he isjust another middle—aged man sailing on a diy project. jumpers for goalposts, that worked for meon that hell areas note, —— hell areas note, time has beaten us. i don't know what to say. we have not got any time anyway! that's it for the papers tonight. don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. it is all there for you seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers, and if you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it later on bbc iplayer. a big thank you to my guests this evening, ruth lea and ben chu. coming up next, it is the film review. hello, and a warm welcome to the film review on bbc news. to take us through this week's cinema releases is jason solomons. hi, jason — what have you been watching? hi,jane. well, this week, an uptight ewan mcgregor gets a surprise visit from some familiar furry flying friends. he's with hayley atwell. more to come in disney's christopher robin. there's a love letter from one film—maker to another, as mark cousins addresses his hero orson welles in a documentary called the eyes of orson welles, which

a lost of it is shifting the goalpost.eing that reflected in polls, showing erosion in the trouble of robert mueller at the time. the special counsel is speaking about indictment. they're not out there on the airwaves defending it. rudy guiliani is poisoning the well and pitching different strategies. >> not only different but the goalpost as folks would call it. part of the strategy, we're going to say this, and next week, we're going to say no. >> absolutely. the conversation of collusion and whether or not it's a crime is a perfect example of that. also when we're looking at ongoing negotiations over an interview, that's happening as well. he's saying, oh, we're absolutely open to an interview, really, the things that they're rejecting are central to figuring out whether or not donald trump obstructed justice in the firing of james comey and some other actions that he's taken as president. >> as he was hosting the show, jay sekulow, some callers were asking should there be investigations into hillary clinton and barack

china doesn't move its goalposts very much.ht years ago, sergei, who lived in the soviet union under common is, one of the cofounders of google, profit trumps principle. if you're a western company, sooner or principle. if you're a western company, sooner or later, no matter how principled you claim to be, remember do no evil was google's motto, sooner or later your evil capitalist shareholders, people like me, i'm a capitalist, god dammit, they will say don't care, get in there and grow. is it as simple as that? it is to do with money and growth and shareholder pressure. some say it could be time, google seeing a window but opportunity if the trump administration forces change in terms of how china operates in terms of how free and fair things are. you're trying not to giggle. those tariffs are really going to make a difference with the chinese! some would argue the trump diplomacy, the way he operates, the hard—nosed diplomacy, the way he operates, the ha rd—nosed policies as diplomacy, the way he operates, the hard—nosed pol

i've got a job collecting the jumpers left in the parks, it is not easy, they keep moving the goalposts

he is now wanting to move the goalposts to 25%.in at any moment we are expecting the white house to give us what they call an announcement on the current china trade standoff. they will lay out, quote, specific details. at the bottom of the hour, 3:30 p.m. eastern. sometimes they're ahead of time, sometimes they're behind. no matter what, we are going to keep you on time every step of the way. >>> meanwhile, the president just talked again about shutting down the government on the rush limbaugh radio show. here's what he said. >> and i say, hey, if you have a shutdown, you have a shutdown. now, the shutdown could also take place after the election. i happen to think it's a great political thing, because people want border security. liz: blake burman is at the white house. so many things to discuss here, blake, but at 2:00 when the federal reserve came out and said we're leaving rates the same, we were down 109 points. now the dow is down only under 70 points. it doesn't seem to be spooking the markets on this level. >> reporter: we

amounts to a surrender of the iranian regime or regime change in tehran and this changing of the goalposts renders other countries reluctant to comply would sanctions not knowing that the u.s. actually would at the end of the day comply by any agreement the others can come up with and the right to look at the end of the day there is a difference here between europe and china and russia europe it has its economy much more integrated in the u.s. economy a lot of european companies have interests in the u.s. so they regardless of what the governments say most of them would stay away but in the case of russia and china you have a lot of companies who have unlimited footprint in the u.s. and would simply not care about us and posing fines on them well right in saying that it's easier to take sanctions away rather than to put them back in place and that this may not be simply a case of phase one in phase two and they'll be this instant effect that the united states is looking for. well i would argue actually it's the other way around the sanctions were lifted in two thousand and sixteen but a lo

now they're using other goalposts. and i think that ultimately, they are very, very reluctant, and understandably so because the president is a tinderbox of potential perjury. >> senator blumenthal, thank you very much. appreciate it. >>> other views now. joining us, harvard law professor, alan dershowitz, author of "the case of impeaching trump." also cnn legal analyst anne mil milgram. professor dershowitz, this reporting that mueller's team is willing to reduce the number of questions that ask about potential obstruction, do you this that's going to be enough to get the president to sit down? >> well, it's a very smart move by mueller because it's not about quantity, it's about quality and substance. if they can just get the president to testify about what his motive was in firing comey or about why he spoke to comey about being -- going soft on flynn, those are potential perjury traps. so, mueller is very smart to reduce the number, if the result is that he can get trump to sit down and talk to him. the lawyers are

it's going to wind up in rapidly moving goalposts. in mind by denuclearisation is much closer to what we would call arms control. they want to be treated as a peer nuclear power and they are willing to discuss overall neutral reduction, which is a far cry from living up to the mandatory requirements of the un security council resolutions. you worked for the obama administration but i wonder, hasn't president trump, with his unconventional methods, achieved inafew his unconventional methods, achieved in a few months far more than president obama achieved in two terms as president? it remains to be seen what president trump has achieved. north korean leaders from kim il—sung on —— onwards always wa nted kim il—sung on —— onwards always wanted to be treated as a peer of the us president, always wanted to meet the us president but until now, no us president was prepared to accept north korean terms, to give them the validation, the litter legitimisation, the meeting, without north korea doing meaningful things to convince it of compliance

looks like the from campus trying to shift the goalposts a little bit again in the beginning after the election they said well there were no contacts with the russians from the trump camp from the campaign then it came out that there were a number of contacts with the russians from a number of members of the trump team including his son donald trump jr and they said well yeah but there was no collusion maybe they feel. the special counsel will come to the conclusion that there was some kind of at least attempted collusion there were seem to be some more or less incompetent attempts to collude with the russians for instance that infamous from toa meeting where the trump campaign was explicitly all for its information on hillary clinton coming from the russian government and they were interested in that so that might think that robot comes to the conclusion that this amounts to collusion and therefore they want to muddy the water before hence the point is as you said collusion is just a word that was mentioned in the mandates given to robot mode what is behind it is the idea of a possibl

. >> the original goalpost from the catch sits on his ranch in montana. you know it is also at that spot? clark's ashes and for the record, the play changed left slot and sprint, right option -- that was the play. >> it was one of those games were 500 people said i was there. >> that was one of the most iconic football players of all time and it is so nice that the 49ers, the close ones that together up at eddie's ranch. >> that was three days together, and a lot of laughs and stories. more stories were told today at grace cathedral. >> those friendships are pretty amazing. >> thanks, friend. >>> well, a dire warning this evening from governor jerry brown as destructive wildfires burn around the state. we have the governor's take on this explosive fire season. phil? >> it is interesting, the governor is calling it the new normal. if that is true, it is pretty scary. let's take a look at california governor jerry brown met with the state's leading emergency officials today, and while he praised their work in the latest deadly fires, he also warned that eve

everyone listened to it was like a poll ok obviously one guy is missing and he hovers you know it's the goalpost. it. how would i say it's made it easier the assisting. you know it's i'll show you the video because this was sort of the end of a love story. by . my. ex. and i was. warm up matches maybe it's a while ago yeah i mean it's a late night for the party is too late to motivate i mean it's crazy he's trying to talking about the press conference you know i mean look at those emotions they're huge emotions while. very cute but are. me. you know i don't know i mean i admit i'm i'm absolutely i'm a big music fan and this guy's always he got the hammering after the world cup was wasn't wasn't right don't say anything wrong no no i don't know i do see it's a very big discussion and it's about you know it's too hard i know how he feels from a certain perspective because i was born in canada and my family's italian my parents are in need are italian born and all my family's dein ok so i grew up with two hearts and as somebody who you know grew up like this i understand that he's german and he's t

and all of this but how he can you know he keeps changing the the rhetoric keeps changing and the goalposts keep changing well maybe it was collusion but now collusion isn't a crime in oh larry i don't know about you but to me it may not be listed separately as a crime in the law books but if a representative of this country is a colluding with a representative of another country to find dirt to undermine our democracy that's a crime in my book that is something i just can't tolerate and how you can stand up and try to defend that i just don't know by saying oh well it's not important because it really isn't a crime that's hairsplitting that i don't think does anyone any justice you want from design but you agree that it's unlikely so therefore do you want the democrats to take the house in november where they might impeach. well i'm not sure the they're going in for impeachment is going to be terribly helpful but i think to get a better balance it would serve us better as a country if we didn't have all three i mean the two branches both houses and the executive branch in the hands of one

what they have done is shifted the goalposts, they always do it.eologically, there is nothing in the koran to say they have face masking, and you and your listeners need to be aware that no woman going to mecca and the pilgrimage is allowed to wear a face mask. that is refuted as well. lord sheikh, a leading muslim peer, says he has been to mecca and the kaaba has seen women wearing these face coverings. with due respect, lord sheikh is an insurance broker and an unelected politician. it doesn't mean he can't go to mecca. of course he can, but he's not an expert in the field. if one of two women are covering their faces, that's fine. the hadith says you are not supposed to cover yourself. you don't even rely on the hadith. he is quoting the hadith. there's no point quoting it. you can't have your cake and eat it. i'm talking about the koran. let's get back to the women. theologically, they are defeated and then they talk about civil rights. that's defeated, because the european court of human rights and the national declaration of human rights and

what they have done is shift the goalposts, they always do it.in the koran, and you in your listeners need to be aware that no woman going to matter is allowed to wear a face mask. that is refuted as well. one source says he has been to mecca and has seen women wearing it. he is an unelected politician. if one of two women are covering theirface? if one of two women are covering their face? that's fine. if one of two women are covering theirface? that's fine. you're not supposed to cover yourself. you don't even rely on the hadith. you can't have your cake and eat it. i'm talking about the koran. this get back to the women. theologically, they are defeated and then they talk about civil rights. the european court of human rights and the national declaration of human rights and the un, facial masking is not pa rt and the un, facial masking is not part of human rights. individual choice. i have no issue if they are saying it's an choice but to strip it out of religious connotations. now they are saying it is free individual choice. that is the issu

they have been completely completely framed and set up and what they do is they keep changing the goalposts i've come up with a term that is really flouts saying public justice throughout the world and it's called rule of law and the british government to practice mis rule of law they have no legal reason what so ever to keep in there there's nothing sinister on that they can keep in there with they keep inventing a ruse just for the sake of keeping in there why this is all to do with america because i think britain would actually like to say to julian ok you can step outside the door we have nothing to arrest you for police you can go but if they do that then they've got the trouble of america want him extradited and they don't want to deal with that you know they don't want to say oh america you're our best friend but we don't want to extradite him do you mind no they don't want to do that they don't want to be in that position you know so i think that's what's going on and i'm going to get him out of there with this method of law i for the law means i for miss rule of law and not for the

remember, donald trump is regularly redefining the goalpost for almost everything so with jeff sessions -- i mean, jeff sessions' loyalty doesn't mean much to donald trump at this point. i think donald trump is likely to be surprised at david pecker and michael cohen. i don't think he should be because in both of those situations, we know with michael cohen the situation was hey, look, you're going to go to jail, do you want to go to jail for a long time or do you want to go to jail for a shorter time? what is your play here? it's not just a turning on donald trump. it's a self-interest and donald trump more than anyone else knows that self-interest is the prime motivator for everyone including michael cohen, david pecker, omarosa and donald trump. >> funny how the feds showing up at your door can change your long-held practices of friendship. >> your deeply-held beliefs. >> your deeply held beliefs of loyalty. that has a persuasive impact. >> that's what flipping is about. the reason why law enforcement has been so successful in using lower-level people to testify against higher ups is

insist that things he said a month ago he never said to keep moving the dates in the negotiation goalpost. what he gets out of this is not entirely clear expect for the fact they convinced a fair chunk of the population essentially that what robert mueller is doing is the equivalent of a political witch hunt, out there looking to trip up donald trump in any way possible and that robert mueller is inclined to find any wrongdoing wherever he can find it and it is not pertinent to anything that happened in the 2016 election. to a degree they have been successful. opinion of the mueller probe dropped among republicans and among viewers of fox news which is where rudy giuliani and trump fans do a majority of their cadence. >> sam, to your point tonight on fox he went after john brennon as opening up a new front. counselor, does any of this matter? does any of what rudy is saying immediately affect his client other than the ways we talk about on television? and how much of it is the staff of robert mueller paying attention to? >> my answer to that is none. i do not think they are paying attenti

ana, critics have pounced on this, suggesting that the president and his attorneys are moving the goalpost and despite calls for this investigation to wrap up, in the words of rudy giuliani last week, for robert mueller to put up or shut up, this investigation is moving forward. robert mueller is focused on securing an interview with one of the key figures in that trump meeting, emin agalarov, whose father is a russian oligarch with deep ties to vladimir putin. we understand according to sources that for over a year the special counsel has been talking to his attorneys, trying to secure an interview. it's unclear if that will actually happen. but that makes the argument, that makes the case that this investigation is moving forward whether the president and his attorneys like it or not, ana. >> an investigation that's already resulted in more than 30 people or entities being charged, five guilty pleas, another person on trial right now. boris sanchez in berkeley heights, new jersey, thank you. >>> the denials followed by the nondenials. it's been a constant changing narrative that have led

and i also understand that the union keeps moving the goalpost. is a little bit for everybody there. i'm going to vote for this today and put it in the hands of the board of supervisors where it needs to be, and once again, i want to thank you guys. you were great. rebecca, jade, mike, so many of you guys stepped up and did a lot of work for them. president brandon, this thing got off track and you got it back on track. and i want to thank my fellow commissioners. >> thank you. >> i have one clarifying question in terms of the national park service has increased in terms of the value of the size of the boat. and we heard from tom in terms of being concerned about the environment, and we also heard comment about is there any inherent bias through the existing concessionaire? i we have heard -- as we have heard in history in the past, that my understanding is cactus because the existing concessionaire has sized the boats, does not necessarily bias the transaction. because we had this concession and when hornblower took over -- actually they bought t

. >> but you are changing the goalpost. i celebrate netflix in the book that one of the tragedies is that we fell under the great reduction of free information. and that decimated the news and music industry how many books here are free? none. how many newspapers? how free is netflix? you have to pay for that so i celebrate the subscription models i see that as a positive development but now i am critical in some ways of the distribution of the profits but there is nothing in the book that undermines netflix so i celebrate those things so in terms of the business model i come back to the idea that we do not want to be completely transparent. when it comes to the issue of healthcare course you want algorithms but the real issue is what will be due in the digital 21st century with machines that drive cars they can be lawyers or doctors or engineers? and that value is empathy with communication and creativity? the final chapter focuses on education. we need to be taught how we need to focus on our strengths in terms of what co

some people said you're moving the goalpost. >> no, no, no. i said that from the very beginning. jeff, it's like an alternative argument, which is a little too subtle, i guess. he did not collude. there is no evidence he colluded. in the alternative, conclusion is not a crime. so if you wrote a brief, you'd say throw it out on the wall, no conclusion. if you don't want to throw it on the wall, throw it on the facts. >> do you think obstructing is a crime? >> of course it's a crime. >> you said the president -- >> under article 2 of the constitution, i'm not fog to tell you my opinion of it because i haven't gotten to the conclusion of researching it. under our conclusion if the president is acting within his capacity as president and he fires someone, that can't be questioned. now, is there a narrow area where you could question him? i don't know. we don't have to deal with that. he had legitimate reasons for firing comey. just look at the horowitz report about his investigation of hillary. look how he started the investigation. look how he ended the investigation of hillary, rat

want to romanticize anything about the bush years or the white house in which i served, but it's a goalpost for what was normal, what was normal was tension with the media. what is not normal is what went down in the briefing room today. >> and the rally in pennsylvania. there is no point at which the media is spoken to or treated as though they are members of -- and protected members of a fourth estate, a fourth branch of government. i feel like every single day the relationship further deteriorates and we're going to a place where i don't know that we can come back from this. >> annie, it's the right word, it is the responsibility of the white house to protect the press corps when they travel with them and advocate for their rights to be in pool sprays. is there concern that the white house is on a path to stop that? >> the incident in england where he couldn't call jim acosta from cnn, to do that on foreign soil is setting an example on the world stage. i was on that trip, and the reaction from the british press was jaws on floors, to see him treat the media that way abroad. so i do thin

housing authority had to go through a lot of goalposts passing through in order to get it here. they did it. now it's here or it can be here. public financing and private financing, it had to be launched. they had to be brought together. so london breed, when mayor ed lee announced the reimagining of public housing, got right on board. and she put her effort in and it was a positive effort to get this to happen here. and nancy pelosi, using her political influence -- which is formidable -- her political power and her savvy, made sure that it was launched and launched as a class act. when the building was scheduled to be renovated, tndc sent their promising manager, tom lauderbach and the architect chris duncan, to talk to the tenants. their question to us, what do you want? not once, not twice, four times. at least four times. we spoke. they'd come back and say well, we can do this. but we can't do that because of code. let's figure out something else. first time anybody asked us what the hell we wanted. [applause] and good for them. [applause] one of the things we advocated for

his ashes are spread at the ranch along with a memorial and the goalpost they brought in from candlestick park. he wasn't just the 49ers owner, he says dwight clark was like a brother to him. >> i don't think there was a person throughout his entire career that didn't like him. he had names for guys and, you know, he -- he was the type of person that made a really tough game fun. he and joe were like my two younger brothers. i mean, you know, there's only like ten years difference in age, and he was just a very special, special person. you don't meet a lot of these people in your lifetime, especially in the business that i was in. >> they're expecting more than 400 people at fwras cathedral tomorrow in the city, including joe montana, who eddie d was referring to, jerry rice, ronnie lot, hughey lewis, leader nancy pelosi and former mayor willie brown. we are also working on a tribute to dwight clark, a documentary that will debut october 21st after the 49ers play the rams. we should mention the preseason begins this thursday night on nbc bay area. it is the bears and ravens in the hall of

that things that he said a month ago he never said to keep moving the dates and the negotiation goalpost, and when he gets out of this is not entirely clear except for the fact that they have convinced a fair chunk of the population essentially that what robert mueller is doing is the equivalent of a political witch hunt. here is out there to trip donald trump up in any fashion, any way po possible, and that robert mueller is just inclined to find any wrongdoing wherever he can find it, and it is not pertinent to anything that happened in the 2016 election. i will say this to a certain degree, they have been successful. the polling shows that opinion of the mueller probe has dropped precipitously among the republicans, but most explicitly among the viewers of fox news which is where giuliani and the trump fans do their news watching. but it is not entirely unsuccessful. >> and tonight, he went after john brennan the steele dossier as opening up a new front. counselor, does any of this matter? does any of what rudy is saying immediately affect his client other than the ways we talk about

one concern is whether you all were moving the goalpost a bit you had a $1 billion target that was out there, and we had been talking about that as the run rate metric for fiscal '21 now talking about it for '22 walk us on what's going on. >> we have always talked about the full year of fiscal '22 being the first full year over a billion dollars in revenue we previously talked about the moment we surpass the run rate, hit the run rate of a billion in revenue, which wouldn't be a full year of revenue at a billion, which was the earlier milestone. what we wanted to do is give a solution sales strategy, add on strategy, big deal growth metrics, didn't want to pinpoint the specific quarter we plan t hit that billion dollar run rate, however, we did commit to and recommit to being able to achieve over a billion in revenue in fy '22 which is what we previously talked about. >> why can't you be more precise for people looking, they want to know when you hit that my question is, is that because you made changes, you referenced the sales force. is that causing delays you didn't initially see co

. >> they have been so willing to move the goalpost every single time with this president. don't think today change is much unfortunately. i'm sure we will hear what he has to say about this at his rally. but fox news is talking about a girl in iowa and not this. >> tucker: a girl in iowa. when you pay tuition, that's who gets it. later she apologized in the least sincere way possible. on twitter she used her brief celebrity to whine about discriminatory immigration policy. where was we think the only person to even mention mollie tibbetts all day on nbc. cnn was barely better. the prime time lineup ignored it completely. that's not surprising because for msnbc and cnn and the people on whose behalf they speak, tibbetts' entire existence is inconvenient. as a native born american she was problematic because she might not work for the low wages they prefer to pay. if her vote would not be politically reliable and now at the victim of a murder, she is a problem because she exposed the lie they forced on us over and over, the lie that every illegal immigrant to america is supe

he is going to move the goalpost, change objectives, sort of play to the cable television networks and sort of influence how people think about mueller. and we have seen at least some slippage in the poll numbers of people who believe that mueller's doing a good job and that he is impartial. he is not trying this case in the courtroom. that's never been his task. he is someone the president has sent throughout to mix it up on television, to get his message out there and to muddy the waters. and that's what he is doing. it changes on a daily basis. this is a new scenario here. it defies the versions we've heard time and time again, but to them it doesn't matter. it is just noise and they're happy to put out the noise. >> congresswoman, if you don't count my failed for president, you've been on the ballot with any regularity. i want to show you some polling numbers. these are new from our friends at cnn tonight. this is how is mueller handling the investigation is the first category. 47%, 39% above water approve if you're rooting for the mueller team. has donald trump attempted to interf

you kept moving the goalposts. a whole different set of rules for me than you have for you. don't think that is fair. >> cuomo: i released them for 20 years. i released my taxes for 20 years. will you? i didn't think so. >> nixon: why don't i release them for 50 years? >> cuomo: those were my rules. >> nixon: release your taxes after the election. >> cuomo: for 20 years, not in 3 hours. >> host: you see different me on this one. >> nixon: we do like so many things. >> host: the legislature passed a bill requiring employers to give workers up to 12 weeks of paid bereavement leave after the death of a family member. the upstate senator who sponsored lost a son and said no one should have to fear losing their job if they need time to mourn. small business owners say this would cripple them. will you sign this? >> cuomo: it is a bill we are looking at. it is consistent with our paid family leave bill which is the most aggressive paid family leave bill in the united states of america, gives up to 12 weeks of paid family leave for just this type of situation. how the bereavement b

>> they have changed the goalpost. first it was collusion. then it was obstructs.ign finance. it is ridiculous. the people do not care about this. liz: watch this panel reaction on msnbc when a liberal guest predicted a trump victory in 2020, watch. >> give you last word. going to serve out his full term. >> i think he wins in to 20. >> what? >> i think, i think our country is in very bad situation. >> we're in a bad state. >> on that frightening note. liz: frightening note. we try to report the news on policy and what is going out there in the economy and markets. all levels of policy. what is happening here with the liberal media when they do panels like that. what is going on over there. >> they're blinded by trump derangement syndrome. the reason why their guest predicted a 2020 re-election because of events like today. today president trump kept another promise to the american people and is renegotiating nafta with or without the participants involved. this is a big win for working class americans in this country. it is something the president committed himsel

despite the number of times donald trump keeps trying to move the goalpost as to what his interviewing terms are, bob mueller and the team seem willing to try to accommodate him so he has an opportunity to go under oath. >> i am going to paraphrase karl bernstein talking about how this is potentially worse than watergate. back then the system worked. it held. i bring that up because i want to get your reaction to what we saw in the white house press briefing room this week. five members of the president's national security staff saying in a unified voice there are real threats to elections. a few hours later you saw the president totally turn that upside down, not acknowledge the fact there is a threat. what does that say to you about the integrity of the system of government in this country today? >> we have patriots like fbi director wrong-w director wray and rod rosenstein working on our our behalf. i am worried if the driver does not listen to what all the other passengers in the vehicle are saying, we could still go off a cliff. the president will not accept what his intelligence

i think the longer this goes on, the more that giuliani and the legal team moves the goalpost sort of making it almost impossible for mueller to finally to agree to this. as much as the special counsel does want this interview. as bob just said that. they need to be able to identify, they need to figure out the intent, what was behind the prrnths the actions when he moved whether it was comey or flynn and so on. but at some point they're going to have to make a decision, if he is not going to sit down, then we have to think about the subpoena. i think at this point, giuliani and others, they're trying to run out the clock here. they know that mueller is trying not to wade into the mid terms. that if he doesn't do it then, he tables it as of labor day and revisits in november or december, even though, of course, we did see jim comey open up a federal investigation that absolutely mattered to an election just about ten days before voters went to the ballot box. >> more on that in a moment. barb, i watched giuliani with sean on fox tonight. it was interesting. at a certain point, giulian

let me be very clear -- >> isn't that moving the goalpost. >> go ahead. >> you're not letting me make. >> all yours. >> the president doesn't break the law if, as a candidate, he contributes to his own campaign. if he gave $1 million to two women as hush money, there would be in crime. if he directed his lawyer to do it, and he would compensate the lawyer, he's committed no crime. the only crime is if a third-party, namely, cohen, on his own, contributed to a campaign, that would be a campaign contribution. it is a catch-22 for the prosecution. if they claim that the president authorized him to do it or directed him to do it, it is not a crime for anybody. if cohen did it on his own, then it is a crime for cohen but not the president. this is going to be a very difficult case for the prosecution to make, precisely because the law on election are so convoluted. >> lanny davis is making the opposite argument. we have to leave it there at the moment. thank you for coming on. come back so we can continue what is always a feisty conversation. appreciate it. >> sure. >>> what did the presid