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here with us are gloria steinem and the author of "new york times" magazine cover story of founding ofn. >> great to have all of you here today. >> 40 years. that was a stunner reading the note and realizing where "ms." magazine began. it was just sort of an insert, wasn't it? >> "new york" magazine. that sold out to everybody's shock, especially ours. >> what did you think the reaction was going to be? >> i think we were all very worried about damaging the huge women's movement by having an unsuccessful magazine. so the fact -- >> better than failure. >> we were just very nervous because we cared so much. >> we put everything in it. we thought we better put something in it about housewives, about welfare, marriage contracts, discrimination in the work place. >> because you might not have another chance? >> because we might never, ever publish again. >> it wasn't out there now you look at everything and you can't believe there was a time like that, right? >> one of these young ladies did say, i take it all for granted now. do you see that as a good thing or a bad thing? >> i think it's

not only us, the founding editors and gloria steinem at great length, but people who wrote for us, peopleof good, healthy disputation in it, and she's -- >> thank you, mom. >> she's caught their voices. no, it is interesting to read your own history through the eyes of the next generation and recognize it. >> abigail, letty, thank you very much. congratulations. 40 years. >> this had to be thrilling for you. >> it was thrilling it was complicated. i've had a lot of therapy. >> yeah, well, but seriously, it -- >> it really was eye-opening. >> if somebody could write a piece on you, it was not an easy write. in 1971 to do this it was radical. >> it's true, and it's a very different prism when you're 46 years old looking back at what happened when you were 6. >> right. all right. >> she was in the room when we met. >> ladies, thank you. >>> up next, a group of passengers left on the tarmac for seven hours during last weekend's snowstorm. that story is next when "morning joe" continues. when is this stud muffin of yours coming over? dad you are not meeting him looking like that! i look fine.

here with us are gloria steinem and the author of "new york times" magazine cover story of founding ofold out to everybody's shock, especially ours. >> what did you think the reaction was going to be? >> i think we were all very worried about damaging the huge women's movement by having an unsuccessful magazine. so the fact -- >> better than failure. >> we were just very nervous because we cared so much. >> we put everything in it. we thought we better put something in it about housewives, about welfare, marriage contracts, discrimination in the work place. >> because you might not have another chance? >> it wasn't out there now you look at everything and you can't believe there was a time like that, right? >> one of these young ladies did say, i take it all for granted now. do you see that as a good thing or a bad thing? >> i think it's great to know your history. i didn't. gratitude never radicalized anybody. i did not walk around saying thank you for the vote. you get mad on your own behalf. if i had a choice, i would choose moving forward, not being grateful. >> abigail, must have

worked for a time when the year of the woman in 1992, which was only the barbara boxers and the gloria steinems and the nancy pelosis of the world were the victors, last year, which was the life of the pro-life woman. it's very rare now to find an authentic woman leader who has been viable, who in this last election didn't get elected. it was their day. it was their time. in combination, of course, with other factors. but the year of the pro-life woman was absolutely last year. and going from about -- close to zero, women leaders, like you, to the type of woman that is now prevailing in public office, four governors races -- and you i'm sure were also very involved in, attorney general's races, house races, and not even to mention the enormous number of state-based races that i'm sure you're involved in that we just couldn't stretch to, to reach, this is the time. this is the time and thank god you are here to give voice to what is actually happening. and i really believe down to my bones and it's the reason we started the susan anthony list so long ago that it has to do about this tradeoff, ab

, we have altogether worked for a time when the year of the women in 1992, which was already gloria steinem'sthe world or the victorious to last year which is the year of the pro-life woman. it is a very rare now to find an authentic woman leader who has been viable who in this last election did not get elected. it was their day. it was their time. the year of the pro-life woman was absolutely last year. going from about close to zero the type of woman who is now prevailing in public office, i am sure you were also very involved in, attorney-general races, house races, and not even to mention the door must number of state races that i am sure he were involved in that we could not stress to reach. this is the time. thank god you are here to give voice to what is actually happening. i really believe down to my bones -- it is the reason we started the susan b. anthony list so long ago, it has to do with the trade off about who we are and how we see ourselves as complementary to men. as always with an eye out for the vulnerable among us. the mama grizzly thing is a little too aggressive. you know