and joining me tonight here at the big table is julian lehmann he is from the global public policy institute think tank he has advised the german foreign office on migration policies and right next to me our very own political correspondent simon young gentlemen welcome to the show simon let me start with you is there any reason to think that merkel can do in two weeks what she has been able to do the past three years well i don't see that i see that the timetable that she's been set by her very and conservative friends as as it wants a baby has they hope of two weeks to get real movement on the migrant question he wants to see you know the way for wood for resolving this european level if that doesn't happen he says he's going to take action have his police. sending turning people back at the border and so on so those under a huge amount of pressure as she's talking about having bilateral negotiations with some of the other e.u. countries she's meeting the new italian prime minister here in berlin the seeming to sort of talk about this question of course the italians one of the countries th

joining me tonight here at the big table is julian lehmann he is from the global public policy institute think tank he has advised the german foreign office on migration policies and right next to me our very own political correspondent simon young gentlemen welcome to the show simon let me start with you is there any reason to think that merkel can do in two weeks what she has been able to do the past three years well i don't see that i see that the timetable that she's been set by her very and conservative friend as as it wants a baby has a hope of two weeks to get real movement on the migrant question he wants to see you know the way for wood for resolving this at european level if that doesn't happen he says he's going to take action have his police to sending turning people back at the borders and so on so those under a huge amount of pressure as she's talking about having bilateral negotiations with some of the other e.u. countries she's meeting the new italian prime minister here in berlin the seeming to sort of talk about this question of course the italians one of the countries

well let's get some insight on migration policy now if you ran laymen from the global public policy institute think tank here in berlin he's advised the german foreign office on migration policy julieann thank you for joining us we keep talking about this master plan that the interior minister horace they hope for one to introduce what exactly is in this plan sixty three points where we keep hearing it's sixty three points but we don't actually know what those sixty three points are because the planets in the entire he hasn't been published so what we talk about is this very controversial one point off the master plan according to which see if you have the ones to immediately push back a certain category of people namely those asylum seekers who have been registered somewhere else in other european states wants to push those back from the border so that's one plan but we don't know about the rest of the master plan what do you make of that very controversial point well insured it's not possible both legally speaking has that state you think that is responsible you need to ask are you really r

and also great to have with us he's co-founder and director of the global public policy institute in berlin he says the migration issue has long stopped being mainly about refugees it's now a tool in the fight for political power and identity in europe a fight that has the potential to lead to an implosion of the european union. so welcome to all of you i'd like to start out by picking up on your opening statement. because in fact our rifles are very definitely lower according to the u.n. h.c.r. the high commission on refugees see arrivals in twenty seventeen we're at one hundred seventy thousand more or less that's down by half of what it was in two thousand and sixteen and by eighty three percent compared to twenty fifteen so given those numbers where is this sense of crisis coming from what's driving it thank you thank you for the question thank you for having our un in the show. i think that it comes from two thousand and fifteen basically it's still we since two thousand and fifteen we have addressed the europe has addressed the situation in the crisis mode continuously we have

well you speak now to julian layman who's a project manager at the global public policy institute in berlin and specialised in refugee policy i just go back to that meeting between my horn and called it today is the italian seem to want this idea that refugees should claim asylum in the first place they arrive in to be to be changed how likely is that to happen on a europe wide basis well the negotiations on a reform on the dublin law which is the law that regulates this very rule that you just explain have been gone going on for years and basically on that very question on on whether it's possible to change the rule on first arrival there is a deadlock the proposal is to include a mechanism of solidarity which would foresee that in every time you have an influx of a large number of people there would be a kind of redistribution mechanism but there are obviously states that are not in favor for this and that's not the states at the front line but that's the states in the geographic center of the european union but if we think about how. much quero there is on the issue of redistributi

public. now for more on this we can go live to george samueli a senior research fellow at the global policy institute thanks for joining us now the german media broke this story in april and now he's being deported would this be happening if it wasn't for all the publicity. probably in art i mean i think that this is really the the big issue at the moment in throughout europe and in particular in germany which is the massive migration flows into europe and the fact that essentially europe is unable to control its borders and that the people who are coming in and staying in europe sometimes as in this case for decades. the authorities have really very little control over them and this is becoming increasingly clear and so i think this is now a very serious source of embarrassment for the german government well speaking of that lack of control we have this instance of a terrorist suspect being able to live freely in germany for twenty years is it possible that there might be more similar cases. i would have thought it's very likely i mean keep in mind that of course the nine eleven attackers have spent