in 1964, and just as misestimated now as goldwater was then." he's arguing if perry loses the nomination or election he moves the party further to the right. my belief is they're looking for somebody like perry, who's accomplished in debating, for example. >> the partisans on both sides want to punch each other in the face. republicans, do they want to win or punch obama in the face? people like frank rich want people to do obama in return. that's not what goldwater's -- >> if you saw the republican party moving to the right, i think we do, wouldn't you grab the center that they're leaing behind? >> you need to win as a democratic president a supermajority of moderates, moderates, not independents. that's where obama is try to head for. >> let's take a look at this. here's an nbc poll about who people are in this country. people describe themselves, the latest nbc, the latest shows a country that tilts to the right. these are factual self-described expressions of what people are politically. i find it fascinating. respondents consider themselves

i would really like your vote. >> we need to go to barry goldwater. >> do we really need to? can i say one more thing about hubert? >> barry goldwater. >> ok. >> well, the beginning of modern conservatism. but also, an unlikely politician. some of these people seem to have absorbed in their water, a soup or whatever -- he should of been the head of the department store in phoenix. yet gradually, he takes this path that i think is true of some other politicians. they get into community affairs, and then, as you know, he is elected to the senate, and he certainly is a man of principles. he has given us one of our otations.orst qu >> involving the a-bomb? >> and he was the victim of a really dirty journalistic trick by the johnson campaign. i do think that is an unfair kind of political ad. >> the problem is, in some ways he set himself up for that. lbj gets 486 electoral votes to 52. coldwater barely carried his own state of arizona. -- coldwater -- goldwater barely carried his own state of arizona. >> do you attribute to him the new southern added? >>

that's barry goldwater accepting the nomination for president back in 1964.nt on to lose to lyndon johnson, but many say his candidacy laid the historic groundwork for what was to become the reagan administration years. frank rich writes, "whatever perry's 2012's electoral fate, his lightning ascent is final proof if any further is needed in the day of tea party gop that a bipartisan consensus in america is as unachievable now as it was after 1964." i'm skeptical of what rich writes, but he's a smart guy. let's go to these questions, do you think, richard wolffe, you studied the politics of this presidency better than anybody, how do you see the argument here. let's start with the right wing, is this going to be a right-wing victory in this nomination process? when it ends up in tampa next fall, at this time next year, will we end up with a conservative candidate? >> i'll put money on that. the energy of the party is for an extreme candidate that doesn't want to have anything to do with the center, with moderates, with obama's position. >> that's what i think

or even more, barry goldwater who lost overwhelmingly in 1964 to johnson. people said conserve tism -- conservatism is dead, but i think goldwater started a movement that has yet to diminish. >> would any of these people have won had they had access to television? >> blane certainly would have done well. >> when did he run? >> 1884. >> against? >> grover cleveland. >> and that's a funny american election that all americans should know about. it is the one in which grover cleveland has this child that's cleveland has this child that's born out of wedlock, so we have this wonderful couplet, mom, where is pa? "going to the white house" ha-ha -ha. there were compromising letters involving females or sexual affairs. but in this case it is something to do with his taking bribes and working for the railroads. so the american on one level is faced with this, who are you going to vote for? this personal sin or the kind of public sin of james bryant. >> to turn your question around, though, a common complaint of modern candidates also ran who are not elected is that

conservative, barry goldwater. ran for president in 1964 in the republican nomination. to some of the old-timers that is where they got their start working on the barry goldwater campaign. and ronald reagan and why he was so important in the chronology of the conservative movement and how he personified that. the fourth, mr. speaker, talking about newt gingrich in the republican revolution when the republicans for the first time which was a conservative revolution in many respects took over congress for the first time in forty years. the third book i use for the history of the conservative movement and i don't want to take his thunder way but bill buckley's autobiography called miles gone by. she is a gentleman, first gentleman to the right. william f. buckley jr.. if you don't know who this is get to know him. he was cool before conservatism was cool. he made conservatism cool. he personified the conservative movement and articulated for an entire generation. he and his magazine which many of the red, national review. the goal was to consolidate the conservative moveme

other folks, barry goldwater is a great example, without barry goldwater, you might not have a ronaldway to look back at the personalities but also at the presidential election promise. >> the first one you profiled was? >> henry clay. >> give us the dime store version of why he made the list? >> ran for president five times, nominated by his party three times. i'm not sure why he wanted to run for president. he was the most powerful speaker of the house in the history of the country. he was a resit visit. there was a power in the presidency in the time of weak presidents. we see it today. >> what is it about him that shaped the american landscape that maybe the loss impacted? >> well, the system that he had advocated was this american system. it really was an expansion westward of roads. other people were talking about it at the time. he was on the forefront of that. if he had been president instead of andrew jackson, there's a lot of people who would argue he wouldn't be a better president than andrew jackson. he was known as the great compromiser. you think a compromiser is someone

of the old-timers too, that's where they got their start working on the goldwater campaign, and then mr. president, ronald reagan, and his importance of the movement personifying that, and the fourth, mr. speaker, talking about newt gingrich in the 1994 republican revolution where the republicans for the first time were -- which was a conservative revolution in many respects, took over congress for the first time in 40 years. the third book that i use for the history of the conservative movement, and i don't want to take captain's thunder away, but phil's history, autobiography called "miles gone by." he's the first gentleman to the right, william f. buckley jr.. if you don't know him, get to know him. he made conservatism cool and personified the movement and articulated it for an entire generation. he and his magazine, which many of you have read, "national review," the goal was to consolidate the conservative movement wings together, and he's credited for being the god father of the movement if you will. if you get a chance, i consider him my personal hero, but go on youtube and l

communist country 90,000 american shores is simply intolerable, not just conservatives like barry goldwater, wiki geeks, but really everybody. so, fidel castro was interrogated on the subject of communism, everywhere he went on to visit. by vice president nixon, but congressional subcommittee, scores of journalists. everyone asked them the same question. dr. castro, are you a communist? units are the same every time. no, he was on a communist. never has been, never with e. when he found enough, the police were relieved to see him go, but most new yorkers are happy that he came to visit. an editorial in "the new york times" summed up the general attitude towards castor as he left. quotes come emitted quite clear that neither he nor anyone of importance in this government so far as he knew was a communist. by the same token, it seems that he is the americans feel better about castro than they did before. the mac you can watch this and other programs online that tv don't work. >> sam brower, who was wearing just? >> warren jeffs is the self-proclaimed prophet of the fundamentalists church of l

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>> because of the possibility of another goldwater debacle like '64.he more people find out how conservative rick perry is, gives a great speech, excites the base, but i think he frightens enough independents and ex sights enough liberals that it would help obama at a time when he does need help. >> get from clarence and eleanor is eleanor didn't -- mitt romney has an acceptability i think to an awful lot of people in the center and on the right. i think in a race with obama right now, he would win because the country would say, okay, we're going to take a chance with him. about but the other republicans have very sharp edges, which in a general election would be exposed, and you'd have a closer contest. >> okay. obama's albatross, the economy? >> the congressional budget office reported this week that unemployment will remain high between now and the end -- question, why is the public lost faith in president obama? is strictly the economy or more than the economy, like are the voters who voted for change not seeing the change? >> democrats are still s

>> barry goldwater is hard to top. a more recent wanna-be president is ross perot.he finished third. he doesn't do much. he doesn't carry a single state. but he plant a seed, and the seed he plant is the government spending too much money, and you can't go to one of these tea party rallies or even a republican gathering today without hearing things you heard in ross perot's 1996 campaign and his 1992 campaign. >> ifill: he got 20% of the vote, so without that, bill clinton may not have been president. >> well, that's right. bill clinton, you know, there was a period there where bill clinton, most of the summer of 1992, was running third behind president george h.w. bush and perot, and then perot dropped out of the race for a while, and then bill clinton picked al gore. they had the most unified democratic convention in my lifetime. clinton emerges from that in the number one spot and i don't know that bill clinton has ever trade a republican in a head-to-head poll since then. >> ifill: all thanks to the guy who lost. let's go back, richard. would any of these losers

in a classic fight now like it was between taft and ike back in '52, like between rockefeller and goldwatertween gerry ford and reagan, between reagan and herbert walker bush. it's a great fight. tell me, is it really going to be like that center right or center versus right? is this where it's headed between what it looks like between romney and perry right now? >> i don't know. it's somewhat about a lot of these things are about religion and the evangelical christian is an important part of our coalition. at the end of the day, my sense if it does end up being romney and it does end up being governor perry, who's sort of the median in the polls now, basically indicate it's a two-person race, i think it still can evolve to where somebody else can get in. perry may stumble. i don't think it's a foregone conclusion. if it is though, it's kind of the mainstream establishment candidate that romney represents versus the two-party conservative western southern part of the party which perry would represent. i think at the end of the day, historically the establishment candidate wins. this may be

barry goldwater in 1964 was going to revamp and recast so security. george w. bush, private accounts on social security. that led to the democrats running -- winning the congress in 2006. this was something -- mitt romney is absolutely right politically and substantively and rick perry is on very thin ice. >> roundtable for us. where is rick barry's strongest and where is mitt romney strong as? >> rick perry is strong with the base and the tea party activists, anti-tax and government, and evangelical. it will help him quite a bit in io. he will hope to compete hard in new hampshire but that of the placement romney has tried to keep in his pocket. for three years he has not been running -- but really has been. if you look down in south carolina and rick perry could rise again down there. but you have to consider michele bachmann is still in the race. whether she will last, we don't know, but she can peel off from rick perry's base and in some ways mitt romney's people are looking, if she stays in, ask iowa where the vote could fracture and maybe he could do some

it's the year that barry goldwater ran for president, and it was perfect timing 234 jump starting thether books too, but last but not least, remiss if i didn't mention the book about the conservative movement funding called the "funding fathers" a great book about the movement and who funded it. ever know of -- of course, over 21, but joseph coors? coors beer? he was a big financier, still is, but you can read about that. please come out to cpac. we want to see you. half the attendees are under 25. it's a great exciting time to see part of idles or conservative movement leaders and activists, february 9-11 # in dc. i'll be around after if you have questions, and thanks very much america's young foundation. [applause] >> well, next panelist has relation to three things mentioned. hugh hefner, national review, and bucly. our next speaker, captain lopez has been featured in "playboy". it was an editorial piece, not a center fold. [laughter] i remember reading it, it was not a clean piece, but it was very, very widespread. look that up. he's more well known for being the online editor of

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would horrify moderate conservatives like to eisenhower and even serious conservatives like barry goldwater who actually believed that government can be and should be a force for good but none of them would have gone so far as reagan did and say a government is not the solution the government is the problem. and i'm not really sure if the right wingers are upset with my argument or upset with the fact that i took the buzzword but this guy is so terrible that he continues to do things like this that are not anti-american they're on american because he's creating an american almost anti american mentality if against the will of the people it's undemocratic affront america in this process through its fits into what i call anti american anti-constitutional and. we have a president who is fine policy can only be described as anti american i agree it's time to start calling people up because there's no more room in this critical debate over america's future for individuals who are fundamentally anti-american that includes the politicians the so-called newsman the phony economists and the greedy c

and whether it's possible that rick perry will blow that all up you know and and be a governor or goldwater type of candidate you know the one x. factor that we have right now on the republican side is the calendar because they haven't quite set the counter if it's set in such a way that you go from iowa to new hampshire to a spate of southern states that could favor riparian make it a little bit harder for mitt romney even though romney would have the money to continue on and keep going so when that party since the calendar of this. although you may recall in two thousand and eight we had we had similar problems on our side where you had state parties wanting to move up that's really where their contests and so they're similar to what's going on on the republican side and as i understand it they haven't quite resolved it that being said polanski could be helpful in sort of the midwestern states i don't know that he's going to really have the kind of draw though that you would need for a v.p. you know rubio's name is still the one that you continue to hear because i think they believe there

rockefeller got up and gave a speech asking for moderation get booed barry goldwater gave a got up and gave a speech and he got cheered for saying you know extremism in little to no support of liberty is no vice. but he was not talking about killing people he was talking about liberty you know and he didn't mean it the ron paul since i don't believe it just seems like you know i can't imagine richard nixon having tolerated this will rattle reagan even for that the common thread between all these things is the compassionate conservatism at least as far as these debates audiences are concerned is dead because one of the telling moment i'm not sure if you have was was when rick perry got booed for actually showing compassion for the children of illegal immigrants you know the one good thing he said the whole debate and half of the audience booed him and. it was funny because he said you know if you if you you know you don't have a heart if you don't believe in this and then it began to tap i said well and also to be a drain on society so there's something in it for you to screw people you

would rather run against rick perry than mitt romney, jack kennedy was hoping to run again the barry goldwater, worried about taking on the popular moderate governor nelson rockefeller of new york. i've been spending a lot of time over the past years trying to figure out jack kennedy, what he was like to be with in a room. my big book comes out november 1st. the tapes confirm a lot of what i've discovered from her and others. it will be fascinating to sit and hear this woman who rarely spoke publicly give her take and share her memories of all we went through together in those great days. >>> that's "hardball" for now. "politics flation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> the party of no is back, but the president may have an answer. tonight president obama sends his jobs bill to congress. can he get it past the do-nothing republicans? >>> plus rick "ponzi keep" perry spent the week perfecting a new dance, the walk-back. but will social security send the cowboy packing? >>> also, tim pawlenty becomes the new top mitten for willard mitt romney. and john mccain gets it wrong, really wrong, o

remember, lawrence, starting with the goldwater campaign in 1964, the republican party strategy to gainingower was to demonize african-americans and use the race card, so to speak, to recruit southern whites, especially, to their campaigns. remember, trent lott lost his job when he was -- he made that comment to strom thurman at his 100th birthday saying, if you had won the seg ra gist dixie -- >> he said, if you won the presidency. he forgot he was running as segregationist -- >> but he says we wouldn't have had all these problems. what was he referring to? >> it's very clear. >> issue of racial justice and equal rights for african-americans. >> what about going forward, would this be a course correction the republican party could take? could there be some compromises they could make with their current orthodox to reach out to other voters? >> it would be very hard to believe that they would do that right now. in fact, herman cain is worried about winning voters, winning black voters. he should be worried about if blacks can vote in the first place. the republican party is launching and c

. >> and then in 1964, barry goldwater got the republican nomination and ran on a platform of states' rights, which was opposed to the civil rights movement. and that drove black people to the democratic party. >> you're absolutely right. dr. king went to the pulpit of his church and made it very clear where he was standing, because of the democrats -- >> let's get a shot here. 30 seconds. you can make your case. why are democrats -- why are most african-americans wrong to vote 90% democrat? >> well, because you're not leveraging the one asset that matters most to the political class. and that is your vote. if i give all my votes to one individual, at some point she will stop listening to me. if you pay no attention to my vote and i have no incentive to pay attention to you, guess what? i'm sitting out here -- >> and voting strategically. even though you don't agree with republicans, give them a little once in a while so they'll play ball with you. >> but make them come to the issues as you see them that's ultimately what elections are about. you're going to go fight for my issue. >>

in fact, the republican establishment died in san francisco in 1964 when goldwater was nominated againstshes. >> but you got to acknowledge that there are concerns about rick perry, you have to admit. please chris christie. please ron paul. please somebody run. there's concern that perry is just a little bit too far out. >> this will continue in the green room. >>> coming up -- unleashing the power of google on the unemployment crisis. i asked the internet giant's chairman eric schmidt why businesses are sitting on their profits as millions of americans stare down unemployment. millions of americans stare down unemployment. >>> google, the quintessential success story of the new american economy. as companies around the country bleed jobs, google just keeps hiring. this week, i sat down with chairman eric schmidt to ask what it will take for businesses to follow his company's lead and put americans back to work. thank you for joining us. everyone says that confidence is the name of the game. that the economy and consumers aren't going to start buying, businesses aren't going to start hir

there are a goldwater conservatives. there are libertarian conservative. we have different kinds of conservatives. the genius of ronald reagan in my view is that he was able to bring harmony to the cacophony of voices in the conservative movement and unite us and focus us on what we had in common. not what divided us. he was able to provide a cohesive fusion of them. it was aided by the coalition unified interest in defeating communism and he made all the different factions realize if we focus on what we have in common, defeating communism, we will get there. if your a% allies you are not 20% by enemy. the eleventh commandment hole also. we need to invoke this aspect of reagan today. if we focus on the challenge and choice we have before us in 2012, we face two futures. if we focus on the responsibility of growing the economy and getting jobs back to the american people and we channel american individualism i think this will create a new fusion that will connect to the next generation, unite various drives of conservatism and attract a new generation to th

last 40 or 50 years in american politics is that the republican party decided really when barry goldwater 1964, we'll be the conservative party and tap into southern conservatism and that evolution has taken a long time to play out. they are basically gone right now. this is not a party with two distinct wings. >> all right. thank you so much. appreciate you. >> sure. >>> earlier today as we mentioned, president unveiled his long-term plan to reduce the deficit by $3 trillion over the next ten years. it includes 1.5 trillion in increased tax revenue to come from the wealthiest americans. >> middle class families shouldn't pay higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires. that's pretty straightforward. it's hard to argue against that. warren buffett's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than warren buffett. >> congressman chris van hollen is a democrat from maryland and member of that so-called deficit supercommittee. congressman, let's start with your reaction to the president's rose garden speech this morning. >> i think the president has laid out the challenge very well. first

of texas than the mainstream mitt romney, jack kennedy was hoping to run again the barry goldwater, worried about taking on the popular moderate governor nelson rockefeller of new york. i've been spending a lot of time over the past years trying to figure out jack kennedy, what he was really like, what he was like to be with in a room. my big book comes out november 1st. those tapes of jacqueline kennedy confirm a lot of what i've discovered from her and others. it will be fascinating to sit and hear this woman who rarely spoke publicly give her take and share her memories of all we went through in this country together in those great days. that's "hardball" for now. "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" starts right now. >>> the white house has just given us a copy o the president's american jobs act. and, of course, republicans have given us reasons why they don't like it. >> i told congress that i'll be sending them a bill called the american jobs act. >> business of selling his jobs plan. >> well, here it is. >> the president reveals the details in his jobs bill. republicans reveal th

and second, there's this fear that's existed since goldwater, if we give him the nominee, he'll take down the ticket with him and he'll lose the senate and the house when we got this golden opportunity. this is the battle we had 1968 be richard nixon. if you nominate nixon, you lose. rockefeller's guys were putting out polls, you nominate nixon, you lose. this is a battle endlessly in the republican party for the nomination. the problem with rick perry, for the establishment, is he is really out there and he is out front right now. >> he seems to have the juice for the campaign. i'm not sure he has the wit for it. let me go to governor pataki. governor pataki, i've always thought of you as an eastern republican. i know you're a conservative, but what is that difference now between conservatives -- everybody's a conservative in the republican party now, i guess -- and perry? what's the fight? >> i think pat buchanan really hit it on the head. there are two reasons why rick is getting hammered these days. one is he is from texas and he's not part of the establishment and he hasn't used