gloria. gloria: thank you, bob. this is hispanic heritage month that we are celebrating, and today, we are going to talk about the rising impact of the hispanic electorate. let's look back at 2020. we know latinos are not a monolith in the eyes of the democratic party. everyone thought immigration would lure latino voters to the democratic side, but trump got more latino votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. what happened to the latino vote? what did democrats get wrong? maybe you could share your insight into that? >> it is great to be on any program with you, gloria. before we got on, gloria got me started in public service, naming me to the mta board, and supported me in any election i have been in, as i have her. and i am honored to be with you on the panelists, folks i know and have worked with. look, we have set for a long time, latinos are not monolithic . they don't all have the same political aspirations or concerns. cubans are often different than dominicans, puerto ricans, mexicans and salvadorans. but there

hi, gloria. i'm going to start with you. >> hi don. >> sure. >> some are saying this nominee won't face as tough a confirmation is going to be. they're really underestimating how nominating a black woman is triggering some on the right. what do you think? >> first of all i think no confirmation battle is ever easy, particularly in this kind of environment. obviously it depends on the nominee. but let's set that aside. what you just played from fox news is so disgraceful to me because what you had there was an anchor denigrating the qualifications of all of these qualified women by mocking george floyd's sister. it's -- it's disgraceful. it's insulting to any of those potential nominees. and i think what that does is, for republicans who may have ideological differences and likely with anyone that joe biden nominates, right, it lowers the debate. it's -- it's -- i mean, it's hard to find words to describe how disgraceful it is for him to have done that. these are qualified women. and instead he mo

and he called her gogo and she called him paul-paul. >> what we think we know about gloria's death is >> 911, where is your emergency? >> my housekeeper has fallen, and her head is bleeding. i cannot get her up. >> she fell going up the steps, up the brick steps. >> she's cracked her head, and there's blood on the concrete. >> she lives for three weeks. she never regains full consciousness. >> she laid in the bed, and i took her hand and asked her, mom, what happened? and -- she couldn't tell me nothing. >> there were ups and downs, you know. you thought things were going to get better, and of course they didn't. >> according to the family at her funeral, alex murdaugh says, it's my fault that she died at our house. she tripped over our dog, and so i'm going to get you a lawyer. he can represent you, and he can bring a lawsuit against me. i will agree to it and you will get money for it. >> we didn't have no reason not to trust him. we've known him all our lives. >> he always took care of gloria, and he knew how important her children were to her. >> the satterfield boys say alex murd

gloria: it was to protect incumbents. that was the first thing everybody took care of, which was fortunate. i think i commission provides more opportunity and fairness. there should be equitable participation and when you look at california, when they did this drawing with the first six members, they were all right. it was incumbent upon those commissioners to equalize the rest of it. at the end of the day, there are at least six latino members if you look at the demographics but that is not the case. i think there is one for sure and potentially too. i don't know exactly. i do not think there are six. bob: how many are there? christian: in the initial draw, there were a number of asian american and white and black members chosen. it was a multiracial group. the law in california requires ethnicity and race be considered in the selection of the final group and i think five were latino members chosen in a 14-number commission. gloria: again, our commission process when we do it at a local level is much better. i was on the

gloria borger, norm eisen as well.thank you. >>> now, more breaking news on how far team trump went to make it appear they won the election. surreal lengths, as it happens. in any case, phony. cnn's sara murray has details. so, what are you learning about what trump allies did in the weeks after the election? >> reporter: essentially, they were trump allies in seven states donald trump lost -- places like michigan, pennsylvania, arizona -- who decided they were just going to come up with fake certificates and they were going to submit those to the nation archives and those fake certificates say donald trump was actually the winner of those states that he lost. now, the watchdog group american oversight found these documents, and essentially what these folks were doing is they were trying to mimic an official process that is part of the electoral college. you know, what happens is the governor signs a letter, essentially saying joe biden won our state. they submit that letter to the national archives. the national archi

but to gloria's point, i think the door is still open. and there's some evidence of that, and that is that mike pence's top aides, his closest, his former chief of staff, his former counsel, they are cooperating with the committee. liz cheney put that on the record today. my understanding is the relationship is very good. i think that what she said today, and as gloria said that they're calling him a hero, one other source said to me today the committee keeps talking about how, quote, pence played a crucial role in upholding democracy and he has an important story to be told. they are trying to do everything they can to get him in the door. >> we will see. of course that is the crucial, crucial question right now. thank you all very much. >>> and next, capitol police officer brian sicknick lost his life after responding to the capitol riot. his long-time partner joins me with what she wants to see now. >>> plus the lengths republicans are going to to capitalize on trump's big lie, even firing at fake dominion voting machines. >> i'm ron h

gloria, big moment. big day.r mitch mcconnell said about this vacancy a short time ago. quote, the president must not outsource this important decision to the radical left. the american people deserve a nominee with demonstrated reverence for the written text of our laws and our constitution. we know both biden and his chief of staff ron klain have decades of experience with the supreme court confirmation process. gloria, how does that impact their strategy. >> look, what mitch mcconnell is telling you is, this is going to be the line we're going to use in the midterm elections. that whomever is from that list and you showed the pictures, is going to be a product of the radical left. i mean, it's completely predictable. i think mitch mcconnell says it because he knows he has to say it. it's also very clear to me that manchin and sinema, the two people who have given the democrats heartburn over the build back better proposals are people who generally will support a president's nominee for the supreme court. so i

>> hi, i am gloria from the suburbs of philly.t here. >> kelly: i know you. >> he was on your show. >> kelly: oh, my gosh, family tradition to come. i love this. i love this. >> so to my surprise, after high school, he came to me and said he wanted to come to l.a. so it's a surprise to me of course. we knew nobody appear. he has done it on his own. he's doing very well. as a single parent, i was so nervous for him. but i was good. this is my first time in l.a. >> kelly: welcome. from wherever you are from. philly. you said philly. it's very different. >> i wanted to see his paradise. >> kelly: i love that. >> so today is his birthday. >> kelly: happy birthday! [applause] >> all paradise today. i want to appreciate you having us here. thank you so much. >> kelly: absolutely. your mom is fine as hell. i love your mom. i love it. it's nice to see you again. are you still working, seeing? >> still trying to audition. you let me know. >> kelly: sing kellyoke with me. >> are a fun family. >> kelly: thank you so much, gloria. it's nice t

thank you, gloria. as an attorney as a professor as a playwright as an author. for being here thank you. and that long introduction makes me feel tired, but i want to make you feel tag as you did all that but i but it's to god be the glory and i i disappreciate the opportunity to use the skills as we've done throughout all of our legacy and history the user skills. we have to to take our community forward. so i want to know what is it like being you? you know surrounded by the incidents of race and law and justice. i mean, what does that feel like on a regular basis? um, i'm just a normal person who early on decided through my own experiences. i was bust across town. and i was busted when at the end of of mandatory segregation when it was ending in people were still being bust in but having lawsuits forcing it to happen. so brown versus board of education was 1954, but bussing really to certain places like my hometown didn't happen until the 70s and 80s. and so yes, so that that was the problem in a way my parents were like, oh we want a better education. we're

. >>> let's discuss with cnn's chief political analyst, gloria borger, and cnn political commentator, david axlerod, i spoke with th-- there's an obstructionist portion of the senate that keeping him from passing anything. he can't get the filibuster out. how deeply should the president lean into this we've got to reset. i know there are challenges when we hear from him at the top of the next hour. >> you know, i think something jeff said is really important, which is that you can't panic in moments like this, i've lived through moments like this in the white house, and i remember when people were writing barack obama off, and you have to recognize there are these valleys and troughs and we are going through a major crisis. i don't think you can overestimate the impact of three winters of covid and what that has done to the national psyche, what it has done to our economy. he's navigating through some pretty choppy waters here. i think the trick is to claim the credit for the successes he's had. yes, he's reduced unemployment by 40% from 6.4 to 3.9, but inflation is at a 40-year high,

elie, so december 23rd as gloria points out, that's when barr quit.hen according to politico that draft executive order was written that gloria referred to about directing the pentagon to seize voting machines. here is what the chairman of the january 6th committee, bennie thompson, said about that. >> a plan was put forward to potentially seize voting machines in the country. we do know that a potential person was identified to become the attorney general of the united states who would communicate with certain states that the election on their situation had been fraudulent and not to produce certified documents. >> obviously, elie, part of the significance there is that a potential person was identified to become the attorney general, right, because bill barr wasn't going to go along with this. this is where sort of at the final moment things perhaps changed for bill barr. what do you think the committee is hoping to learn from him specifically? >> well, erin, bill barr got out just before january 6th itself. however, he was there at doj and close wi

this time for the alleged theft of the settlement money from the gloria satterfield wrongful death suitx murdaugh is indicted on almost 50 additional charges. >> he has not yet entered a plea on any criminal charges. in december he apologized to the satterfield and harriet families, saying he planned to agree to pay back $4.3 million to them. >> there's a long road ahead for alex murdaugh. >> i don't know that this man will ever be free. >> obviously the biggest question is, who killed maggie and paul? and why were they killed? i don't think this is the end in terms of wrongdoing that we're going to hear about this family. >> our thanks to eva. we'll be right back. ♪ y powers your heart. want to feel your heart beat faster? drive an electric car. made by a company whose evs have gone five billion miles. for every highway... every driveway... ...and every speedway. and where the loudest sound... ...is the beat of your electric heart. this is the new nissan. ♪ ♪ you don't get much time for yourself. so when you do, make it count with crest pro-health. it protects the 8 areas dentists chec

gloria got me started in public service and then her also the mta board and me and never election that i've ever been and as i have hurt. and to be with you the panel as well a lot of things, we said for a long time the latinos are not monolithic, they're not all they don't all have the same you know, political or aspirations for concerns. often times different than dominicans and puerto ricans and mexicans the salvador i think they're a couple of other things that have happened here as well and one, i have set for a long time that the democrats did not work with the latina but enough and it is about. the youngest, the poor and the best educated, those three groups are in the electric today and so they need more work and adversely democrats tend toel oy work every four years pretty and i think the other thing that happened is the great deal of disappointment with the fact that they never pass the immigration reform there was always a big issue for us we had an opportunity to do that it was a big difference between publicans and democrats and republicans supported the president who call

talking tonight with gloria borger and bob woodward and robert costa, authors of "peril."t, i want to go back to someone robert mentioned before the break. namely, the night before. i want to review a few tweets sent today in preparation for this conversation we are having tonight. quote, i am going through old notebooks tonight from the peril project. the january 2021 box of notebooks. here are some notes. one year ago tonight, i was outside the willard wandering around with pen and pad pressing proud boys, oath keepers, monitoring the crowd. the city was otherwise empty. trump was in the oeval office with pence. then i saw black cars arriving at the hotel. city empty, freezing cold, rats everywhere, willard a hot spot. maga clashing with police there, rowdy, back of willard, black cars. follow. later, we went back and forth on whether to include the detail on the book and decided against it. extraneous. it is always nice to have more material than you need unless, of course, it is all about threats to democracy. robert, i can tell you there were plenty of rats on the str

gloria, let's start with you.e heard what jerry gonzalez says, we don't need any more speeches, we need action in washington. the president called this a defining moment. he had a defining moment speech six months ago at the constitution center in philadelphia. why is the president delivering this now, considering there's not been much progress on getting legislation passed in the six months since? >> look, if all had gone according to plan, from the white house point of view, they would have passed the american rescue plan, which they did. they would have passed their infrastructure bill, which they did, and then they would have passed build back better, which day didn't, and then they would have gone to voting rights. so what they've clearly decided to do since build back better is really on the back burner, they've said, okay, now is the time we have to do it. and you understand this as well as i do or anybody who's looked at politics. they understand that the window is closing. there's a good shot that they're

joining me for more is gloria borger and susan glasser and presidential history tim naftali. gloria, jeremy laid it out very well, how biden expolitician sitly is putting this on donald trump with a way we have not heard the president really speak. what do you think of what he said? >> well, first of all, i think it was a remarkable speech and i think it is a speech that he gave for history. i think clearly after a year in office and you look back on january 6th till today, donald trump is the major figure in the republican party, the litmus test of the republican party is whether or not you believe that the election was stolen. donald trump is now picking candidates for republican party. he is the leader. and after that year in which joe biden has been president, i think he took this opportunity to come out and say, look, i have to take a stand on this and i am telling you what i believe and what occurred and i am telling you that donald trump is a charlatan, he's a loser, he is somebody you should not believe, and this is not the way our democracy works. the people who inva

so, you know, i agree wholeheartedly with gloria.hey sort of overpromised what this press conference was going to be, that it was going to be a reset. it wasn't a reset at all. and you have now -- i think this real admission by this president of failure, right? he came into the white house saying that he could work with republicans. that was sort of his stock in trade. he worked in the senate for many, many years. now he's admitting that he sort of misread them all along. i thought it was a real admission of naivete, really, saying who would have thought the republicans were going to be so in lockstep with donald trump? well, everyone who watched the last four years expected the republicans to behave in a way that they're behaving now. >> you know, matthew chance is our correspondent in ukraine right now. and there was a huge development during this news conference on the russian threat to ukraine. the president trying to make a distinction between an invasion and what he called a minor incursion. tell our viewers, how did that go ov

i want to bring in chief congressional correspondent manu raju and analyst gloria borger. gloria, we heard some strong words, mitch mcconnell calling the president's speech unpresidential, calling it a rant, saying, i did not recognize the man at the podium yesterday. the gloves are off. >> it's beyond the gloves being off. i think we could safely say, and i think manu might agree, that mitch mcconnell has gone nuclear on this issue of the filibuster and personally took offense at the president's speech yesterday, which he called incoherent, incorrect and beneath his office. and this gives you a clear indication that mcconnell and republicans are going to fight tooth and nail on voting rights, that they want nothing to do with a carve-out of anything on the filibuster. he effectively called these tactics dishonorable. i might point out, you know, this is coming from a leader who did not give merrick garland a hearing when he was nominated for the supreme court, but that was another day. so you can say that the senate is at war right now, and mitch mcconnell has decided tha

we're joining by gloria brown marshall, a constitutional professor at the john jay brown of criminalk, senior political analyst ryan lizza and play book co-author at "politico." great to have both of you. >> ryan, i want to ask about the hard facts of this, right? where this is going. because he doesn't have the votes. and by the way, it's not just joe manchin, kyrsten sinema as well, but there are other democrats as well mark kelly, a handful of others who are still weigh what to do in terms of of whether they would support a carve-out here. has this become a symbolic fight rather than a legislative one, given that math? >> i think that it has. i mean this is a two-week pressure campaign, running up to martin luther king jr. day, on monday, to do everything they can, with, in the senate, with schumer, pushing this issue, and with the president out, sort of peaking with this big speech he's going to make in atlanta, and activists around the country, to try and convince the remaining holdouts in the democratic caucus that if and when republicans filibuster these two bills, then they n

. >> gloria hit the nail on the head. last couple days about the fact he's not going to -- he's going to throw democrats off their committees, this whole business about standing up to the committee in his way. this is all about him trying to become speaker. the problem he could have here -- i don't think it's certain, gloria, he's going to be the speaker. he's been warned that, if he continues to move to the right, he could have some weakness on his other flank. this is all about him trying to be speaker. that's why he'll do whatever he has to do. >> gloria, mccarthy is railing against the select committee's investigation calling it an abuse of power. does the select committee have any option to try to win over his cooperation. >> no. obviously the question is the committee going to subpoena him. we don't know the answer to that. i think they'd like to have some backup from the department of justice. they've held mark meadows in contempt. they'd like to see if the department of justice is going to prosecute on that, and s

gloria borger. thank you.re to discuss, a member of the house select committee investigating the capitol attack. we know that judd deere, the former white house press second for donald trump, issued the statement the day after the insurrection. what else do you think deere can tell the committee? >> well, i think this is important for three reasons. one, judd deere was talking about a tainted election way before january 5th and january 6th. he continued to amplify discussion. as gloria just mentioned, the meeting on january 5th in the oval office is something that we feel needs to be discussed. we want to hear his thoughts, what his takeaways were related to that meeting. and wednesday that he had a hand in formulating the strategy and some of the media discussions on the day of january 6th and the president's response to that rose garden address. so those are some things that we feel are important. that need to be shared. our mandate is to get to the truth and we feel that having a conversation with mr. deere

but i'm with gloria.hat he could challenge the king, you know? but you know, when you run -- when you run for public office u make a decision, am i better than the people that are out there that are thinking about running? that's the way thought about it when i ran for governor, when i ran for congress, when i ran for president. and i think he has decided that he is capable of doing this job. who knows how it is all going to work out but i wouldn't get out of the way for anybody, and just knowing a little bit about desantis, i don't think he gets out of the way for anybody, either. >> you know, gloria, what are the chances you think that ron desantis decides to mount a primary challenge to trump in the event that the former president runs? >> well, twho knows? i mean, he is running for re-election as governor, first. and i am not so sure he wants to get in a big spat with donald trump right now. since he is running for re-election, but who knows? he's got a big war chest around 70 million bucks so that ce

i'm looking to see how america receives this embarrassment of riches. >> do you believe, gloria brown marshall, that this might get some republican support, granted it is such a partisan process now. i'm not talking about a lot, but some republican support, given the historical nature of this potential pick? >> i think as the historical nature of it. but you think about the states from which the women reside now or were working should support their nominations. i mean, yes, this is a political process, yes, it is going to be very divisive. i think the women deserve the full honest look at their credentials and to understand what they bring to the bench and if there are contenders who are outside of, you know, being black women and i'm sure there are, and let's compare apples to apples and see who comes out ahead. >> gloria brown marshall, laura coates, thanks so much to both of you. we're going to be talking about this a lot in the coming weeks. >>> russia has responded now for the first time to a u.s. letter addressing some of their demands. i'm going to speak to the state department

gloria borger and olivia troye.he numbers that alisyn just read from that "washington post" report are remarkable. candidates running on the big lie. so whether former president trump is the nominee in 2024 or not, the big lie, the distrust of the electoral system, the threat to democracy has metastasized. >> yeah, and he's the puppeter here. the irony for mitch mcconnell, of course, is that donald trump is also taking sides in senate races, endorsing some candidates that mitch mcconnell would rather not have run for the united states senate. he would like to be the majority leader again. but he's got donald trump out there, and there is one litmus test now for the republican party. it's not about taxes. it's not about budget. what's the one litmus test? do you believe the big lie? if you don't believe the big lie, donald trump will not be on your side. you will not be able to raise a lot of money. if you are in office, you can be primaried by somebody who does believe the big lie, and so you know, you could potenti

gloria, what have you learned? >> well, judd deer who is former deputy white house press sec re hair has been subpoenaed by the committee because he was in the white house january 5th and january 6th. and they believe that he can shed an awful lot of light about the president's state of mind during those two days. he was involved in issuing, say, releases from the white house. also, about -- about the violence, about the insurrection. i think there is a question about whether he was there when the president taped his infamous video to the american public. but specifically, one thing they point out that is so telling is a meeting inside the white house on january 5th. -let president called in his staff, and you could hear the crowds outside and, um, the president said to his staff, you know, there is a lot of anger out there right now. and then, he also said and asked them what are your ideas for getting the rinos -- that's republican in name only -- what are your ideas for getting the rinos to do the right thing to

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let's bring in chief political analyst gloria borger and elie honig.t makes sense they want to speak with him. the significance now. and there are a couple of nuggets in this letter that's released, this press release about what they already know about his engagement with the former president. >> and what they already know is what he's said publicly. he's told colleagues that he had disagreements with the president. he told news organizations as much. and so what the committee is saying here in their letter is, as is readily apparent, all this information bears directly on president trump's state of mind during the january 6th attack as the violence was under way. so he is somebody who is a firsthand witness here who spoke with the president, who argued with the president. he's a leader, a republican leader in the congress. and they believe that his testimony is hugely important to them to say, okay, what was the president's state of mind? now, obviously, there's a privilege issue here because he was talking to the president. the president is going to

. >> it's interesting, gloria, because president biden said of trump, he can't accept the fact that he lost the election, became a one-term president, twice impeached, by the way, the only president to be twice impeached while serving as president. >> also didn't mention that he lost the house and senate while he was in office. maybe he was being gracious about that. what is the thing that donald trump hates the most? losers. being called a loser. what joe biden did today was say, look, fella, you lost. you're a defeated former president. 81 million people voted for me. the -- >> about 7 million more than voted for trump. >> but the courts upheld it, no president in the history of this country has ever refused to accept the results of the election. you're out there, this is about your ego, this is about nothing else, not about the country, look at what you've done. it's not that he's going to convince all the trump ak lites to change their mind or the conspiracy theorists, et cetera, et cetera, but this was the most powerful speech of his presidency, as jamie was saying, historic, beca

. >>> joining us, chief political analyst gloria borsher. bob woodward, you heard congressman schiff and attorney general guarland today. i wonder what your reaction is to how it is playing out? >> i think this january 6th committee is being aggressive and very thorough, but you can't measure it by the number of interviews. the question is are there firsthand witnesses and participants who are going to explain what happened? let's also deal with the political reality here. it is a divided nation, not just about trump or the election but about january 6th. there are lots of people who think, oh, this was fine. in my view, having done this for decades, what happened on january 6th was a crime against the constitution. so are they going to find witnesses or evidence that will get people to look more clearly and understand the nature of that crime? i mean they've -- you know, just trying to overturn an election is, as you point out, an attack on democracy and its central premise. >> gloria, chairman bennie thompson yesterday called on vice presi

let's discuss with chief analyst gloria borger. gloria, what will you be watching for at his press conference? >> i'll be watching for a dose of humility. he's done this before. but a president who has to say, look, we miscalculated on omicron. we didn't expect it. we didn't have enough tests. i doubt he's going to admit that he spent too much time trying to negotiate build back better, in which case it looked like he was being led by democrats rather than leading democrats. but the big thing i'm going to look for is a president who is ready to say, okay, we're going to need a course correction. this is what we're going to do. we are going to try and pass parts of build back better rather than the whole plan. we're going to try and get prescription drug benefits, which people want. universal pre-k, which people want. and most of all, i think, he has to kind of take the reins and look like a competent leader. i think throughout this first year, lots of questions have been raised about competency. i think it goes all the way back to

the one and only aunt fwlor i can't gloria is joining me it. hey, aunt gloria, how are you? biden's not only keeping a campaign promise, but stating clearly and boldly that he, the next supreme court justice will be blake woman? >> i think that's wonderful. in fact, we have so many qualified black women, it's great, you know. i've heard congressman talk about affirmative action. these people have proven they are good at what they do. so there shouldn't be any questions about their qualifications. and i think it's wonderful that they're being considered, and i can't wait to see who gets the nomination. >> do you have a favorite? >> the south carolina native. >> judge childs? >> i think so. i'm sure clyburn said she was his choice, but i'll be happy with any of them. it's wonderful to see them and see somebody reach that level is great. >> so, you like childs -- i know you say any of them would be great, but you like childs because congressman clyburn who is also from south carolina said, she's the one that should be the nominee? >> yes, i do. i think, you know, it's important

gloria, do you share ben's optimism? yeah. do you think he will get this done, though? i mean -- >> i think it looks bleak, honestly. i just feel that, right now, it's a bit -- he knows that it is an uphill battle. and i think he is facing an awful lot of pressure from people in the base of the party who supported him, and who said to him, look, why did you waste so much energy on build back better and ya lost that. you got infrastructure, you got the rescue plan. you lost build back better. you should have been doing voting rights. and i think, you know, going the there to tlaatlanta today was t white house wes's way of saying we hear you. and joe biden going out and saying the senate doesn't work and i am all for changing the filibuster for this issue, is a big deal to joe biden. whether it's gonna be enough remains to be seen. but you see that republicans are not lining up. joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, and other democrats, by the way, are not lining up to change the filibuster. so, i would have to say that it -- it -- it doesn't look great to do this right now. >> so

chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin, gloria borger, we just heard jessica lay out what's happening at the supreme court, some of the reasons perhaps behind this decision, but this is big news for the biden administration and for democrats. what do you see as the impact? >> i also see it as big news for the country. it is a history making moment when you step back and say that joe biden as a candidate pledged to appoint the first black woman justice, and he intends to do that. and it is something that the country has never seen before. we all know as we've been talking about this morning that it will not change the ideological balance of the court you just pointed out but it will change the way the court looks. and i think we cannot understate that. and politically you asked for the democrats, of course this is an opportunity, it is an opportunity for the president who has disappointed lots of members of his base about what happened with voting rights, and he can now say i am going to fight the good fight, and i am going to get this nominee through and on the bench. >> so, jeffrey, glo

gloria, i want to pick it up with you. community, right? people have different ethnic origins, different political beliefs and background, such a diverse community. there is a lot of talk about the erasure of afro latinos, especially in entertainment. just curious your thoughts on that and how you work to ensure that that doesn't happen? >> it's a big problem. i mean, i think until this year, and i think that's what is so exciting about ariana dubose and m.j. rodriguez both being acknowledged is that these are afro latinas from our community. there's been such a deep erasure, and so many people don't even know, so many americans don't even know that afro latinadad is a thing. i have two afro cubans, you know, playing afro cuban for the first time in their career. they have only ever played black men prior to to this show, and they had such a gratitude that they were able to play the totality of their identities for the first time on screen. and so we just have a lot of work to do. so for me i am about the conversation, and

we'll see how that irony works out. >> gloria, do you think that whoever president biden nominates isial discrimination? >> not at all. you know, what is so ironic about this, we've had white male affirmative action for nearly 400 years by law and by violence. and yet we have now these black women who have harvard, yale, princeton backgrounds who are looked upon everything that they have gotten was given to them where they have the highest integrity and highest intellectual minds. and i think the other thing that needs to be understood here is that the first white female lawyer was part of us back in 1869, a part of the bar. the first black female lawyer was in 1872. so the black woman has been a judge in 1939, a federal court judge in the 1960s, and these women are beyond reproach when it comes to their credentials. so, yes, this is -- this whole idea that she will be tainted by o affirmative action. but no matter what this norm knee does, they will be tainted by something as they try to undermine their credibility. >> and he hasn't noted any of their qualifications because he doesn'

. >> joining us now former federal prosecutor and jonathan whack row and gloria borger, welcome to you. ronaldo, let me start off with you, that the a.g. balked at this charge of seditious conspiracy. first, when you look at the evidence, is it going to be an uphill climb to prove this or is it clear in the indictment they have a very strong case? >> well i think there is plenty of evidence. the statements we heard from the defense counsel i think were very foolish a minute ago. i think there is plenty of evidence that they forcefully were entering congress, that they were engaging in that sort of activity. the evidence in the indictment is more than sufficient to prove that. i do think, though, that as evan was saying the justice department has reason to be concerned, there is not a of case law regarding the statute so i could see they're being legal hurdles. i certainly think that the defendants could potentially serve certain legal challenges. as to the bottom line facts here, they're very strong and the justice department charged a number of different crimes here. so even if they a

and i think also as gloria said, this is a very special place to him. he relished the time he had in the senate, it is still one of his favorite times. he still said he considers himself to be in that chamber. i think that is a big fact near the scene setting of this. and showing people what happened. i think it is so symbolic to see the president going there, to see the vice president going there, and i think one thing that has also loomed over this, you see the aides preparing the remarks for this, is voting rights. and what the president is going to say about that. that's really been an issue that loomed over that day, and the aftermath of what we have talked about and you will hear president biden touch on it today. i don't think he's going to get into it in a real substantive way. he's giving a bigger speech on wednesday on voting rights. . >> do you know what i wish we were seeing here, though? i know a lot of republicans are going to former senator johnny isakson's memorial service, but i would like to see republicans speaking from this podium as

. >> lonet's bring in gloria borg and ronaldo imoti.l of the people that are obstructing and suing to keep testimony and documents from the committee, that are members of this inner circle that are talking and that wall is not holding up. >> everything is unraveling for those people because for every email or text, they refused to share, there is someone who texted them or there is someone they shared some information with and so what the committee is doing is kind of what reporters do. which is trying to sort of get the full picture from as many primary sources as they possibly can. people who were eyewitnesses to what trump was doing in that dining room as liz cheney was talking about. who went in and out, ivanka trump going in and out a couple of times saying you have to stop this. and what donald trump may or may not have been saying to people who were coming in and out of that dining room or the oval office. so they're trying to get this full picture and so for every person who is refusing to cooperate, and those are the bright shi