gloria will agree. unless somebody can -- >> just speak for yourself, okay? don't drag allredut of the box as far as i'm concerned. >> you know, i want to go to gloria, the only other one -- gloria, you have intimate knowledge of this case. i'm speaking now as a mom. and i -- that's my main job description now. as mother of the twins, and to think that she could go into court and try to sever her parental rights, and all this b.s. about how she fought for her kids that horowitz is saying, she never tried to see them. she never fought for visitation. >> well, i think, nancy, that she would disagree. and we don't know all of the facts because so much of it has been kept confidential. she did -- >> she gave a 90-minute interview. hello? in the last 24 hours, what's confidential, gloria? >> okay. well, but, in terms of her visitation. i'm saying apparently there was some visitation, minimal at best, i would agree. but what i'm saying is at this point, daniel is right that the court found that she had not properly relinquished her parental rights. therefore, she retains them. there

>> gloria allred. was a lot of emphasis saying this was not a money deal even though she gets a continuation of spousal support. what do you make of it? >> debbie rowe gets spousal support. also, katherine jackson, of course, is going to get a family allowance to support the children. i think it would have been inappropriate for debbie rowe to receive any additional funds. i'm glad this is the result and i hope it will be in the best interest of the children. >>> we are here inside -- chief the operating room of dr. gershon, chief of anesthesiologist here. propofol is a medication he uses all the time. >> we have to monitor his ekg, his co 2, make sure he's breathing. we have to see the saturation and make sure he's ventilated. >> that's all typical stuff? >> standard of care, yes. >> okay, so the propofol -- >> we're going to start infusing this. you're going to get a little sleepy. give me some good deep breaths. >> five, four, three, two, one. >> his eyes closed and what else are you looking for? >>

gloria allred. famed victims' rights attorney, l.a. carolyn madoff, trust attorney, l.a. en lake, famed defense attorney out of detroit. joe lawless, defense attorney and author of. gloria, he didn't know if he gave a sperm sample. >> that's incredible. just say let me at them or let nancy grace at them to cross examine them. this is incredible. you know, i don't know why he couldn't say a simple no or a simple yes. maybe he's given other sperm samples. >> maybe he's signed a confidentiality agreement. joe lawless -- >> that's possible as well. >> why do we care? why do we care? because of all of the money on the line that will go to whoever gets those children? >> one of the issues is going to be who's the biological parent of the children at some point and that's probably the reason the question was asked. i remember every sperm sample i've ever given. i don't see why he couldn't. >> laura, what about it? >> that's ridiculous. he knows whether he gave a sperm sample or not. this is just a mess. >> karen lynn, how will it affect the disposition of the will? >> well, wheth

gloria allred, if any of that were true and there had been a confidentiality agreement, doesn't that with death? i mean, the state wouldn't sue this alleged lover postmortem? >> the confidentiality clause might not end with death. and also, let me say, nancy. it doesn't matter who the biological father of the two children are because since those two children were born during the marriage of debbie rowe and michael jackson, they are as a matter of law the children of debbie rowe and michael jackson and it was never challenged in the first two years so that's the end of the story. it's interesting from a discussion point of view but not a legal point of view. >> i hope you're right. you usually are. quickly, natisha lance. when are we going to get the official cause of death? >> a few more weeks, nancy. toxicology results could be back in up to a week and at least a week. >> at least a week. >> everyone, very quickly, over 14 million americans out of a job in this economy. safety tips to protect yourself from online job scams. never, ever reveal all your personal information on your on

let's unleash the lawyers, gloria allred, victim rights advocate out of l.a., raymond judicha out of lanta, and renowned attorney alex sanchez joining us out of new york. what about it gloria? >> well, legally speaking, she is the parent of the older two children and that is a matter of law and if she fought for custody, she would have the legal edge and so she has leverage in settlement negotiations. >> what about it, raymond? >> that's why she keeps getting more money. she has leverage. there's a premmion in california because of her biological parenthood. >> what about the fact that she has repeatedly relinquished rights. is she in any position to really put up a fight now? >> i think she is because michael jackson has died. circumstances have changed drastically and now that he's died she has a claim and i think it's a legitimate claim and she should go forward with that claim. ♪ ♪ ♪ for you and for me and the entire human race ♪ gosse . >>> rowe waved her parental rights in 2001 telling a los angeles court, quote, they are his children all part of an $8.5 million settlement in wh

that is after gloria allred filed a petition on behalf of an advocate for children's entertainment. she and her 14 children will start in a new reality series. she could make it to $250,000 over three years. 600 full-time employees will lose their jobs this week. employees to prepare construction plans and serve in instruction cruze could be the bulk of the cuts. -- in construction crews could be the bulk of the cuts. the free time [unintelligible] twi has a cell phone line for travelers who were waiting. we are on your side with the latestinformation on the cash for clunkers program. for many car area -- for many area car owners and dealers, it is a good thing. >> we just had a 5% increase in our volume so far. it is only going to get better as time goes out and the word gets out. >> to qualify, the vehicle has to be less than 25 years old and get 18 miles per gallon or less and be registered and insured by the current owner for a least a year. if your vehicle meet those standards, i am sorry to hear that. but you could also get a $4,500 discount. the hydroplane votes that hit the

and attorney and child advocate, gloria allred. thank you both for being here. oria, you said that debbie rowe has definite rights to these children. how so? >> well, lou, she definitely has the legal edge, if there is going to be a battle for custody of the two older children of michael jackson, who were born during her marriage to michael. and that is because she is the only surviving parent. the courts still will have to look at what's in the best interest of the children, but unless katherine jackson can prove that it will be detrimental to those two older children to be with their mother, then she will certainly have the right to have them. >> and wendy, you say that debbie rowe should absolutely be removed from a list of possible guardians. why is that? >> look, she may have a legal presumption because she is their mother, in terms of biology, and she was married to their father for a while, but i would throw her out on her ear, lou, if i were the judge in this case, for so many different reasons. number one, she really has never treated them as her childre

gloria allred, as well, thank you. >> thank you, meredith. >> and now let's head back town to key westhas a check of the weather. >> "today's weather" is brought to you by priority mail flat rate boxes, only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. >> it is going to be a hot one today. 87 to 92 degrees. slight chance for isolated thunderstorms. as we look at the seven-day forecast, 50% chance of scattered showers and storms. all right, that's your latest weather. i've got another stop to make along the conch train. not to be confused with soul train! meredith? >> hitting the tequila already. all right, al, thank you very much. still ahead, the surprising number of drivers who know exactly how dangerous texting behind the wheel can be. and do it anyway. but up next, matt and al turn up the heat in key west. their hot spots showdown and more. right after this. >>> "today takes a vacation" is brought to you by expedia.com. >> and we are back with a very special split edition of "today" on this tuesday morning. coming to you from new york and key west, florida, as "today takes a vac

gloria allred got involved at some point, luckily they're okay physically right now. but if indeed he was an addict as we've heard throughout many different sources and throughout many decades, maybe since 1984, those kids were at risk. >> yeah. and we're not saying he was an incapable father. we do not know the inner workings of the relationship with the kids. for his own sake, and obviously it would have been great if there would have been an intervention that did some good. we wouldn't have had this tragic ending. >> back when they did the raid in '03, there could have been grounds for charges back then. hindsight is 20/20. maybe he could have been safd. >> sad to say. coming up we'll hit on a couple other topics. reports that michael jackson wasn't even in his own bed when he died. he was in a bed assigned to dr. murray. we'll talk about that, take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. >>> we want to let you know how important you are to this program. we love hearing from you. you help "prime news" go. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. you can e-mail us, another way to get in on the

paul peter sevson and his attor gloria allred is in los angeles.h. >> good morning. >> paul i'll bebegin with you. under the law which your organization helped to revise in 2000, 50% of all child performer's earnings in california are supposed to be set aside in a trust. aren't these kids protected already? >> the saving of the money is the least of this. i personally wrote the law to protect the exploitation of premature babies. remember, these children we're discussing this morning were born eight weeks s premature ani can't think of anything more dangerous to a people my than putting them in an environment exposing them to lights with hearts and lungs that are very vulnerable. in defiance, suddenly these children's lives are being sold. the emotional risk is so significant that finally i had to step up. >> let me bring in your attorney. gloria, you allege that laws -- labor laws have been broken here in the filming and shooting of these children. but nadya suleman says it's all based on misinformation from blogs and not on actual fact. what's yo

and many, including celebrity attorney gloria allred have accused octomom of exploiting those kids andting child labor laws. but is she crossing the line in trying to make the best of what, let's face it, is a life tailor-made for reality tv and the insanity that reality tv has become. what do you want her to do? live off the government or figure out a way to take care of her own family? and, next, a law student in california is trying to force the state bafer of california to allow her to take the bar exam tomorrow. sara granda says a ridiculous snafu is standing in the way of her dreams. sara paid by check instead of credit standard card online for. the local affiliate points out that sara is also paralyzed. obviously making her an inspiration to so many. but was a federal judge right when he denied his request for a restraining order prohibiting the state bar from barring her for taking that test? they don't take checks. plus, she can still take the test in february. what does it matter her physical condition? she did make a mistake, but is it crossing the line? got my thoughts. you

gloria allred, it is the writing on the wall.love for -- brian: all right, is the writing on the wall. -- it is the writing on the wall. art laffer joins us. >> the definition of crazy, during the same thing and looking for differen results. brian-- doing the same thing in looking for different results. brian: you liked it that you had the freedom of choice, but does it seem to you that that is leading us? >> i do think so. it is very difficult to even move from california now, as you know. the california tax authorities do not like anyone leaving, and we both left there to get a better life in a different part of the country, and it hasn't worked out beautifully for me, and i know it as for your family, and it is spectacular -- it has worked out beautifully for me. you are caught in your own little niche in your own little neighborhood, and you cannot get out. it is tragic. it is scary. brian: which will talk about that a little bit later on in the program -- we will talk about that. heck going back to the stimulus. going back t

gloria allred, as well, thank you. >> thank you, meredith. >> and now let's head back town to key wests a check of the weather. >> "today's weather" is brought to you by priority mail flat rate boxes, only from the postal service. a key west institution. ladies and gentlemen, we're we're in on the train. coming in on the conch train. it's been around since 1958. locals and tourists alike consider it the best way to see the island. having a good time? there you go! whoo-whoo! that's right. the conch train, ladies and >>> good tuesday morning. i'm news4 meteorologist chuck bell. the air is on the thick side out there first thing this morning. haze and humidity out there. the sun is shining right now. temperatures are near 70 degrees in most of our suburbs this morning. 73 in downtown washington. 70 degrees in frederick, maryland. a few 60s on the map. winchester, culpeper, mid 60s. uppe80s and low 90s today with plenty of haze and midity. chances for thunderstorms return tomorrow. all right, that's your weather. i've got another stop to make along the conch train. not to be confused with