. >> the reason gnu—- >> and the reason they didn't wait the results was because wait for the resultsabout politics. it wasn't actually about reality. it was we have those it was we have to get those people onto barge so that we people onto the barge so that we can get headlines. can get the headlines. >> that's really quite >> i think that's really quite frightening thing. >> competition going >> there's a competition going on in this country. who are the more useless ? the conservatives, more useless? the conservatives, labour, more useless? the conservatives, labour , civil servants, i mean, labour, civil servants, i mean, but you don't. i don't stand back and think to myself that they're so good. they're doing so well and all the rest of it. and, you know, i was proud to have been a home office minister for five years when the home office also contained the ministry justice . it ministry of justice. it was a department with high morale, and it department that it was a department that was you know, was original know, it was the original department, the home office, to become shambl