in april, the midwesterner republicans endorse goldwater fopresident and by may, a use for goldwater vice president was organized by doug caddy and marvin lehman. was chaired by robert crowe of northwestern unversity. and in june, and americans for goldwater was formed, headed by dean clarence manion. at the convention in chicago, some gop conservatives, the young ones, conceited, yes, nixon had it in the presidential nomination, but ey still pushed hard for goldwater for vice president. and now the story becomes a little more complicated when walter judd delivered an old-fashioned stemwinder of the keynote address, send me an evidence encouraged by marvin lehman organized a last-minute judd for vice president effort. l-lima maitre commented iwas the only time in american politics that two vice presidential candidates had been financedy one credit card. [laughter] his. well, in the end, nixon was nominated and selected henry cabot lodge the u.s. ambassador to the united tions as his running mate. but goldwater, old water captured the hearts of conservatives coming on an old, with rem

in april, the midwesterner republicans endorse goldwater for president and by may, a use for goldwater vice president was organized by doug caddy and marvin lehman. was chaired by robert crowe of northwestern university. and in june, and americans for goldwater was formed, headed by dean clarence manion. at the convention in chicago, some gop conservatives, the young ones, conceited, yes, nixon had it in the presidential nomination, but they still pushed hard for goldwater for vice president. and now the story becomes a little more complicated when walter judd delivered an old-fashioned stemwinder of the keynote address, send me an evidence encouraged by marvin lehman organized a last-minute judd for vice president effort. l-lima maitre commented it was the only time in american politics that two vice presidential candidates had been financed by one credit card. [laughter] his. well, in the end, nixon was nominated and selected henry cabot lodge the u.s. ambassador to the united nations as his running mate. but goldwater, old water captured the hearts of conservatives coming on an old,

in april, the young republicans endorsed goldwater for president, and by may, a use for goldwater for president organization was organized. in june, americans for goldwater was formed. at the convention in chicago, some gop conservatives, the young ones, conceded that nixon had earned the presidential nomination, but pushed hard for goldwater as vice president. now, the story becomes complicated. when the keynote address -- address was delivered, some young conservatives organized a last minute jog for vice- president effort. it was the only time in american politics that two vice presidential candidates had been financed by one credit card, his. in the end, nixon was nominated, and selected the u.s. ambassador to the united nations as his running mate. goldwater captured the hearts of conservatives young and old with the remarks he made to the delegates before withdrawing his name for consideration as president. "we have lost election after election in this country for the last several years," he said, "because conservatives stay .ome and get mad care we have fought our battle, but n

>> goldwater wanted to do it. alinsky didn't. saul would talk to anybody. where he would make a deal is another matter. they talked about civil rights legislation, which saul had a lot of reservations about, individual liberty, etc. as he said to go water, unless you have a better idea, you have to vote for it b.g.e. as he said to goldwater. one thing you cannot do is nothing. but he elected to do nothing. by saulis the book' alinsky. >> is selling like hotcakes. >> it seems to be something that the conservative radio talk-show hosts and the glenn becks on fox news use all the time, and the alinsky connection to barack obama infuriates him. >> i think that is true. on the other hand, this book, i am told, rules for radicals, is selling about 25,000 copies a year. most of those copies, or many of them, are bought by people who we call the party people. a lot of people on the right read this book and say "this gives the rules of how you get it done." they are using it as a kind of cookbook for organizing. it won't work, but they don't know that. >> 1 not? >>

he was the guy that came after goldwater. the question is now is there going to be that conservative, that republican who comes along and says i'm the reasonable guy. i know erick said whether there are really moderate republicans or not, but people left or right, run on the fringe, comes the general election, have you to move toward the middle. >> the republicans have not moved toward the middle since. the party of reagan was more conservative than nixon. the party of bush more conservative than gingrich and now who knows, christine o'donnell and palin, way more conservative than the party of bush. these guys are going so far right. >> it's the party of erickson. >> i think it's honorable but it's gone very, very far right. the republican party today would be unrecognizable to dwight eisenhower from a half century ago. >> that's true to a degree but the country moves around as well. what we're forgetting about and what every pundit tends to forget about are events and things can change. and it's hard to say this is what's go

nixon campaigned for goldwater in '64. '68 he was the nominee and president. nelson rockefeller wouldn't wear a goldwater button. 10 years later he was thrown off of ford's ticket. >> reporter: the president is on the campaign trail tonight. he's in connecticut. it's that senate seat that chris dodd is vacating. the republican candidate is another candidate with an unusual background that the democrats doesn't propel her into office and they're trying to stop it and keep that seat blue. >> chuck todd at the white house tonight. >>> former president jimmy carter doing publicity for his new book "white house diary." it contends americans would have universal health care coverage already and would have had it decades ago were it not for the late senator ted kennedy who often was called the champion of health care. the two men were archrivals and carter indicates kennedy just didn't want the carter effort to be successful, and "killed the bill" those news accounts show congress was in no mood to be passing a spending bill. we'll have that interview with jimmy cart

his fear of goldwater was very great.: he entertained a lot of people who had criticisms and concerns about getting involved in vietnam. guest: there was a series of meetings in july of 1965, just before the major troop escalation. during those meetings, he raised all of the doubts that anybody in the antiwar movement expressed, but then they would just glide over those objections as they thought of the other arguments against pulling out, of the fear of the domino effect, the fear of losing the rest of southeast asia, the fear of caving in company the commie. it's hard for people to remember the fear of the communism was greater than the fear of al-qaeda today. we had just witnessed the building of the german wall. you saw the hideous side of the communists, and we were well aware of that. most of the history of the war is a horrible mistake, it was the arguments at the time appeared very compelling to do what he did. host: our guest is charlie peters, for 30 years the editor of monthly. in looking at president johnson's

bona fides of establishment republican candidates the likes of which we haven't seen since barry goldwaternst nelson rockefeller in 1964. the small government states are the principal engines of government not the federal government sound money, stay within the confines of the constitution movement in the republican party called the tea party is resurgent the likes of which we haven't seen. michael castle this is the case to watch tonight i would suggest. he is the only comeman in the state of delaware. the former lieutenant governor. the former governor. because he is the only congressman he runs statewide. he has run and won statewide the last ten times his name was on the ballot. he is in the race of his life by an unknown mom with no political experience who sounds more like ron paul or barry goldwater than she does like michael castle and they are neck and neck in the polls. why? because governor congressman castle is a moderate republican who voted with barack obama on many issues, voted with george bush on let's take over education. let's expand prescription health benefits for seni

with goldwater than win with rockefeller. this is the spirit of rising movements. the republican party has got to realize that these folks are part of a rising movement and bring them in. what you say is right. they would rather lose with one of their own than win with an establishment republican. but what is the question and how do you deal with it? i'll tell you, this is going to really influence i think the republican primaries here because these folks are basically -- they are not for the romney, if you will, mitch daniels, haley barber folks who work with the other side. they're for one of their own, pure politics. and this is a tremendous boost, i think, to sarah palin. and it's a real blow, i think, to those folks. if you want to win in 2012, you will bring this woman in. >> all right. chris? >> castle campaign sources, congressman is not going to be endorsing her. national officials are not going to be funding the race. pat mentioned this, the former adviser to president bush, karl rove also made it clear last night t

mcgovern, mccarthy, barry goldwater. "a," really? "b," the premise is it doesn't matter if they get elected but who comes after them? is there more to it than that? are the backers of these candidates making personal ganl off the candidacies by establishing themselves even if the candidates fall by the wayside? >> absolutely. the tea party express and leaders of tea party movement who have been instrumental in the victories of christine o'donnell and sharron angle, two tea party candidates who won republican nominations and reduced the republicans 'chances of re taking the senate, these groups and individuals have seen their own profiles and own earning potential on fund raising power boosted by virtue of critical roles in this campaign. of course this is all music to the ears of democrats who are saying, hey, if you want to elect these people, pull the republican party to the right, possibly re shape it for a future election 20 years down the road, which is how long it took the goldwater revolution to yield the reagan revolution. th

you heard him mention the fear of goldwater, which was very brave great. host: he entertained a lot of people who had criticisms and concerns about getting involved in vietnam. guest: there was a series of meetings in july of 1965, just before the major troop escalation. during those meetings, he raid all of the doubts that anybody in the antiwar movement expressed, but then they would just glide over those objections as they thought of the other arguments against pulling out, of the fear of the domino effect, the fear of losing the rest of southeast asia, the fear of caving in company the commie. it's hard for people to remember the fear of the communism was greater than the fear of al-qaeda today. we had just witnessed the building of the german wall. you saw the hideous side of the communists, and we were well aware of that. most of the history of the war is a horrie mistake, it was the arguments at the time appeared very compelling to do what he did. host: r guest is charlie peters, for 30 years the editor of monthly. in looking at president johnson's

we need to go back to the middle. >> david talked about in the 1960's and barry goldwater.ixon frank himself as a reasonable conservative. the question is is they're going to be that conservative, that republican who comes along and says i am a reasonable guy. whether they are moderate republicans are not. people are looking for that. when it comes time for the general election, you have to go toward the middle. >> the party of reagan was more conservative than the party of nixon. the party of bush more conservative than cooking fresh we more conservative. these guys are going so far right. it is all honorable but it has gone far right. the republican party today would be unrecognizable to the white eisenhower. >> that is true but i think the country moves as well. we are forgetting about all these races are events and things can change. it is one thing for us to say this is what is going to happen on november second with christine o'donnell, this guy will win or what have you. you dance changed. a lot of time between now and november. they're looking at the calendar and th

when richard nixon brought in the goldwater party, it was different. most disappointed right-wingers had lost in 1964. same thing when jimmy carter brought in the mcgovern crowd in 1976. they were in no position to put up a fight. not so the tea pary. they'll be coming off a big win and on a roll. listen to minnesota governor tim plenty, not a tea party guy, trying to signed one. >> the federal government is a drug dealer trying to give out free samples, give people a free taste, get them addicted. and get your own house in order, by the way. chris: they're all trying to act the part, trying to be tea party types. will this work, the establishment-types echoing like tea party people? >> i think it's going to be very, very hard forhese guys, particularly a tim polenty who thought they wouldn't walk this li. i think they never thought they would getheir hands dirty to figure out a way not to ignore or condemn them, but not have to get involved. w they're going to have to get their hands a little dirty and as editor of "national review" said, what we lear

when goldwater ran in '64 against the rockefeller republican moderate, there were a lot of people would got involved, a lot of conservative is, activists, some of them were unsophisticated, but over time, they did become more sophisticated and ultimately we got ronald reagan out of that. i think that's really what which tea party movement is. sure, some of the folks that are going to get elected this time or might not get elected aren't as sophisticated, aren't quite ready for prime time. but i think there is a movement afoot and hopefully it will pay the way for a real conservative election, not unlike ronald reagan. >> and as we both know, seven weeks is a lot of time. let me read something to you here, matt. stay with me on this. read what former president it bill clinton said. quote, a lot of their candidates today, they make him, president george w. bush, look like a liberal. this is about dog ma and big special interests under the guise of the tea party. two things for you here, matt. one, the gop has moved farther right. that's what it's intimating and second that the gop and tea

and sort of a false story has been told about some barry goldwater libertarian ideal in american historyhich never existed. and this is a false story that i think the republicans are telling themselves. >> rose: it also came, ronald reagan gave momentum to that too by saying you know, government is not the solution, government is the problem. >> but reagan was-- . >> rose: there is in part a government that is a problem but not all of government. you remember fritz holland used to come back and saying is he talking about the veteran's administration. >> right. reagan was for the new deal there a story of conservatism, you can tell by what year they want to go back to. and reagan never wanted to go back before the if you deal. some times and 23409 all but some republicans seem to want to go back to john call houn, they want to go back before the new deal to some constitutional order. and that's just not where american has been for a century and a half. and that's sort of my problem with the tea party. >> rose: if you had to write a kind of nar tougher for where the republicans ought to be

you nominated somebody that got less of the vote in california than barry goldwater. now, thank you, we will pick our own leaders. and i think it is an excellent message to send. >> by the way that is the speech that edward dirkson gave. >> twice you have taken us down the road to defeat. we shall not follow you again. >> frightening. that was 1952. chuck, here is karl rove. i want chuck to jump in here, karl rove and sean hannity on fox last night with one point of view. let's listen. >> it does conservatives little good to support candidates who at the end of the day, while they may be conservative in their public statements, do not evince the characteristics of rectitude and truthfulness and sincerity and character that the voters looking for. there's just a lot of nutty things she's been saying. sounds like you don't support them, but i will tell you -- >> i'm for the republican, but i got to tell you, we were looking at eight to nine seats in the senate, we are now looking at seven to eight in my opinion. this is not a race we are going to be able to win. >> one

just as that fear of goldwater, he feared bobby would criticize him if he pulled out of vietnam, just a glorious misunderstanding. he was so worried about showing courage in vietnam, and yet he had displayed immense courage in the civil rights bills, knowing that he was risking losing the south, which he did. host: let's listen to president johnson talking with robert kennedy in 1964 about the civil rights bill. >> mr. president? >> yes. >> we had a meeting all day today with senator dirkson on the civil rights bill and feel that we have an agreement with him, with senator akin. >> congratulations. what does he think? can he get the votes? >> he thinks so. we'll have a meeting monday morning. >> are you in pretty good shape with the folks someday in the bill? >> we meet with them at 4:30. they're not going to be happy, but nothing makes them happy, and so we just have to accept that. >> i don't know, you did a good job of making everybody happy on the house side. >> in october, they weren't happy when we did it. >> i know, but they saw the wisdom of it after you did it. >> after it wa

they threw out their party leaders and they nominated barry goldwater who-- fine man-- but he was far to the right of most of the people in his party and they lost in a landslide. that's why you have establishment republicans worried about what's going to happen now in november. >> couric: jeff, our poll shows 29% of registered voters have an unfavorable view of the tea party. 23% favorable. most people, by the way, don't have an opinion. how do you think this will play out or change come fof? >> i think it means most people aren't focusing on this election. the tea party impact has been in republican primaries. but we're about to find out over the next several weeks is whether the candidates they've helped pick are seen as too far out or whether this dissatisfaction that our poll shows ultimately persuades independence and some depths to go with those candidates. >> couric: finally, bob, let's talk about the sarah palin affect. how potent is an endorsement from the former vice presidential candidate? our poll has some interesting information about that. >> it really did. what it show

i compare them to the goldwater movement.are people who are very dissatisfied and very organized. i just read a book, a great job describing the tea party and helps you understand how much the press misrepresents them. i think you know that from being out talking to people. they are not this sort of yokels that they've been portrayed in the media. >> greta: the media has been so stupid on this a lot of these organizations can't afford to send their people and i'm grateful to fox because they send us all overall the time many we've had a little bit of a different vision of this from the beginning. if the media would go out and talk to these people, i think they would have been much more temperate in their remarks. >> i doubt that if you look at the polling, they are more highly educated, higher incomes. it doesn't fit with the way they've been described. again, i don't agree with them. i don't agree with their world but i think they need to be treated seriously. right now i think they are hurting the republican party establish

. >> this is like the goldwater movement way back when i came into politics in the early '60s.nly wants to beat the democratic party of jack kennedy. they've knocked off more than the two you mentioned. they must have knocked off eight people. six of them are probably going to win and two may be doubtful. what this is is a movement as a prelude to taking back their country. now i think there's going to be a huge success for republicans this year. when you consider where we were two years ago, moribund and despair, 20 more years of obama democratic rule. the tea party has been an enormous asset for the republican party. >> karen, we have to see how the midterms all shape up, but there's no doubt that the tea party has real momentum behind it. to what extent is that concerning democrats? >> a couple things we need to consider. the energy that we've seen from the tea party movement has largely been in republican primaries, so really energy against itself in some ways in terms of the republican party. how that fares out in a general election contest, we don't yet know. some of the

governors across the country like romney senior and sort of took back the republican party from the goldwater wing. will we see something like that? will you lead something like that in your party today, the republican party, including its rhino wing? >> yeah, listen. there's lots of things going on out there. there's the main street group that tom davis started. and there's lots more of those things happening. i have been traveling around the country, like i said, millions of americans out here who want a voice to represent people in the middle, nobody is being awarded for centrist behavior, just the hyper partisans running the show. i'm looking at an organization called no labels, no labels.org, facebook and launch in december that will have a lot to say about this and i think that kind of voice representing centrists out there. but it's not just no labels but lots of other groups, i think big untold story now that the media will see after these elections, the tea party is a very -- a small minority but a vocal one, but there are millions and millions of americans, more than a majority easi

the 1964 goldwater people.he same that came to washington under ronald reagan and that pursued impeachment against bill clinton. christine o'donnell got her start working for phyllis shafly's organization. the notion that the tea party is a brand-phenomenon has been there, it's always been there. i think angle and o'donnell demonstrate that. they give lie that this is a totally new phenomenon in american politics. >> understanding it as a latest iteration of the long-standing conservative movement makes a lot of things make sense this it year that otherwise seem like conun drudru conundrums. we ended in agreement, chris. >> i'm so glad we got together before the segment ended. >> i'm having a feeling of ambivalence. on the one hand, i feel like i really want to talk to you about carl paladino. on the other hand, i'm worried once you know what there is to know about carl paladino, you will want to unlearn it and blame me for having exposed your mind in this way. mom, new shoes? old legs. p.a.d., the doctor said.

i was part of the goldwater campaign 1963/'64, the same way. we lost horribly then. this year. but out of that came the reagan movement when it matured. that's what's happening. >> certainly democrats may benefit from drawing attention to the extreme elements of the republican party. but it can be a double-edged sword because democrats could actually drum up more anger from voters. i thought talking down to the american public, they do that. >> that's an important part, alex. because all candidates need to recognize that one of the most important messages throughout the primary season, you've got to show up and do the work. voters don't want to hear from candidates who either presume that they're going to win that it will be the cakewalk, that they don't have to do the work. it's important that they not be seen to be talking down to some of the things the tea party candidates or others will be talking about. at the same time, they've got to obviously stand up for themselves as democrats and what they believe in. but i do think again as people see the contrast, that i

i compare them to the goldwater movement.ple who are very dissatisfied and very organized. i just read a book, a great job describing the tea party and helps you understand how much the press misrepresents them. i think you know that from being out talking to people. they are not this sort of yokels that they've been portrayed in the media. >> greta: the media has been so stupid on this a lot of these organizations can't afford to send their people and i'm grateful to fox because they send us all overall the time many we've had a little bit of a different vision of this from the beginning. if the media would go out and talk to these people, i think they would have been much more temperate in their remarks. >> i doubt that if you look at the polling, they are more highly educated, higher incomes. it doesn't fit with the way they've been described. again, i don't agree with them. i don't agree with their world but i think they need to be treated seriously. right now i think they are hurting the republican party establishment mo

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goldwater was a cold wate guy. he taught me what the true values of the republican party were.his is the first time of my life that i will be voting on the democratic ticket. the want to privatize medicare and social security cannot take the money of the surplus we have and use it to pay for [unintelligible] host: guest: thank you guest: social security is like a ponzi scheme to predict remember bernard madoff? he was taking money from people who he was intending to make an investment. there was nothing there. that is what social security is. but the time i am ready to retire, very soon, social security will start paying out more money to baby boomers then from what is taking in from people like me who work. by that time i am ready to retire, there is the whole trust fund of social security is likely to be completely gone. this is a ponzi scheme it. we need to reform this in one way or another. just by mentioning the problems, the insolvency, all of the democrats in congress started booing him for just mentioning it was a problem. that is the definition of putting your head in

reagan made his career in a speech for barry goldwater and came back and remade his career in 1975 after the great losses in 1974. then he came back and having lost gerald ford, relaunched again giving a speech at the convention. you see these things. mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall -- that is part of the bigger speech. and yet, in some way he's staged his entire campaign on one line, he said that he paid for the microphone. one can seconds and change someone from bush to reagan. you never know. i lost in 1974 and 1976, and then i helped organize national campaigns and was involved with many presidential campaigns in my career. you can understand that is the business. you don't know which days going to be someone with a video camera or cellphones that captures you looking foolish. adlai stevenson waiting to get a haircut with a hole in his shoe, and a photographer takes that picture, and it becomes symbolic of an absent minded professor at as opposed to general eisenhower, at the confident military commander. another moment where carter was out in the fish pond at his farm and a rabbi