glynn lunney left. he picked up another program at the time. it is now the next generation of our involvement, trying to involve the russians as our space partners. all of a sudden, i found myself short of flight directors and having to bring new people on board. it was a mentor, a teacher, a tutor, the same as kraft had done in early days pretty stretched our assets, -- in early days. we stretched our assets. we standardized. i would launch the apollo 15, 16, 17 for both the earth and the moon. the other flight director still remaining work gerry griffin who handled eva's. then we handed it over to be frank and britain would do the landings -- to pete frank and griffin would do the landings. we wanted to use the diminished resources but keep the quality as high as we could. 14 stands out because it was probably one of the most famous things that's griffin -- it is one of the things that i remember him in. as we were getting ready to go down to the surface of the moon, he had -- we had recognized the indication. when my other controllers came u