recidivism rate you would give a number that was heard and i would say is that the number people goinga back to jailt or juste reoffending? you would start to tha drop offd ha not know, but a lotve ofn we researchers don't know the answer either. we don't have good data, so eves when we talk about programs that work, what we need to do is for assess the programs. i am all for them investing in programsth and education is a go example, but i want this measured and if it works sort oi spread elsewhere in the countryu >> the answers we need morele. data. >> yes. >> in the front table here on cn the microphone is coming fromht behind to. >> good evening.ening. name is elizabeth charity andriy the ceo of reentry services. i was in the corporate world and then what i did was i lost my job. i started a volunteer in the juvenile justice system, the juvenile detention center andwhs while i was there i volunteer for-- it had been for about 20ae years and what i did was rotate grant and gave it two-- submitted to george allen and i started a 12 week job readiness program, but during the time what