there is renewed interest in simpson's testimony. simpson was asked about his contacts with former british spy christopher steel who did the underlying research for the trump dossier. simpson told senate investigators "essentially, what steel told me is that they, the f.b.i., had other intelligence about this matter from the internal trump campaign source and that they, my understanding was that they, the f.b.i. believed chris at this point and they believe chris' information might be credible. fox news is reaching out to glenn simpson for additional comment on that testimony, bill. >> bill: thank you for that. lowdown in d.c. thanks. julie has more. >> julie: for more on this, a columnist for "the wall street journal" and fox news contri

. >> you have a quote from fusion gps founder glenn simpson.ding, you know, donald trump's business career and his history, it seems there was a connection with organized crime." is that about money? >> in the 80s there was a group of russian criminals running a lucrative gas tax scam. the interesting thing is donald trump found them and got them to invest in trump tower and got them to buy a block of amounts for $6 million. that was trump's entry into the world. >> so is it clear that donald trump knew this was criminal money or just that it there were a bunch of russians that had a lot of money that they didn't know what to do with by your description so let's maybe swing it my way was his thought? >> maybe initially he didn't know but donald trump never wants to know. he takes your money -- >> is he playing dumb? >> he just doesn't want to know. yeah, playing dumb you could say. but i think after a while he knew. he had relationships with people who had criminal convictions. it was pretty obvious they were dealing with a criminal element her

paying for this and no indication that christopher steele was involved only a vague reference to glenn simpson> they said it was paid for by politic political opponents of the -- >> and that was christopher steele who the fbi deemed uncredible because he lied to the fbi about other disclosure to the media. >> let's step back to the issue to talk about this call for -- for a second special counsel. to investigate the investigators. to investigate the fbi, to investigate the justice department. have you spoken directly with president trump or any officials inside of the white house about this legislation, are they on board? >> i have not spoken to any of them about this legislation. >> has anyone else in your group of members of congress who introduced this legislation, meadows or desantis, have they talked to anybody in the white house? i'm looking to find out in f the white house supported this. >> mr. zeldin was the principal author and he said at a press conference he's not spoken to the white house and mr. meadows indicated he's not spoken to the white house about this resolution and i've n

glenn simpson, cofounder of fusion gps is a key player in this whole thing.e told lawmakers one thing, kind of tried to backpedal and now it sounds like he's back to saying what i originally told you about the sourcing and the start of this whole investigation was right. >> it's interesting. the testimony he gave was that christopher steele, the former british spy who was the author of the dossier told him that the fbi told him that they had a source inside the campaign. when that became a big controversy after he said it, he tried to walk it back. in the way he walked it back was to try to throw it off on this guy papadopoulos, who had had this conversation with the u.s. australian diplomat. that whole story. it doesn't line up timewise because when he gave the testimony in august, that story was not published until about five months later so it's highly unlikely he could have known about it. but what i learned this evening is that on the judiciary, the senate judiciary committee's website, simpson's lawyer, simpson was asked by the committee, if you changed

their own independent mole or a spy who was sort of at the center of all of this and we know that glenn simpson suggested that there was somebody who was invented in the trump campaign as part of the investigation. they try to sort of explain that here. it says at least one government informant met several times with mr. paige and mr. papadopoulos. that has become politically contentious with mr. trump's allies question whether the fbi was spying on the trump campaign or trying to entrap campaign officials. it questions whether or not there was someone who was connected to the fbi into the investigation was trying to sort of bait of bait papadopoulos and page into actions related to all of this. >> and to be honest with you i've covered a lot of counterintelligence investigations over 30 years. that is not an uncommon tactic. i think the early stories were suggesting there was a mole and headquarters. i don't think it's quite that. they had their suspicions, that's why they want for the fisa more. it's not uncommon in the counterintelligence investigation to use humans, to send a human to go tr

. >> my name is glenn simpson, i think he reports he has been tipped off to his arrest warrant in spain. is there any progress made as to who tipped him off, whether he's been put on a red notice. >> as soon as i take the floor i can answer that. he was subject to investigation in spain. they were conducting the investigation along with the anti corruption prosecution office, and in charge of the office, and i had lunch with him and he was heading up the investigation. we investigated him. why? because he was involved with a man who has been convicted and it seemed to us there was criminal activity going on to the extent that the 22nd of august, i think it was 2013, he was waiting for him to go to, and if he had arrived we would have met him at the airport. why? because we have telephone conversation that was intercepted under that investigation that led us to believe that he was laundering money. while the fbi also has linked him to other people, and they talked about these two people, they knew them and they were friend and currently he has been convicted. he actually had a plea barga

[laughing] >> my name is glenn simpson and ira a research company here in washington.der torsion, i would like to know i think sebastian knows it's reported he appears to have been tipped off to his arrest warrant in spain. i want to know if any progress has been made and figure out who tipped him off, how we found out about it, whether you then put on an interpol red notice? and finally whether you shared information with the u.s. government about it and spent and is suspected criminal activity? [speaking spanish] >> translator: well, as soon as i take the floor, i think i can answer that. alexander was happy to investigation in spain of a court in mallorca. the civil guard was conducting the investigation along with the anticorruption prosecutors office. juan correll whose anticorruption prosecutor, well, and he is in charge of the office in mallorca, and i worked with him. he was heading up the investigation and that's when investigation was successful. we investigated alexander torshin. why? because he was involved with a man who has been convicted and it seemed to

. >> the glenn simpson testimony suggests that they had somebody else and i have heard lawmakers sayingtter to simpson, are you standing by what you said, they had someone inside the trump campaign. the lawyer said again simpson stands by what he said. maybe he didn't want to look like a liar. talk about your brand new book, "three days in moskow," president reagan and and dealings with gorbachev that brought about an end to the soviet union. what is the in the book coming out that you never thought? >> the nuggets that are in here, the story, the detail, we found has not been out. oral histories. i interviewed a bunch of people secretary of state shults who is. brian: 500. >> he is 93. it's a moment, this final summit of four summits. i think we have a sound bite. ken duberstein was the chief of staff at the time. after the summit, after all the press and staff is leaving moscow on air force one, he describes that moment. >> as we took off on air force one from moscow the only time i was ever on air force one that everybody stood up including the press pool, and we sang god bless ameri

> they say there was a source embedded in the trump team that provided a lot of information to glenn simpsonsier crew, right? >> brian, simpson's already admitted in sworn testimony in the senate that the fbi told christopher steele they had a source in the campaign. none of this is new news. and by the way the list of subjects for that source or suspects is very short. and very disturbing. steve: sounds like according to what we have read, the source was not feeding things to the fusion. the source was actually feeding it directly to the fbi. >> and when we find out hot source is, i think some establishment republicans are going it be a little worried, too u this was a swamp operation. this wasn't just democrats. ainsley: we want to show you this interview. it was bernie sanders, he was on with jake tapper. jake was asking why do you support -- why did you support john brennan for cia director and then you don't when he was gina haspel's boss. but why don't you support gina haspel when they were doing the same thing right after 9/11? listen to this. >> why is brennan okay but gina haspel is