gloria swanson, one of the things i found is i went to austin, texas, to see the gloria swanson papers. you know, i teach ph.d. students. i'm probably the only historian who's made the trip to austin, texas, which has these great archives including the lbj library to look at the gloria swanson papers. and in the gloria swanson papers i found her handwritten notes that she gave her, whoever wrote her autobiography. the autobiography had none of this stuff, and the autobiography was written, you know, without much participation from her. remember when, god, who was it? wilt chamberlain or charles barkley or someone was asked -- >> [inaudible] >> was it, was it barkley? yeah. he was asked, you know, what's this doing in your biography? in your autobiography? he said, i don't know, i haven't read it yet. [laughter] gloria swanson, gloria swanson in these handwritten notes said that she tried during and after her affair with joe to figure out how this devout catholic who went to confession and went to mass could cheat on his wife like this. and she said -- and gloria was, you know, had her

gloria swanson, one of the things i found as i went to austin, texas to see that gloria swanson papers i teach phd students. i'm probably the only historian who's made the trip to austin, texas coaches are great archives, including the lbj library, to look at the gloria swanson papers. and that gloria swanson papers i found her handwritten notes but she gave whoever wrote her autobiography. the autobiography had none of this stuff in the autobiography was written without much participation. remember when, who was sick, wilt chamberlain or charles barkley was asked -- was a part we? was a senior autobiography? is that i don't know. i haven't read it yet. [laughter] gloria swanson in these handwritten notes said that she tried during and after her affair to figure out how this devout catholic who went to confession in which amounts could cheat on his wife like this. and she said, the gloria had her own prejudices. she said it was because confession is like washing his hands. go to fashion come wash his hands and start all over again the next day. this is part of the story i have to tell.

he said everybody knows my father had an affair with gloria swanson, and she said i know my father was an anti-semite and what ever you find come and what ever you write is going to be true to the man i knew and loved than what is out there. so i said okay. i want full access to everything. i want full access to the family, to all of the documents, to everything that is stored at the kennedy library in boston but close to researchers, and you will see the book coming you into the family and your lawyers and representatives will see the book when it's between hard covers, and i won't be coming back to you for permission to decide anything whatever i find i'm going to use in the book. he said okay then it took 18 months to get this in writing and i was off and running. and i found a more remarkable story than i had imagined. i found the story of a man who spent his life moving back-and-forth from being an outsider to an insider to an outsider to an insider. i found the story of an irish catholic who wasn't ashamed of his heritage but didn't want to be defined by eight. of a third-generat

real-estate agents said joseph kennedy lived year and there is a tunnel under the house going to gloria swanson's house. riyal was both interested and embarrassed by asked why he put that in the book and he did not really answer the question kennedy bookstore? there is a link and bookstore in chicago. >> it is doing phenomenal well. >> a think that would be good and to also bring in the cuomo family with their ceasing to exist relationship. >> host: not a fair question but if you compare david nassau the patriarch and bill o'reilly book would sell how many copies? 1 million? 10,000? are those figures close? >> i think you are a little low but not too much. bill o'reilly killing lincoln sold close at 2 million copies and it is out more than one year and not in paperback and has not slowed down he talked in an interview with me he says there billion do have to go on vacation to read the book is our 300 pages you can read them in a couple of days. it depends how much reader wants to devote to what publishers don't think about the zero is the bigger bucks top out at $35. >> i have seen it as high as

joseph kennedy would appear for a while and there was a tunnel underneath the house to gloria swanson's house and he said maria was the most interested and embarrassed by this story. i asked donald why he put that in the book. he didn't really answer the question. >> here's a question. kennedy's book store. there is a lincoln bookstore in chicago. >> the lincoln bookstore -- i want to try it that. i think a kennedy bookstore would be good. if anything you could fool and all the quote lows by virtue of their s by virtue of their ceasing to exist relationship. >> not a fair question but if we compare bill o'reilly's killing kennedy to david nassau's the patriarch about joseph p. kennedy -- other figures even quote close? >> they're not too low. below riley's killing lincoln book is close to two million copies. it has been known more than a year and is now in paperback and has not slowed down. 0 riley talked with me about more serious history books as only o'reilly can say. they are brilliant but you need to act on vacation to be retired to read their books. his book for 220 pages, talking

just as kennedy the for a while and there is a tunnel underneath the house and went forward to gloria swanson's house. he said rhea was both interested and embarrassed by the story. i asked arnold about why he put them in the book, did he think that would embarrass maria? he didn't really answer the question. kennedy bookstore. there is a link in bookstore in chicago. the link in bookstore. i want to chime in and say that i think a kennedy bookstore would be good. if anything, you could fold in all the cuomo's by virtue of their granted ceasing to exist as to the relationship nonetheless. poster this is maybe not a fair question but if we could but david riley's killing kennedy to david asked us to teach her about kennedy, if bill o'reilly's book would sell, how many copies? a million? to thought us and? at this figure is even close? >> guest: actually, i think you are the love on nasa, but not too low. bill o'reilly's, the killing lincoln book has sold close to 2 million copies. it's been out more than a year, not in paperback, not slowed down. o'reilly talk to an interview with me about more