. >> for all of human history the wealthiest person in the world owned land, goldk oil. sometimes they have got that land by being military generals but being wealthy was the natural resources. for the last hundred years starting with rockefeller and ending with the sul tan bruni in 1996, the wealthiest person has always been associatedded with oil. then in 1997 it is bill gates. he doesn't own any land, any gold, any oil. he has no buildings. he has no equipment. >> rose: a monopoly on a operating system. >> he has a monopoly on a knowledge system, right. and so-- . >> the idea of a different kind of order, i think, allowed us, me anyway, to think in a different way. to represent in one way, to give you that seemlessness, i thinkment and the connection between the interior, extension drk dsh exterior becomes seems. so the idea you are bringing an urban life into the interior of civic buildings. >> rose: has this profession for you been worth the struggle? >> i think so. >> rose: you think so. >> yeah, no, it is not finished. >> rose: i know but you have. >> i enjoy doin