and so, betty betty was on the record as, you know, saying gloria steinem has no ideas. you know her. you know, she's phony, that that kind of thing. obviously, gloria didn't like that. you know and gloria never responded was very you know, she she took the high road. i guess i would say. but she you know, obviously they couldn't work together as allies so, gloria never denounced betty. no no, betty denounce gloria and that sort of boomerang onto betty. yeah. can you tell us about some of the other controversies that betty was with? yeah. well, probably the two that are the best known and the most, i don't know, lively or whatever. there's the one that i mentioned about gay women and that erupted in 1969, when betty used the phrase lavender menace at a national organization for meeting. in other words, she thought that women, lesbian women who wanted be counted equally or who wanted their identity to be brought much more to the forefront of the national organization for women she thought that they she called she called them the lavender menace. i'm laughing. i know it's n

look toward some of the most famous activist elders like people like doors where it's at for gloria steinem they are very committed to not just talking amongst themselves and not just applauding the next generation of people were following them but in really figure out they can provide what people need. i always feelok like and the sty isn't book, young people bring energy to this movement. they bring new ideas. theywh don't have a sense of what's impossible and so they make a lot possible in absence of that fear over what may be can happen or won't happen. and older people bring perspective. they bring the knowledge that one defeat is an and a tire failure, that you can keep going even if it feels like something is disintegrating, that you might feel rightht now like this isn't working but history will look more kind on it. i really think you need both of those things and so i just feel it's a mistake to say good for them, we are done now. because you can't really leave it to them. i am wildly impressed by the girls in this book. i have so much respect for them, but i wish they didn't have

partnership in commuting conversation if you look towards the most famous activists elders like gloria steinem are very committed and not just applauding the next generation of people who were following them but really figuring out how to provide what people need. i always feel young people bring energy to movements. yet of what's impossible. and so they make a lot possible in the absence of that fear over what maybe can't happen or won't happen. and older people bring perspective. they bring the the knowledge that one defeat isn't an entire failure. you can keep going even if it feels like something is disintegrating that you might feel right now, like this isn't working, but history will look more kindly on it. i really think you need both of those things and so i just feel it's such a mistake to say good them. we're we're done now because you can't leave it to them. i'm wildly impressed by the girls in this i'm wildly impressed and have so much respect. i wish they didn't have to do it alone. yeah. >> i think that is totally right. speaking interracial relationships. we talked about the cli