one example — the investment bank goldman sachs had, until a few weeks ago, a rule that if companieswhite men on their boards, they wouldn't assist their efforts to list on the stock exchange. my colleague, simonjack, though, asked the firm's international boss why the policy has now been dropped. the policy has now if you actually look across industry now, that was a policy served as a catalyst to try and drive a change of behaviour, a change in focus, and i think that's broadly achieved. and what's important here is you have a diversity of views on that board. here is you have a diversity and if you look at these companies, they've all embraced diversity, it's moved along. this was a policy from a decade or so ago, and i think it's served its purpose. so what do the numbers show? well, in america, women make up roughly a third of all directors of listed companies. that's roughly double what it is injapan, but a little less than australia and europe. now, of course, goldman isn't alone in abandoning some of its policies. dei has been on the defensive, sped up by two major events. th