and who was mr goldstone. sure will the goldstone report was a un investigation into the israeli attack on gaza in the winter of two thousand eighty thousand and nine. justice richard goldstone is a south african judge who was central to ending apartheid in south africa had also been involved in the tribunals in the former yugoslavia and in rwanda looking at war crimes in the un asked him to. head up an investigation into the fighting gaza which he then led in the spring of two thousand and nine and issued a report in september of that year the report was immediately regarded as controversial because they found that both hamas and israel committed work crimes and possible crimes against humanity in their fighting. i thought that was one of the most. really extraordinary things about this is. that's a very very strong language i mean he didn't just find that they committed war crimes in my recollection the report is correct he actually or the report actually suggested that the people involved in those war crime

from there it was the un h r c the first commission the goldstone report. yes ok so i am i'm guessing that it's fairly easy to figure out why this report was politicized criticized and embraced in various parts of the world and among various political factions in the u.s. and the u.k. is there is are there any surprises in that i mean it did for example the people putting this together and mr goldstone did they expect it to be as explosive and controversy it was a was or to expect everybody to say yeah we've got some problems and see if we can work together and are there any efforts now to work together in solving these or to do that kind of self-examination that the report is going for. well judge goldstone himself said that he was surprised what he found when he arrived in gaza i mean here's somebody who considered himself a lifelong zionist he was on the board of the board of hebrew university in jerusalem but then he arrived in gaza and was was shocked. so in that way i think he you know he was surprised by the results of the report to this point becaus

and lawrence goldstone is here. his latest text, "inherently unequal," is a look at the role of the supreme court at the beginning of the jim crow era. we're glad you joined us. >> all i know is his name is james and he needs extra help with his reading. >> i'm james. >> yes. >> to everyone making a difference -- >> thank you. >> you help us all live better. >> nationwide insurance supports tavis smiley, with every question and every answer, nationwide insurance is proud to join tavis in working to improve financial literacy and working to remove obstacles to economic empowerment one conversation at a time. >> and by contributions to your pbs station by viewers like you. thank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public television] tavis: it is an thorn have clive davis on this program. back in 1967, he became president of columbia records and helped usher in a golden age of popular music. in 1974, he founded arista records. artists like billy joel, boss scaggs, bruce sprinsteen, whitney houston and alicia keys an