the ceo at goldman. and that relationship continued after you left. you would have known that these people were -- that goldman was exposed here with these credit default swaps when the money went from the taxpayer to aig and through to your former company. and i guess the question that everybody has here is, why when you insisted on bear stearns taking a big haircut, why did you allow goldman to be reimbur reimbursed, your former company, at 100 cents on a dollar in that situation? why did you not weigh in on behalf of the taxpayer? >> as i've said on a number of occasions i did not know -- i had no knowledge of the size of the claim of any bank and i had no involvement in a decision to make payments to the counterparties. none whatsoever. i was very supportive of the rescue of aig because a failure of that company would have been disastrous. >> especially to goldman sachs. >> the gentleman's time has expired. >> it would have been disastrous to the american people. >> the gentleman's time has expired.

, your extensive personal network of associations within goldman which extended to several goldman alumnithat you can say you didn't have any knowledge. by implication, no influence over the travns action? i don't understand that. >> well, i can -- can't be any clearer. i had -- i assumed that goldman sachs knew that goldman sachs, and i assumed most other were counterparties. i had no knowledge what the individual claims were and that was my concern here was not about counterparty claims when we rescued aig. my concern was about what was going to happen to the american economy and the american people. and, again, you need to understand when we worked together fed and treasury, we had different authorities, different responsibilities and there was so much going on that we -- we had a lot to do and they had the authority and responsibility for dealing with the loan and -- >> the thing i have trouble with, though, is that the government gave goldman sachs, your former firm, a better deal than it had a right to respect. you heard the previous testimony here. i just -- it's mystifying how you

>> he work for goldman sachs. >> he work for goldman sachs to goldman sachs as i understand it got the most and counterparty payment of any domestic institution, is that true, $14 billion bequest i actually don't know if that is to. that is a matter of public record. >> goldman sachs was number one. now, you made about 100 calls to fed chair ben bernanke, but the next higher number of calls in that period, he made 100 free -- >> the gentlewoman's time has expired. with the gentle lady yielded? >> magis asked what firm he worked for? >> as you know, he work for goldman sachs. >> thank you. i will have additional questions with regard to who you phoned and will play set in the record. thank you. >> mr. chairman, can i do say one response it's very important. congressman, you are suggesting that the people that were involved in this were not acting in the public interest. and you are suggesting that they were working for the private interest, not the public interest. and that is not true. i would never and i believe none of those individuals were ever part of any decision like that. and i

did anyone at goldman admit to you or anyone working under you that goldman sacks was not fully hedgedand opposed less than 100 cents on a dollar. >> congressman, i am not aware and i don't see how i could have been aware of the precise details of the hedging strategies of all those firms to the event of a default by aig. we made a very careful effort to try to assess working with the supervisors of all the institutions and exposure to aig about the exposure. >> had you talked to lloyd? do you remember talking to him? >> in the goldman sacks case in particular because a lot of reports that were consequential, i asked what their exposure was and asked you to show me what the internal system reports showed about the committee. >> we will have a series of questions to submit to you in writing so that you will be given an opportunity to have an extensive answer. mr. secretary, when the government stepped in, there was one way for goldman sacks to get a piece of the 2.5 billion. that was if the new york fed voluntarily agreed to give it to them. if the new york fed had fought for taxpayers,

goldman had not anticipated the goldman bailout and had not put that contingency in the terms of its contract that put goldman at risk of losing the entire amount of disputed money once the government rescued a.i.g. did you have any knowledge at the time, did anyone at goldman ever admit to you or anyone working under you that goldman was not fully hatched if the government took over the risk and that goldman was at risk of losing $2.4 billion if the government build out a.i.g. and imposed less than 100 cents on the dollar. >> i'm not aware and i don't see how i could have been aware of the precise details of the hedging strategies of those firms. we made a careful effort to try to assess, working with the supervisors of all the institutions that had exposure to a.i.g. what their ex-pe shower would be. >> have you talked to lloyd blangfein, for example? >> in the goldman sachs case, in particular, i did ask them directly what their exposure was and asked them to show me what their internal information system showed about that exposure. >> we're going to -- the committee, if i may is

ceo at goldman. and that relationship continued after you left. you would have known that these people were -- that goldman was exposed here with these credit default swaps when the money went from the taxpayer to aig, and through to your former company. and i guess the question that everybody has here is, why when you insisted on bear stearns taking a big haircut, why did you allow goldman to be reimbursed, your former company, at $0.100 on a dollar in that situation? why did you not weigh in on behalf the taxpayer? >> as i have said on a number of occasions, i did not know, i had no knowledge of the size of the claim of any bank. and i had no involvement in the decision to make payments to the counterparties. none whatsoever. i was very supportive of the rescue of aig, because a failure of that company would have been disastrous. >> especially to goldman sachs. >> the gentleman's time has expired and i yield two minutes to the gentleman from ohio. >> mr. paulson, i want to clarify the chain of even

goldman sachs was established 141 years ago.we are an institutional-focused firm, providing investment- banking and investment management services to corporations, institutions, governments and high-net worth individuals. as an underwriter, we help our clients excess equity and debt capital markets to grow their businesses. as an adviser, we facilitates strategic options for mergers and acquisitions. we provide the necessary liquidity as market makers to help ensure that buyers and sellers can complete their transactions and securities markets can function efficiently. and, as an asset manager, we held public and private pension funds, corporations, nonprofit organizations and high-net worth individuals plan, manage and invest their assets for the long term. to begin on a more general point, any examination of the financial crisis should set out with an understanding of some of the global economic and economic -- global economic and financial systems of the last decade. 10 years of low, long-term interest rates and other factors

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we have various pockets of goldman sachs that, like a position or don't like. what we do is risk management. because we had this risk, because we were accumulating positions, which by the way, we acquired from clients, who want to sell them to us, we have to go out ourselves and provide and source the other side of the transactions, so that we can manage our risk. these are all exercises in risk management. >> well, i'm just going to be blunt with you. it sounds to me a little bit like selling a car with faulty brakes and buying an insurance policy on the buyer of those carls. it doesn't seem to me that that's a practice that in expires confidence. >> every purchaser of an -- [inaudible] is an institution, probably professional only investors, dedicated in most cases to this business. >> representing pension funds who have the life savings of police officers, teachers -- >> these are the professional investors who want this exposure. let me ask you. in the current market today, things are swirling -- >> let's move on. >> i think these are important mat terms. i

now it's what's good for goldman sachs is good for america. not necessary goal but because they are so unpopular. but what's good for jpmorgan chase is good for america. >> no line has been drawn. there's been no edition. basically mathematics. so therefore says that as it may be, deficit. since we are tiptoeing past the cemetery nobody wants to do the math. >> there are some people, the argument here is that banks haven't dealt with a bad debt problem. they're still sitting on their balance sheet so we will end up like japan presumably. i think there is very respected people, i was on a panel with carmen, an economist in maryland that she made this argument. i think there's something in there. they allow them to and not put all these assets to market. it started a downward spiral because you mark to market an initial capital so they have to sell, prices keep going down. you can get it down to spiral with mark to market. you need somewhere in between. may be a country free suspension of mark to market. sort of common and these people, i think

not necessarily goldman because they are so popular but jpmorgan chase. [inaudible] has been drawn and there has been no addition so therefore with that asset in the deficit,. [inaudible] >> there are some people some of the argument sorry here is the bang seven actually dealt with the problem and they are still sitting on their balance sheets like japan presumably. i think there are some very respected people. i was on a panel with carmen reinhart and she made this argument. i think there's something in that. clearly there was an accounting dodge when they allowed them to mark all of these assets to market but mark-to-market was having disastrous effects because it starts a done red spiral because mark-to-market is short of capital so they have to sell and prices keep going down so you can get a downward spiral with mark-to-market. you need somewhere in between, and maybe a temporary extension of mark-to-market. my argument why i'm not quite so pessimistic of carmen rideout, paul krugman and these people is i think the government's recapitalization of th

are executives, but the money comes in to the mcdonald's corporation or the enron corporation or goldman sachs, that -- wait a second. the money that comes in is not coming for political purposes. in other words, you do not go to mcdonald's to contribute to the mcdonald's corporation political office. all the more so with money for a utility, for example. but you can now take money out of the corporate treasury and put it into politics to get someone elected or kick somebody

for example, no one at goldman sachs gets paid solely at his or her own performance. traders, not sales people, everyone gets paid on the basis of a firm as a whole, their business unit, and we take account of their performance, but the opted for us is to keep going with that spirit of partnership and cooperation and teamwork, and also by the way, an incentive for everyone to surveil everyone else around them, because everyone is responsible for everyone. that would be a distinctive element of our structure. in terms of looking at it and scrutiny, we try to keep it. the big change is not becoming a partnership of becoming a much bigger global company, still called partners of goldman sachs and staff in beijing and far- flung places, whereas 20 years ago we were clustered around some american societies -- cities and maybe london and tokyo. >> has the percentage of your total revenue distributed in compensation to your partners changed as the legal status of goldman sachs has changed? >> in the old regime, everything that was left over along to the partners. they were e

. >> guest: if he had come from goldman sachs that would have been different. so that is true. but i also think that he's not a very pretentious person and when a juror telling people the world is about to end and you're not known as a high-priced people tend to say you must really mean it whereas if he had been one of these people who pronounced every third day as the most extraordinary day in american history that would have been different. >> host: let's come back to why so few people saw this financial crisis coming. you and i are presumably among the culprits. we were not in a responsible public positions. but i watched the economy and the markets and been at the fed and you cover the economy and especially the fed for "the wall street journal" for many years and so far as i know, neither of us were out there issuing dire warnings in 06 or 07. why did this crisis catch so many people by surprise? >> guest: that's a good question and i'm not sure i have a complete answer. some of my colleagues in the press will make a question like that and point to have a dozen stories we

we now know that at the time there was some consideration of saying to goldman sachs and deutsche bank and everybody like that we can't pay you 100 cents on the dollar. everybody has to take a hit. they decided they are not able to do that unless the banks acquiesce and surprisingly the banks decide they would like 100 cents on the dollar and geithner, paulson and bernanke decide to pay 100 cents on the dollar and that a year later is causing quite a bit of a title among the public who want to know why did the bond holders of washington mutual get hurt and preferred shareholders of fannie mae and freddie mac and all the workers at gm have to give up stuff but aig's counterparties -- >> host: not to mention all the people who lost their jobs. >> guest: somehow it was too important for goldman sachs to get less than 100 cents on the dollar and so there's a lot of resentment. >> host: yes, and added to that it turned out that aig had promised bonuses to the very people who were running the operation you described as a casino and making a lot of money on this casino and a promised these bo

that goldman is operating with an implicit government guarantee. and it does not end the problem for these banks to pay back their t.a.r.p. money. in fact, in some ways it makes it worse because at least with t.a.r.p., people know there's government money there. now we have again an unseen government presence distorting this economy. however, this is not something that the public can do by itself. we do need political leadership here. for washington to realize that reasonable regulation with the into being fair, consistent financial market discipline that this is not a barrier to free market capitalism. that this is in the and necessary prerequisite to free market capitalism. so with that, i am very happy to take questions. thank you very much. [applause] >> i am howard, and my job here today is to point out questioners for nicole. if i might start, nicole, on your point about extending simple rules to new markets, do you have some feeling -- there's a lot of legislation now being considered in washington both on the house and senate side. is any o

commissioner heather murren, a retired merrill lynch director, pressed goldman sachs chief executive lloyd blankfein on the issue. goldman is expected to award billions of dollars in bonuses next week. >> how can you reconcile these things, given what's going on in the country economically? and do you feel that your compensation adequately reflects your firm's behaviors, what the standards of the times are? >> if you look at the history of our compensation, the compensation always correlated with the results of the firm, as it did last year. >> holman: blankfein noted that he and other top executives at goldman did not receive bonuses last year. commission chairman phil angelides, a former democratic treasurer of california, sharply questioned him about goldman's practice of packaging risky mortgages and selling them to investors at the same time the firm took financial positions betting against those troubled assets. >> what we do is risk management. because we had this risk, because we were accumulating positions-- which, by the way, we acquired from clients who wanted to sell them

goldman sachs was established 141 years ago.re an institution focused firm providing investment banking, market making, an investment management services to corporations, institutions, governments, and high net worth individuals. as an underwriter, we help our clients access equity and debt capital markets in order to grow their businesses. as an adviser, we facilitate strategic mergers and acquisitions. we provide necessary liquidity as market makers to make sure that buyers and sellers can and click their transactions and security march and -- security markets can function efficiently. we help public and private pension funds, non-profit organizations, and high net worth individuals plan, manage, and invest their financial assets for the long term. to begin on a more general point, any examination of the financial crisis should set out with an understanding of some of the global economic and financial dynamics of the last two decades. the growth in the amount of foreign capital, 10 years of low long-term interest rates, and ot

goldman and his son, and then the interview went to "the today show." let's roll it. >> to more of our exclusive interview with david goldman who spent christmas with his son sean for the first time in five years. >> i just kneeled next to his chair and patted his head and held his hand, just told him how much i loved him and that we're going to have some fun and you're going to see your grandma and grandpa. >> jane hall, is sending a private jet of the cost being estimated to $50,000 to $70,000, is that buying an interview as well? >> i think so. nbc has been invested in this story. they said they had a relationship with him. again, you look at this and go are we entertaining ourselves with this story, as important as it is to this story and human interest? where is the point where we look at the national counterterrorism center for $50,000. >> this is a christmas eve tear-jerker. it tends to show the tabloid tendency of "the today show" which has been really dramatic in the last year or so. they've gone to the tabloid instead of the news. once again,

it's clear you by the goldman sachs tour that china's gdp is going to overtake that of the united states in 2027 at 4:00 in the afternoon on the 25th of december. but i wonder what you're telling us about china employs anything more than that. in other words, it's not clear that your civilization state with its tradition of tributary relations with its neighbors and yes, maybe some african countries today, have an aspiration to rule the world. could you tell us if there is, in fact, some prospect of that? that doesn't seem to be in the tradition you're describing. and therefore, why worry? >> well, i think you put your finger on a very important distinction between the chinese tradition and the western tradition. they do share, they both are civilizations which have a strong sense of university. unlike japan for example, which it never did have a. but the way that's expressed is very different. whereas the century the european tradition sought to project it at the time across the world, and i suppose the colonial tradition was the most dramatic illustration of this, the chinese tradition

goldman they probably would work something out.e of salvaging that relationship now. >> most interested. read the article in "time" magazine. richard, tweeting while on jury duty. some would think, yeah, no-brainer. can't sit there and tweet about what's going on in the case. it would surprise people, in some places you can? >> federal court, can cannot bring a phone, blackberry or anything. state courts you can bring them in. what's happening here is the jurors, most cases are settled, brooke. avery will tell you, most cases settled, don't go to trial. the ones that go to trial have been in the making for years and people's lives are on the line. the future of their families are on the line here and you have to, you need a jury to concentrate on the evidence that comes in. if someone's sitting there tweeting, the judge admonishes them, do not discuss this case anywhere outside the courtroom with anybody. >> avery, but there's proof this has resulted in mistrial after mistrial. >> exactly right. make it simple. 2010 you are going t

with corporations, blackwater, and ron, goldman sachs, bank of america?ss has to do is say that if you get federal bailout money, federal contract money for corporations, you are not permitted to engage in expenditures. essentially what that is doing is taking the money from taxpayers, giving it to corporations, and letting them turn around and tell us how to vote. >> so you have moved to a ban on federal contractors. of course there is a right of the press to engage on the first amendment. in politics, in speech of any kind. but the press is an activity. it is not a class of individuals or actors or participants in society. it is an activity. if the first amendment was written today, it would have freedom of the internet. but there are no people saying that. the press is an activity, and it applies to all people. these days, it applies to persons under our laws. let me get to person's virtue as individuals. i know you like to talk about that. but the press is, as i mentioned -- here is -- actually, i hope for problem the point i want to make because you

those were calculated in 1938 by goldman and i have access to his processed papers to the american jewish archives. in 1938. before the war broke out out, years before auschwitz was established, the zionist were already anticipating the worst because they were realist when himmler said we will destroy did jews coming they paid attention and they did mathematical calculations on goldman and i have the report. i never mentioned it until this moment on the anticipated destruction economic with human if hitler succeeded and held there almost succeeded. he succeeded 99% in many countries and was stopped but just barely. >> dimension 1938. that was also of the year coming up on the 71st anniversary. >> guest: you wrote a distinguished buck. >> one of the things i but found even after seeing what went on the u.s. government was not able to actively rescue jews what did you find about the government's position? >> i think the doors began closing for the jews very quickly after the first months of 1933. there were refugees every where and talking about south africa and australia. it was very commo

what i would start with would be for the chief of goldman sachs.if this free market that they are operating under and bundling securities, passing them off to unsuspected folks, if they were so wonderful how is it that they bet against the success of those as this moved down the tracks? they knew that this would fail. goldman sachs was the biggest culprit according to the article from "the new york times." that would be my question. host: thanks a lot. colorado, your questions for the bankers? what would they be? caller, turned down the sound, if you can. cathy, are you there? caller: yes. host: turn down the sound before you speak. caller: absolutely. host: what would you ask? caller: how can they sleep at night, having done what they did? host: we need you to turn down the sound. caller: yes, i am. host: that will make a difference. caller: anyway, i called in once last year when this was all coming down. i was speechless, it was beyond belief to me. i thought that the american public would jump up, something would be done. i was glad that presid

you heard me right. 1% goldman sachs when most small businesses and corporations in this country are paying at a 35% tax rate. wall street elites still don't carry their fair share. imagine secretaries, nurses, firefighters, cleaning crews, the middle class of this country pay at a higher rate than goldman sachs. and the chief executive officer of goldman sachs harvested over $140 million in salaries while head of that firm. he said business is a bit too much. his answer is he's doing god's work. i'd call that blasphemy. this is fundamental economic injustice in america and the american people know it. they're voting their frustrations. they expect congress to listen to them, not continue to reward wall street over privileges at their expense. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from texas rise? mr. poe: i ask permission to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized. mr. poe: mr. speaker, most of the american people oppose the government plan to take over health care. it costs too mu

a.i.g., turn paid more than $60 billion to ban and compans such as goldman sachs.dman ld contracts with the inrance giant to protect againslosses worth billions. as the financial crisis worsened, tal government aid to a.i.g. swled to $180 billion dollars. at the time of the initi loan, geiter was president of the new york federal resve. >> more than year removed from that terrible week of seember 2008, i believthat the govement strategy, and it was the government stregy, was the best of available tions. >> reporter: t oversight committealso criticized the government'secision to allow a.i.g.'s creditorso be paid in full-- even though a.i.g. wa insolvent. and members fromoth parties expressed anger th the public initially was notold about those payments >> were you invoed in any diussions with a.i.g. or was your staff involved ere you diussed what a.i.g. should or should not disclosto the public >> i had no ro in making those decisis but as the record shows and the record beforthe committee shows, a lar number of people at t federal reserve bankf new york and the fed

the heads of jpmorgan chase, bank of america and goldman sachs are among those who will testify.he hearings begin on wednesday and could cub into thursday. >>> the football crisis may have caused problems for home sales but they rose in the baltimore area in 2009. the baltimore sun says sales increased by 3%. the downsize is the average sale price fell 9% compared to 2008. many economists say sales picked up due to the $8,000 first-time home buyer credit. >>> baltimore is halfway through the traditional flu season that typically ends in april. as gee gentlemen barnett explains, doctors are hosting h1n1 flu clinics anticipating a boost in patients. >> reporter: the h1n1 flur clinic in southwest baltimore works on a first come. >> we had people here about an hour before we were supposed to start. >> reporter: first served basis. >> it's a different bug. >> reporter: doctors say it's unpredictable. that's why many hospitals are keeping strict visitation restrictions to protect patients and workers. >> at this point, we still have visitor limitations in place. we're still asking visi

how does one figure actually how one big company-- let's say a goldman sachs or bank of america-- howuch would it really hit them? >> in a broad sense it's not a lot of money. in its best years the financial industry makes $200 billion. this is $10 billion a year. it's a fairly small hit. but for some companies it will actually be pretty significant and the reason is the way the tax is structured. this is a tax on borrowing. banks get money for their activities from two sources: the deposits that we put into them or money they borrow from investors. this is a tax on money they borrow from investors. so retail banks like, say, wells fargo which rely primarily on deposits won't be hit as hard. they might pay tens of millions of dollars a year, but companies like goldman sachs, morgan stanley, j.p. morgan chase, companies that rely heavily on borrowed money to fund their wall street activities could face a bill of several hundred million dollars a year. >> warner: so when the president said this would promote reform in the banking industry, are they hoping this tax or fee actually provid

they mht pay tens of millions of dollars aear, but companies like goldman sachs, morgan stanley, j.p.organ chase compans that rely heavily on rrowed money to fund their wall street tivities could face a bill of several hundr million dolls a year. >> warner: so when t president sa this would promote reform in the baing industry, arthey hoping this tax or feectually provides a sent set of incentives. >> they dot view this as a major force for change but they're hoping increntally, on the rgin this is will push banks to borrow a little bitless, make borring a little bit more expensi, maybe think about whether you want to paa little tax by reducingonuses. it's iended to compliment some ofhe other things they're doing. >> warner: and not rely so much on leverage. >> yesand reduce the risks they're taking >> warner: now, wh are the prpects in congress? in congress th seem outraged over the bones and the profit >> right now it's hard to pa anything throughhe united states senat so very murky . >> warr: why? explain more, though. in the senate you've hea even republicans excoriating the g ban

citigroup is still trying to get out of its own way, but jpmorgan and morgan stanley and goldman sachs are all up significantly just in the past month, 5% to 10% for all of those names. >> the overall market did quite nicely in the first five trading sessions and at the same time we've seen volatility being sucked out of the market. 19 month lows intraday friday session. what do we make out of this? >> i think that there were a lot of players, a lot of option players that left last year very early. they went home, they said we've made some money, we're afraid of big losses, so there were players who were not participating that might have. now, big name players, institutional players, tend to be sellers of volatility. now they're back to the game and that's what's going on. >> and another big point. next friday is expiration. so if you own january options coming in to the year, there were very few events in this option cycle in january as we really only have five big names reporting before expiration. >> do we make anything out of the fact that it's been slightly elevated to the vix? >>

we ought to look at the transaction that warren buffett had with goldman sachs.that was an arm's length transaction. that would have been fair for the tax player to reflect those terms. we would have gotten back a lot more. >> all i want to understand how the success of lending contributed to the financial crisis. if this relies -- this relates to consumers that maxed out credit cards. is there anything that the government can and should do in the future to prevent a mind set from taking hold and exposing our financial system from another crisis? professor bebchuk? >> we need to regulate those to a lower level. something short of that is imposing levies. that is a useful approach. it could be useful going forward regardless of the issue of making up for the past actions of the taxpayers in terms of charging financial firms for the risk of larger liabilities. >> thank you. ms. minow? >> i agree. >> mr. stiglitz? >> it is important to affect the incentives. if you have the incentive for excessive risk-taking, you will do it. those are also at the organizational lev

the market, after tomorrow or during the appraisal process to find, you know, buyers, they hired goldman sachs, they're not there for a transition. you hire them, one of the best investment banks if not the ghost go out and find buyers and get the price up. that will -- that's a good question. it has not come to that yet but the team is going out into the market. but i'm not sure when gets handles, that's a big part of it. and it is out there and figure out how to deal with and it is probably a liability, he has not played in two years he play #-d 15 games in two years. >> and. >> 30 million a knee that's questionable. you have to wonder going into following as well. >> and stay tuned after the break and the finishing touches on washington post live weekend. come back. ! me! ut. i toit. i tothe efor outh. co ale refot call yoa beng mx! theionsme! tahim,. i d, ieir foulwhen boun te'thrne, e. ce galex coac gol. ♪[music] ♪ >> differences that you decide to dress up and wear a tie in my honor. it's in thy contract you have to wear them on thursdays and mike weiss has to be here on time. >> n

>>oodruff: i ask because there wathe cfo of goldman sachs who said thiis not practical for to separate, for example,rivate equity from the other work we . we hear other baers say we're going toave to lay people off. it's going to hurt o business. >> y're going to hear a lot of ncerns from bankers about th and we're involvedn a very important cause ich is try to work with congss to put in place rerms that will prevent this from happening again,nd that's going to reire a lot of chans. but our principal obctive is to me the system safer and more stable so tt the economy, the avere american family, is not vulnerable aga to this. and, again, that's goingo requirchanges in behavior. the president said today-- a you've heard him say it-- en thgh we're two years, three years into this ep financial crise, our financial syste today is still opeting under the same rules that helped create this isis, and we need to move congress to change tt system. >> woodruff:et me ask you about one particular aect, and that is banks that would separate some of their investmentperations. does it mean, for exame,

. >> guest: if you come from goldman sachs, so that's true.i also think that he's not a very pretentious person, and when you're telling people the world is about to end and you're not known as a hype artist, people tend to say, you must really mean it. where as if he had been one of these people who pronounce every third day as the most extraordinary day in american history, well, that would have been different. >> host: let's come back to the question of why so few people saw the financial crisis coming. you and i are presumably among the culprits. we work and of course public positions, but i watched the economy and the market, and i've been at the fed, and you covered the economy, and especially the fed for "the wall street journal." as far as i know, neither of us were out there issuing dire warnings in 2006 or 2007. why did this crisis can so many people by surprise? >> guest: i think that's a very good question and i'm not sure i have a complete answer. some of my colleagues in the press will take a question like that and point to have

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we ought to look at the transaction that warren buffett had with goldman sachs.that was an arm's length transaction. that would have been fair for the tax player to reflect those terms. we would have gotten back a lot more. >> all i want to understand how the success of lending contributed to the financial crisis. if this relies -- this relates to consumers that maxed out credit cards. is there anything that the government can and should do in the future to prevent a mind set from taking hold and exposing our financial system from another crisis? professor bebchuk? >> we need to regulate those to a lower level. something short of that is imposing levies. that is a useful approach. it could be useful going forward regardless of the issue of making up for the past actions of the taxpayers in terms of charging financial firms for the risk of larger liabilities. >> thank you. ms. minow? >> i agree. >> mr. stiglitz? >> it is important to affect the incentives. if you have the incentive for excessive risk-taking, you will do it. those are also at the organizational lev

i have the report from goldman and i have never mentioned it until this moment on what the anticipated destruction coming economic would be if hitler succeeded in hitler almost succeeded. he succeeded 99% in many countries and he was stopped, but just barely. >> host: in 1938 that was also the year coming up on the 71st anniversary. >> guest: and you wrote a distinguished book on that. >> guest: one of the thing siphon london my book was even after seeing what went on the u.s. government was not willing to actively rescue jews. what did you find in your book for research about the u.s. government position back 1033 from the time of this agreement? >> guest: i think the doors began closing for the jews very quickly after the first months of 1933. there were refugees every we're talking about south africa and australia, it was very common for the jews in germany to escape to austria in 1938. they went from austria to czechoslovakia and the germans followed them there then they went to france and the germans to go for france in a bifurcated fashion. when it was said the world is divided i

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one of them was that of, i forget which one, was set off after reading a socialist pamphlet by emma goldmanith anybody takes a shot at obama it is going to be his-- >> host: one of the things we are doing at claire boothe luce institute at the staff and with archaean, when the leaders were reading hayek's the road to serfdom and in that book he said the socialist needs a scapegoat to rally a majority for common cause. the question is as the american businessman become the liberal scapegoat to rally the nation for this new socialist welfare state, with welfare and socialize health care and forced unionization? >> guest: yes although i might say i don't have-- there's not a love lost between me and wall street. where the party of the small businessman. they are the party of the financial manipulators like the daddy warbucks of the democratic party, and george soros also writes about this book. it is curious that the three an official spokesman of the democratic party, george soros, a ariana huffington and marcus of the daily kos all speak in the accents of their native, their upbringings in f

"the new york times" reports goldman sachs is expected to pay employees an average of almost $600,000, saying last year was one of its most profitable. employees at jpmorgan chase will see an average of $450,000. many executives are bracing for more scrutiny of pay from washington as well as officials who demanded the banks disclose details about their bonus payments. >>> three of the seven cia workers killed by a suicide bomber in afghanistan have been laid to rest. hundreds turned out for services in massachusetts, ohio and washington state saturday. the cia workers were killed in an ambush by an al qaeda operative acting as an informant. >>> police in milwaukee this morning are looking for the person who threw a molotov cocktail at a gas station attendant. the masked man was aiming for the clerk but narrowly missed a customer. see that? no one was hurt. police say the motive wasn't robbery but retaliation for the recent arrest of a robbery suspect at that very same gas station. >>> finally, have you had enough of that christmas fruitcake? well, in one colorado town it's an annual t

they won't have to wonder anymore because they will be the senator from goldman sachs and the gentle woman from pfizer. make no mistake about it. while the legislation congressman larsen has introduced with us is not necessarily a direct response to the supreme court decision, it will do one thing, and that is that it will be a signal to those voters of the people who are not reliant on corporate money or special interest money, they will know that the people who are accepting the voluntary funding public funding under this bill are people who truly stand for them. and i think that's going to be an important element of our democracy as we move forward under this new structure, which unfortunately is going to be thrust upon us as of today. one of the things that we've talked about, shelly talked about it. the enormous amount of time candidates have to spend to raise money, realize that that is time that the people are actually paying for. i mean, we work 24-7 and we aren't really on the clock. but the number of people on this congress who spend 20-30 hours a week raising money, do it

. >> holman: blankin noted that he and other top execuves at goldman dinot receive bonuses last yea commission chairman phil angelides, aormer democratic treasurer of cifornia, sharply questioned him about goldm's practice opackaging risky mortgages anselling them to investorat the same time the firm took fincial positions tting against those troubled assets. >> what we do is ris manageme. cause we had this risk, becauswe were accumulating positions-- which, by the y, we acqred from clients who wanted to sell them to us-- have to out ourselves and provide ansource the other side of the transaions, so we that can managour risk. these are all exercises in rk management >> well, i'm jusgoing to be blunt wi you-- it sounds to me a little b like selling a car withaulty brakes, and then buying an insurance policyn thbuyer of those cars. it doesn't seem to me th that's a practice that inspis confidence in the market >> every pchaser... every purchaser of an asset here ian institution, probably professional-only investors dedicated in most cases to ts business... >> holman: ... reprenting pension fund

the bailout has drawn fire over disclosures about bonuses, and payments made to goldman sachs and other big banks. a congressional probe is already underway. in afghanistan, two u.s. troops were killed today by a roadside bomb in the south, pushing january's total to 18 so far. and the security grip tightened in kabul, one day after a taliban attack killed five afghans in the heart of the city. the assault left a shopping center in ruins. today, people there called for action to stop the attacks. >> ( translated ): we are not scared of any explosion, suicide bombing, rockets and bullets. we support our government and we will continue to live in kabul. >> ( translated ): we want the government to stop those people entering our country, and the government should keep security tight at kabul's four main entrances and not allow the suicide attackers to come to our land to kill our innocent people. we want the government to make the country safe and eliminate the terrorists. >> sreenivasan: in response, afghan president hamid karzai ordered a review of security, but he also praised afghan tr

last thing, the need to bust down and break up the big monopolies, oligopolies to places like goldmansachs and let banking get back down to one -- to earn money in their own businesses for people at home for the family spirit it is not about speculation or hedges or anything else. guest: there are a lot of questions there. let me start with a few of them. first, yes, it is true that paul volcker raised interest rates -- that is the way we ended inflation. it is also true of the one of the rate went as high as 10. %, a little higher than it was at the peak so far this time -- 10.8% but it is also true that following the end of this inflation we probably had almost 20 years of stable growth and low inflation with very mild recessions. when ronald reagan took office in 1980, the stock market was around 800. when he left office, 1989, it was up around 3000. those were periods of great prosperity and it went on to, until the federal reserve made a big mistake keeping money to easy, and more importantly, the government made the mistake of continuing a bad housing policy. loans to people who

the ceo's of companies like goldman sachs benefited, they came from the bottom up.they know the value of about $100 and democracy. host: we will have to leave it there. thank you for your comments. silver spring, maryland, on our republican line. caller: this is my first call. i would like to echo the gentleman who called earlier. &x regarding limiting campaign funds to registered voters. in other words, labor unions or rifle association's or aarp or all of the interest lobbies and corporations would not be parties to being able to give money directly to a candidate. in any fashion and it should be a criminal penalty if anyone gives more than $2,400 that is recommended by the early or individual. i think corruption in this country is our leading concern. our government has been lost. it will get worse. instead of getting better. the idea that we should have billions of dollars going into campaigns for national office is ridiculous. they can campaign just like everybody else. that does not mean that corporations and interest groups cannot lobby. or write letters or a