god created a man and a woman.erfect place to live, a garden called edepp. >> well, the garden is depicted as an orchard. god gives them a wonderful orchard. tells them they can eat all the fruit they want. >> they live in peace with animals and it's an image of completion, wholeness. >> when we imagine the garden of eden, most of us think of a paradise like this, the ultimate shangri-la. better than anything we can find on earth. but what does the bible actually say about where it all began? >> the biblical descriptions is actually very short. there are four river, tigris and euphrates are two of them. then the other two are actually kind of unknown. that's the problem. if you can figure out where all four rivers are, then you've got the location. >> and it is the tantalizing mention of these two remaining rivers that has fueled a never ending search for the garden of eden. for centuries, people have looked everywhere from the depths of the persian gulf to rural missouri and even the planet mars. >> i have a probl

don't pick me, god. how many of us -- you know, if some finger came out of the sky and said you, we would say no, not me, not me. >> but it turns out there was another figure in ancient egypt who didn't hesitate to give everything up to follow the path of who he believed was the one and only true god. far away from the ancient royal capitals of luxor, archaeologists have discovered the remains of the lost city of amanah. >> quite a deserty space. >> the pharaoh that built this city's revolutionary ideas about just one god shook ancient egypt to its core. >> how are you? >> what does your name mean? >> it's a classic arabic name meaning the story teller. >> she says that when he gave up the comfort of his palaces along the fertile nile delta and moved to this desolate place, it was an act of devotion to his one god. why did he come here? what kind of an outlier was he? >> the idea was to find a place that was never used by any other gods. to be virgin, as he called it. so he chose this place. >> at first

>> no. >> does god speak to you? >> yes, god speaks to me. who has relationship with him. but i reserve the word "prophet" -- i use that very, very sparingly because that means old testament stature. that's pretty intense. >> reporter: so for now bickle and the ihop faithful continue to spread the gospel. every minute of every hour of every day. while they wait. >> will i see it in my lifetime? i don't know. i don't even care really. i just want to do my part in my generation. but i might. >> reporter: but they are a controversial ministry, both at home and abroad, and critics say they prey on vulnerable people with words that were never intended to be used in this way. but at the very least they are living proof that the words of the prophets themselves remain as controversial as they were in their own day. >> "back to the beginning with christiane amanpour" will return. >>> thank you for joining us. we set off on our adventure to discover whether the biblical stories could bring us together, could unite and heal instead of just divide and h

god is testing him.lly intend for him to kill his son. >> at a time when offering human sacrifice was common, this story was a call to end that barbaric practice. still, here and in so many places around the world, so many thousands of years later, the sacrifice of sons and daughters in the name of god and faith goes on and tragically on. ♪ >> god may have been demanding total submission, but he also decided in the end that a human life has more value than blind obedience. >> in the end, of course, ishmael lived, isaac lived. >> taking this journey with my own son brought these stories to life in the most profound and visceral way. it was a reminder of how personal the stories of our ancient religious texts can feel and why they can remain so powerful even to this day. >>> coming up, from the holy land to america's heartland. so why are we headed for branson, missouri? and what can we uncover there about the spectacular story of joseph? the answer when "back to the beginning with christiane amanpour" ret

don't pick me, god. how many of us have -- you know, if some finger came out of the sky and said you, we would say no, not me, not me. >> reporter: but it turns out there was another figure in ancient egypt who didn't hesitate to give everything up to follow the path of who he believed was the one and only true god. far away from the ancient royal capitals of luxor and karnak, archaeologists have discovered the remains of the lost city of amana. >> deserty space. but akhenaten seems to think it was great. >> reporter: akhenaten was the pharaoh who built this city and his revolutionary ideas about just one god shook ancient egypt to its core. >> how are you? i'm christiane. >> i'm rahwiya. >> that's a nice name. what does it mean? >> it's a classic arabic name. it means storyteller. >> that's anent name for us. >> an egyptologist from cairo who spent years studying the ruins of amana. she says when akhenaten gave up the comfort of his palaces along the fertile nile delta and moved to this desolate place i

god is testing him.really intend for him to kill his son. >> at a time when offering human sacrifice was common, this story was a call to end that barbaric practice. still, here and in so many places around the world, so many thousands of years later, the sacrifice of sons and daughters in the name of god and faith goes on and tragically on. ♪ >> god may have been demanding total submission, but he also decided in the end that a human life has more value than blind obedience. >> in the end, of course, ishmael lived, isaac lived. >> taking this journey with my own son darius brought these stories to life in the most profound and visceral way. it was a reminder of how personal the stories of our ancient religious texts can feel and why they remain so powerful even to this day. >>> coming up, from the holy land to america's heartland. so why are we headed to branson, missouri? and what do we uncover there about the spectacular story of joseph? the answer when "back to the beginning with christiane amanpour"

they were proclaiming a son of god, a god from god, a savior.appened to be titles that the roman emperor abrogated to himself. >> for the next few years, paul would languish in prison, surviving assassination attempts and brutal interrogations. finally, his appeals to be tried in rome were answered. >> paul is a citizen of the roman empire, and that provides certain protections for him. they include the right to a trial, the right to not be whipped or beaten without a trial, the right to appeal to caesar, and a protection against crucifixion. >> the trip from jerusalem almost killed paul when he was shipwrecked in a storm. finally, in the year 60 a.d., paul reached rome in chains. just in time for rome's first official persecution of christians at the hands of the emperor, nero. in the year 64 a.d., when a fire destroyed much of imperial rome, nero famously fiddled while the city burned. but he had his reasons for letting the fire burn. he wanted to clear out space for grand new buildings. >> the christians living in the south of the city are im

don't pick me, god. how many of us -- you know, if some finger came out of the sky and said you, we would say no, not me, not me. >> but it turns out there was another figure in ancient egypt who didn't hesitate to give everything up to follow the path of who he believed was the one and only true god. far away from the ancient royal capitals of luxor, archaeolog t archaeologists have discovered the remains of the lost city of amanah. >> quite a deserty space. >> the pharaoh that built this city's revolutionary ideas about just one god shook ancient egypt to its core. >> how are you? >> what does your name mean? >> it's a classic arabic name meaning the story teller. >> she says that when he gave up the comfort of his palaces along the fertile nile delta and moved to this desolate place, it was an act of devotion to his one god. why did he come here? what kind of an outlier was he? >> the idea was to find a place that was never used by any other gods. to be virgin, as he called it. so he chose this place.

>> well, i don't get to change what god says is right and what god says is wrong. think god is real clear that all sex outside of marriage is wrong. but the issue here is the issue of respect. while i may disagree with you on your views on sexuality, it does not give me a right to demean you, to demoralize you, defame you, to turn you into a demon, see, tolerance, piers, used to mean we treat each other with mutual respect, even if we have major disagreements. today tolerance is changed to mean all ideas are equally valid. well, that's nonsense. all ideas are not equally valid. you can say the moon is made of cheese, and i can say the moon is made of beans. >> but do you agree with equality for all in your heart and i think i took issue with you before and i will again. how can you really as a christian man, a great man, how can you espouse genuine equality if you don't allow gay people the same rights as straight people get married? >> i would like to reposition it this way. i'm more against the redefinition of the term marriage than anything else. i don't think o

god is testing him.doesn't really intend for him to kill his son. >> at a time when offering human sacrifice was common, this story was a call to end that barbaric practice. still, here and in so many places around the world, so many thousands of years later, the sacrifice of sons and daughters in the name of god and faith goes on and tragically on. ♪ god may have been demanding total submission, but he also decided in the end that a human life has more value than blind obedience. >> and in the end, of course, ismael lives. isaac lives. >> and taking this journey with my own son dareus brought these stories to life in the most profound and visceral way. >> beautiful, right? >> yeah, it's crazy. >> it was a reminder of how personal the stories of our ancient religious text can feel and why they remain so powerful etch to this day. >>> coming up, from the holy land to america's heartland, why are we headed to branson, missouri? and what can we uncover there about the spectacular story of joseph? the answer

the jews saw themselves as a unique people with one god, one god alone, and this one god of this one special people had one temple. and that's a very powerful idea, reflecting-- accurately, i think-- the historical truth that the temple was a very powerful unifying source within the jewish community. this was the one, most sacred place on earth, the one place on earth where the earth rises up and the heavens somehow descend just enough that they just touch. this was the only one place on the entire earth where this was so. >> the temple in jerusalem was the symbolic heart of the country. jews everywhere, if they chose to, if they were pious, would put aside part of their income-- it's sort of like, oh, the way christmas clubs operate now-- you'd put aside money explicitly to be spent having a party in jerusalem. >> narrator: although the temple was the centerpiece of jewish life and worship, judaism was not a state religion. >> there's no such thing as a state church. it's not a monolithic religious or cultural entity at this time. indeed, what we're seeing more and more through the

you know god if he had talent i think god for everything. you know i the thing is you know. whether you get to go in or not whether whether there's good or something after this life i like that thought because if you're not accountable for your actions down here who keeps me from killing you just to have your shoes and i mean there's i mean we could talk all day about what exists or what doesn't exist but if there's no accountability that's why if you want to shift this from god and religion to the internet the internet is a blessing it's the future is so bright but not being accountable being totally anonymous in your actions and your voice i think that's dangerous before we get to some social media questions you do not have a twitter account trisha has one right why don't you tweet i'm not there yet and i went back i don't write so it's back to you know what everything's about quality much better something to say and fans like to hear if somebody like you asked me i'll answer them but i don't i'm not a big i don't i don't do things i got one up at a grocery store i think t

my god. >> inside the store, jim and the other gas station employees hear the impact and laura's cries for help. >> i just heard her yell, oh, my god, he's pinned. >> jim leaps into action, but the scene outside is even more dire than he can imagine. the gas pump bursts into flames with alex trapped underneath. the fire fueled by leaking gasoline. >> and when the fire hit, knowing there was a man there, the first thing i thought of was getting that fire extinguisher. >> and when i came out, laura was headed back toward the door with the fire extinguisher and she couldn't get the pin out and handed it off to me, and the fire was starting to come up so i jumped on top of the fire and tried to knock it down the best i could to get the guy out from underneath it. i used up almost all the fire extinguisher and then put it underneath the pump and blasted him with it. >> following emergency procedure, another sales clerk, kelly chapman, shuts down the power and as captured by the station's surveilla

a troubling picture of a violent god. but others draw a sense of mission from the very same story. a few days after we visited jericho, our team was invited to the graduation ceremony for jonathan fredeland and elite unit of his cadets. >> just like joshua and his troops came to israel and had their battles here and were able to live here, i'm just continuing it just like my brother did it and my father did it and my grandfather did it. it goes back all the way to the bible days. >> they had marched 175 kilometers overnight. a journey that ended here in the disputed golan heights along the syrian border. the cadets' families joined them for the final stretch. >> joshua used a sword to conquer from jericho. nobody picked up their bags and said, dear joshua, god promised you. here it is. >> historians trying to piece together the truth think the meaning of the story is less clear cut. >> one of the problems we've got is that it's very difficult to tell an israelite from a canaanite. >> they think dna testing will show that

right there is how do you believe in god. at all when you see scientific back and hurricanes katrina holocausts how do you believe when you see in human heart is not a person god is infinite fee's of a lot of really wouldn't believe it ok you know when you believe in what is it to believe in our side down as a god be good to be and he kills is an infinite mind it contains everything the divine and the diabolical the sinner and the thing forbidden lust and unconditional love they're all different aspects of the one mind red sox and yankees fans where you make the rules that society has a rules don't you think i think for society to operate they have to be rules but these rules actually derive from what is called platonic truth so the religious experience was always one of inseparability and that's where the golden rule comes from do unto others as you would have them do unto you because the other is an aspect of yourself. your opinion very little because the trouble right now because we had not had but. psychologically and spi

god told me to do this. god told me to do that. and we accepted that. >> god speaks to me. have a message to present. >> to outsiders, koresh soon transformed the davidian church into a cult. >> the most important element of the cult is the leader. and they are always described the same way as being charismatic. >> i mean, there are some things that god has concealed in his written word that are to be brought to do right before the end of time. >> koresh preached end of days philosophy to his followers, a belief that was centered around an apock liptic battle between evil armies led by a messianic leader who was the second coming. >> his role was to open the seven seals that are mentioned in the book of revelation. >> in revelation the seven seals represent the apocalypse. the biblical end of days. in the bible, only the lamb of god can open the seals. koresh preached that he had that power. by january 1992, disturbing rumors about the self-styled prophet had surfaced. the local newspaper, "the waco tribune herald" began to investigate koresh and his hold over the davidians

today on larry king it's god's rope's great public to thank you that's what airbrush will do for you what other field other than music particularly country music could you get away with saying hey look i'm having children and i want to just be with them for fourteen years and they say we'll be here when you get back plus i don't know if you know so not but i don't have these talks with everybody you're one of the rare ones that's all ahead on larry king now. larry king now for over a c.b.s. studios in the valley in california our special guest is god brooks he is the biggest selling country artist in history and he has a new get this eight does box set out called blame it on my roots it's being released as a wal-mart exclusive you've called this the soundtrack of your life explain that it's all the music i grew up on being the last to six kids mom and dad started the family early so there was never really a generation gap so music just poured into our house from probably three decades before me in two decades to me so there's easily five decades of influence in there so it's not just

>> no. >> does god speak to you? >> yes, god speaks to me. speaks to everybody who has relationship with him. but i reserve the word "prophet" -- i use that very, very sparingly because that means old testament stature. that's pretty intense. >> reporter: so for now bicle and the ihop faithful continue to spread the gospel. every minute of every hour of every day. while they wait. >> will i see it in my lifetime? i don't know. i don't even care really. i just want to do my part in my generation. but i might. >> reporter: but they are a controversial ministry, both at home and abroad, and critics say they prey on vulnerable people with words that were never intended to be used in this way. but at the very least they are living proof that the words of the prophets themselves remain as controversial as they were in their own day. >> "back to the beginning with christiane amanpour" will return. to help you avoid surprises with your credit. good. i hate surprises. surprise! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card and see yo

that is the demand that god is making on us-- not us on god so much as god on us-- to do something about the evil in the world. >> narrator: we don't know to what extent jesus remained faithful to john's apocalyptic message, but at some point after his baptism by john, jesus seems to have embarked on his career as a preacher. >> ( dramatized ): jesus went throughout galilee, teaching in the synagogues and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and curing every disease and every sickness among the people. >> jesus' career apparently was centered mostly in the towns and villages and a few small cities in the area of the galilee, his home region. >> jesus' ministry in the galilee is rather complicated, but i think we can begin to get the real better understanding of it through archaeology and through higher literary studies of the gospels today. those villages there were absolutely essential to his ministry. he's avoiding the big towns, or cities, probably because the elements who run those cities are of such a high class that they're probably not interested in jesus' message. >> narrato

a troubling picture of a violent god. but others draw a sense of mission from the very same story. a few days after we visited jericho, our team was invited to the graduation ceremony for jonathan fredeland and his cadets. >> just like joshua and his troops came to israel and had their battles here and were able to live here, i'm just continuing it just like my brother did it and my father did it and my grandfather did it. it goes back all the way to the bible days. >> they had marched 175 kilometers overnight. a journey that ended here in the disputed golan heights along the syrian border. the cadets' families joined them for the final stretch. >> joshua used a sword to conquer from jericho. nobody picked up their bags and said, dear, joshua, god promised you. here it is. >> historians trying to piece together the truth think the meaning of the story is less clear cut. >> one of the problems we've got is that it's very difficult to tell an israelite from a kanenite. >> they think dna testing will show that they might go

maybe god's closing a door. keep moving forward, you have that sense of peace and trust that somebody's watching out for you. >> let's go through the five things. believing bigger. you're not talking about wanting a bigger car or bigger house. >> no, it's just not getting stuck in life. so many people get stuck and think well, my marriage's not very good, but it's all right. i can't go any higher because of my education. we put these limitations on ourselves. i didn't think i could get up and minister. my dad died and i felt like i was supposed to do it. but i had this in me i didn't know i had. i encourage people to take the limits off yourself. >> you jumped at the podium and started going. >> yeah. i started going. i knew i was supposed to do it. and here we are today. if i didn't have faith in my life, i wouldn't be here today. i really believe that. i don't know how some people survive life without that anchor. even when i'm not paying as much attention to that as i should, i know it's always there. does th

it's something god did. if you ever, piers, see a turtle on a fence post, you'll know that turtle did not get there by himself and my father always felt he was somewhat of a turtle on a fence post. he realizes that god put him in that position that he had all those years. >> i've been spending the week talking to my sons about mandela, explaining why his legacy is so important. i would inmag gin if they ask me questions about your father, what would you think would be the best way to articulate what his legacy should be? >> my father has preached the same message and that's god's gospel, that god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that so believe in him should not parish. my father took this message of god's love to the world. he never changed that message. he never got off message. he kept to the -- and it's god's message. the gospel. it's the good news that god loves sinners and piers, i'm a sinner and the fact that god loves me in spite of my sin, but i had to repint of my sin to tell g

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she was going to be the mother of god's son. we know about this woman who would change the course of history? >> we don't know very much about mary. we get little tantalizing snapshots. and from those tantalizing snapshots, she appears to be a lively, intelligent, but basically down-to-earth woman. >> and maybe not a woman at all when she bore jesus, but a girl with a remarkable life ahead of her. >> mary was very young when she became pregnant with jesus. she was probably just in her mid-teens. which meant that by the time jesus was doing his public ministry, maybe she was 45. >> joseph, jesus' earthly father, is perhaps the most mysterious figure of all. by the time jesus has begun his public ministry, joseph has vanished from the story. that has led to speculation that joseph, a carpenter by trade, was many years older than mary. life in the nazareth of jesus' day was hard. today, a group of biblical scholars and archaeologists have built nazareth village to give a better sense of just what daily life in the nazareth of jesus

on the country and providing training for the of god not on he added police force. the staff has visited troops nothing in the country every christmas since taking office in two cars and dead british combat false sense of duty vocalist on india. as fodder to test routes and times of a national army. the nikkei to that seat in the house in trading a large number of cadets from the country fifty two cadets will fall the second largest batch of councillors has completed the training and graduated from the indian military academy are eyeing me understand before tea. let's take a look. he was nice but senior officers into the new wood and sixteen. can you beat the nineteen seventy four and nineteen eighty two neil and the accompanying idea sites and today. these officers into work and share content based on that now govern. ghazni province and the aberdeen stop the government of the south why shouldn't the camp though i admit but reading god is up hiking in the day's end of this. it echoed in it and i said additional bids in indiana on the sun is via a friend in addition

they don't talk to god and i can't really talk to god.ut you study and by immersing yourself in the study and you get this somehow. also in the benedictine order, spending hours in what they called the divine study were you immersed yourself in a text and prayer. i suppose that is my form of spirituality. i can't see any one of the major world religions i've been studying until now that is any better than any of the others. i don't see any of them as superior and each one of them has its own particular genus and its own particular take on what we call the sacred and the good life and each has its own particular failings because these are human institutions as well as sacred ones. and so at the moment it is not -- it's an unorthodox position. but i get nourishment from my study. >> what is the most frequent questions people ask you? >> where are you now. and they asked me about death a lot. like what do you think, what do you think about the afterlife and i'm very conscious about this. so many people i know who have died and seemed to be h

may god bless africa, may god bless the south african government, may god bless the human race.pirit of nelson mandela. [speaking in native tongue] >> all powers! thank you. .. [speaking in native tongue] >> now i want to show the world we can come out yet to celebrate the life of an extraordinary icon and. we want to say thank you etna. and that we asked businesses, and so want to hear a pin drop. >> david winnick eight >> [speaking in native tongue] >> we thank you and we promise you, we promise you. we promised god that we are going to follow the example of nelson mandela. [applause] [speaking in native tongue] [speaking in native tongue] [speaking in native tongue] >> amen. polk a. thank you very much. that brings us to an end of the memorial service. we thank everyone and we wish everyone a wonderful journey. thank you for those that have come from the various lands overseas for coming to south africa to help us honor nelson mandela and we thank each and every one of view. farewell, we barry nelson mandela on sunday. thank you so much for this support you have given to our

ok let's work for the glory of god. while the skilled workers cuts and replace the volunteers keep supplies coming and clean up the mess it's a massive job the cathedral is seventy six meters high and in some areas they're having to remove more than one hundred twenty years of to it. when i came here last year it was seen approximately the same condition. here it's a long process this is serious work it's very expensive and requires a high degree of professionalism. but i was surprised when they invited volunteers to work here at best there are trusted with work like this. is it enough or do we need more than the one if i think it's enough. you'll have to carry it let's go. is it heavy. i'll take it. to go somewhere and assegais and i are responsible for getting it off the scaffolding as quickly as possible we need to take the direct route. and probably a transport system but it would. be for forty years it had no proper roof it wasn't looked after properly and still it enjoyed all these conditions means that the cathed

there was no saving it. >> oh, my god. oh, my god.run up to the jeep to almost to like stop it. there was a part that's going through your head that's going this is not happening. even though you've just watched it play out in front of you. jesus! when it hit the bottom, it just made this huge thunk, and then there was nothing. >> when we landed, me and my little brother, we bumped heads or something. and on the side of my head, it just hurt like really bad. >> mike's father who'd been in the car in front of them, is the first one there. >> he came running up and pulled the passenger door on the back up, and that's when you could hear my youngest screaming, grandpa, get me out, grandpa, get me out. >> oh, my god! >> my heart stopped, and then i hear my oldest one going, i cannot get out. and i don't hear anything from mike. >> inside the vehicle, 12-year-old garen sees his rescuer appear. >> i finally heard the door creep open, and my little brother getting out and my grandpa putting his hand on my shoulder going, garen, are you okay?

he was first depicted as a god. then jesus has been reimagined by every generation and movies have never tired of portraying him. from jesus christ superstar to the jesus of montreal to the smiling christ of the film cote dogma." >> jesus is not as far as i can tell historically, the blond, blue-eyed version or even jeffrey hunter from the movies. >> i think they would have liked very much like the term we know by the term himmies. >> now we may be able to literally put some flesh on the bones of centuries of guessing. that's what the noted medical and forensic artist did when biblical scholars gave him a copy of the skull from the first century found in present day israel. they wanted to get an idea of what a man of jesus' time and place might have looked like. >> it is a strong skull. and to live satisfactory, especially the kind of life jesus led, you'll have to be a fairly tough, rugged kind of fella. he walked miles. he carried his staff. he could carry his cross. that takes a lot of physical strength and deter

or gods or god escaladed can speak to people and the impact of that. and allow thement to understand they are living in the end times in a way that most americans don't accept. well, that by itself doesn't seem to be a problem. but when it leads to other elements, then that triggier about law enforcement concern as well as the popular prez is concerned. then suddenly this idea somebody listening to god and having the followers do thing that seem to be national norms that's dangerous. and that needs to be policed and controlled then the sense of fear really just kind of is amplified. and so that way i think that is a secular expectations that, okay, people have their religion and what they do in their home, morveg, temple, fine. it should not interfere with public life. who makes a consult. and in the book they turned tout have antisocial behaviors and gun run and stuff like that. but i felt like in the chapter you were really -- and in the book but in the chapter you were directly sort of saying, you know, questioning the characterization of what makes

god bless you. [cheers and applause] >> thanks, robert.ality can be devastating. up next, two men are completely changing that. >> yeah, and craig morgan is back with a special thank you to the troops who cannot be home this christmas. >> hey i'm shepard smith on the fox news deck from all of us from shepard news reporting and breaking news team merry christmas and happy new year. here is hoping the news doesn't break out so we have to break in because these people want to open presents and eggnog. hope you are enjoying your family merry christmas and happy new year from all of úp@@xcçx÷ . >>> a california judge ruling a brain dead teen can be taken off life support. the 13-year-old was bleeding profusely and went into cardiac arrest after aof aafter a tonsillectomy. the judge is giving the family up december 30 to file an appeal. she will remain on life support until then. this hour i'm kelly wright. back to "fox & friends" christmas. ♪ ♪ >> welcome back and merry christmas, we are so glad that you you can join us. >> indeed. you know, as

if i choose to sin, god didn't make me do that. god didn't cause matthew to take his life. took his life. everybody is in a crisis whether it's a tornado or hurricane or shooting or anything. we are either going to run to god or run away from god. probably about half as many do either. i found that running away doesn't bring comfort. when we look for explanations in the tragedies, we never find them. you have to say a year later, are you over it? you never get over it. i cried every day since matthew died. every day of my life. that is not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength and a sign of love and a sign that i care. the death of my son made me more sensitive and more compassionate. i can tear up pretty easily when i hear about someone else going through something. my heart goes out to these people. >> it has been a few months since we sat down with you and your wife, kay. extraordinary reaction that touched a nerve. to have somebody whose job on a daily basis is comforting everybody else to suddenly have this awful tragedy of the suicide of your son pick you as a f

is it a word of god that god has already spoken nor can god continue to. i don't know if we are any different today in terms of our willingness to hear people who tend to be profits are here from god in some different way. >> guest: yeah in some ways what might be different is the secular norms instead of theological norms that govern our acceptance or rejection of the ways in which a god or gods, a goddess can speak to people in one impact that has. for instance the branch davidians so you have david koresh was saying he has special insight into the bible and these insights help the other members of the community understand the bible and the book of revelation better and they are living in end times in the way that most don't accept. that i itself doesn't seem to be a problem but when it leads to other elements, then that trigger of the law enforcement is concerned as well as the popular press is concerned, then suddenly this idea of somebody listening to god and having his followers do things that seem to be aberrant to national norms, that's dangerous a

me to show them -- this is what god wants them to see. them to see love and forgiveness is real, even if they have done this to my husband and i want them to see this and to know this. >> you really feel that in your heart? you don't feel anger? you don't feel hatred toward them? sorry i keep bringing this up, but i think it's an extraordinary thing to be able to feel that. >> i just envision the black jeep driving up to him, and i don't know their faces. i just want them to know that god loves them and can forgive them for this, and i don't know them, but i just -- yeah, that's how i honestly feel. it may sound crazy, but -- it's god's spirit putting it inside me. >> it doesn't sound crazy. it sounds like you're a remarkable person to feel this. what will you tell your child when your child grows up about what your husband was doing there, about what their father was doing there? >> we want jose our son to know that we love him so much, and ronnie loved him so much, and what ronnie and i would want as parents for jose is that god loves h