candidate barry goldwater in 1964 and if there had been no candidate goldwater in 1964, there would have been no president-elect ronald reagan in 1980. it was goldwater who approved reagan's famous a time for choosing television address which made reagan political star overnight and led to his running for governor of california and eventually president of the united states. david recounts how william rusher short up the goldwater committee when money ran short and spirits sagged. skillfully guided young americans for freedom and his early chaotic days and forced some order and discipline on the blithe spirits who ran "national review," expanded the national movement, his newspaper column and lectures and championed ronald reagan when other conservatives were somewhat skeptical about the actor turned politician. william rusher love the american politics. rear wines traveling to distant lands and national review's effervescent editor bill buckley of whom he once said, quote, the most exasperatingly people in the world are so often the most beloved and he is no exception. david frisk h

barry goldwater in 1964. and if there had been no candidate goldwater in 1964, there would have been no president-elect ronald reagan in 1980. it was goldwater, you see, who approved reagan's famous a time for choosing television address which made reagan a political star overnight and led to his running for governor of california and eventually president of these united states. david recounts how bill rusher shored up the goldwater committee when money ran short and spirits sagged. skillfully guided young americans for freedom if his early, chaotic days, enforced some order and discipline on the blythe spirits who ran national review, expanded a conservative movement through the tv program "the advocates," husband newspaper column and his -- his newspaper column and his lectures and championed ronald reagan when other conservatives were somewhat skeptical about the actor-turned--politician. bill rusher loved american politics, rare wines, traveling to distant lands and national review's effervescent editor,

goldwater says he has a better idea. move the pipe. >> the city has begged them repeatedly to move the pipe to an area where it's safer for all. >> reporter: the city of mountain view suggested a move to a nearby park. but pg&e said it tested the 49-year-old pipe in 2011 and it is safe. its focus is to clear the easement above it. >> we're working with them to relocate and pay for the relocations. >> reporter: goldwater isn't giving in. >> they want safety, as long as they pay the minimum. they're coming in and intimidating us -- they're telling us we have no choice. >> reporter: pg&e has sent a letter promising legal action if it becomes necessary. but this battle may unfold in neighbors all around the bay area, as pg&e gets ready to cloer the land above its pipelines. >>> looking at the south bay. you're looking at a live picture at 280 and 17. on and off again showers for most of the day. and the rain could be sticking around for a bit. jeff raineri joins us with a look at the wet weather. it's not pouring. it's just

but today loom large. >> there is such thing as the goldwater-ite today.ll. there's no such thing as a gerry ford or a jimmer carter democrat. >> reporter: there are losers who went on to do big things. not necessarily things that we all like. >> well, yes. i'm thinking of john w. davis >> reporter: davis, the losing 1924 democratic candidate went on to argue the landmark brown versus board of education suit, the one that desegregated schools. but davis argued against integration. >> here's the guy that thinks that we still should have segregation. he doesn't go down well in history. >> reporter: some candidates were winners and losers. you know, there's always the inspiring grover cleveland model. wins and then loses and then wins again >> grove cleveland always messes it up for us presidential historians because we've got to do that double grover cleveland >> reporter: the benjamin harrison sandwich, right? >> right eporter: of course some losers are lucky if they're remembered at all. michael dukakis gets remembered because his cousin olympia dukakis wa

to ronald reagan in goldwater in the early 60s.so he hitches up with these guys and one of the people he meets is richard kleindienst and kleindienst is a key guy for goldwater and is also caught the attention of the nixon administration and john mitchell, who was nixon's best friend, campaign manager and attorney general. the kleindienst is invited to come on as the number two man and says i need rehnquist with me. he's really smart. mitchell opposes at first because he said we don't need more than one cowboy. when cowboy is enough. when cowboy from arizona is enough. the kleindienst persuades him to bring rehnquist to the pier hotel in new york, with their campaign headquarters is in transition headquarters and rehnquist comes in and leaves the private beta with mitchell and it's got the job. >> host: his second big rate. robert jackson, richard kleindienst will pick up after this. >> guest: thank you. >> host: welcome back, john jenkins. we'll pick up on the chronology of william rehnquist 16 chief justice of the united states.

let's take a look at this. >> in a "saturday evening post" article dated august 31st, 1963, barry goldwateraid, sometimes i think this country would be better off if we could just saw off the eastern seaboard and let it float out to sea. can a man who makes statements like this be expected to serve all the people justly and fairly? vote for president johnson on november 3rd. the stakes are too high for you to stay home. >> congressman grimm, is there an anti-new york attitude in the republican party nationally, anti-new york? >> i don't think so. i mean, there's always been a little bias against new york. i think that goes way back. there's no question. i've seen it and felt it. but i think what we have right now is just, you know, the deep-rooted concern overall that the country is spending money that it doesn't have and the need to be fiscally responsible, which i wholeheartedly agree with and i respect, it's just when things like this happen, natural disasters -- >> i didn't hear this during katrina. when the southerners were voting their own pocketbooks, when the southern republicans we

goldwater's efforts in the 60s to turn into the reagan revolution in the 80s.question specifically with the ron paul is a type nowadays, do you think republicans can learn anything quickly? if so, how? >> not super quickly. like i don't think this go around. the resistance if you followed the gop state convention's over the weekend, the resistance is very real in some cases very physical. i don't think this is the year is going to happen, but this is rooted in the notion that i tend to think ron paul is factually correct about a lot of the things he says about fiscal crises and crises in foreign policy crises. from that framework, i have to think some political party has to come around on this or the alternative is a little bit too terrible to content play. i think the forces of objective history and changing attitudes are more on the libertarian wing then save the rick santorum wing. especially values issues are becoming less popular. the libertarian issues are becoming more popular. i do believe rather tumultuous scene, for all the new candidate to miss some

we're looking at it. >> in a "saturday evening post" article, barry goldwater said sometimes i thinkhis country would be better off if we could just saw off the eastern seaboard and let it float out to sea. can a man who makes statements like this be expected to serve all the people justly and fairly? vote for president johnson on november 3rd. the stakes are too high for you to stay home. >> here we are -- >> he was not a social conservative. >> but here we are today with the northeast, i mean, we look at the fight over hurricane sandy and all the loud noise we heard from people like peter king and all saying, wait a minute, you guys, we're part of the party. we're getting treated like you treated katrina now. excuse me, not that bad. >> wasn't that $60 billion and shouldn't they have taken this step by step and not passed $60 billion? >> well, maybe that's a more fiscally conservative argument, but the message in "the new york daily news", new york headlines called attention to the sandy funding. we're talking politics here, congressman. in "the new york daily news," headline, "sta

[laughter] almost all of the other big-name republicans abandon senator goldwater. the old man stood by him and traveled the nation working longer and harder for goldwater than did the senator himself. after the crushing defeat, the republican party party was reduced 2-1/2 of the democratic party strength. 140 house seats and 32 senate seats and only 17 governors. republican party was a house divided and a house in ruins. it was an open question whether it would survive. and now began the greatest comeback in american political history. when i arrived in new york to join the boss in january 1966, his staff consisted of three people. i occupy at one desk in the office held beside his own. the second occupant of this office was rosewood's in the third, a ms. ryan, more exactly patricia ryan nixon, the future first lady of the united states. [applause] from whom i used to bum cigarettes regularly. [laughter] the altar piece of that year was richard nixon's six-week war against what lpga called my congress. alone at the national republicans, the boss campaigned across t

barry goldwater's republican party, which turned from the party of lincoln into the party of the white south on a dime in one year in 1964. and i hope that doesn't stay, because i know all kinds of republicans who like to get the party of lincoln back; southern sheriffs and politicians. c-span: j.b. stoner? >> guest: j.b. stoner. yes. welcome if you're talking about somebody who makes religion into an instrument of hatred like j.b. stoner, there are plenty of those. they are near the top of the list. c-span: here is the book. second in the three volume series by taylor branch. this one is called "pillar of fire america in the king years 1963-1965." thank you. >> guest: thank you, brian. >>> you are watching book tv on c-span2. tonight we are at the national press club in washington, d.c. for their annual authors night and we are pleased to be joined here by robert merry who is the author of "where they stand the american presidents in the eyes of voters and historians." mr. merry, do we tend to like our presidents? >> i think the american people love their presidents. they love the pre

republicans had barry goldwater, but they also had jacob javits. history. we now have -- we need a much in manyical party, and ways, that is the party we have. you can see the result of the party system we have now. host: a caller. caller: i am concerned about how history is going to deal with the fact that the senator mitch mcconnell and the senate and house republicans all stood up and said, we're going to stop this presidency. failed presidency. with that? why has the press and the media serious issue? it is almost like it is unpatriotic, totally unethical for them to do this. guest: it reflects the evolution of the political culture. the republican leader in the 1960's used to say, i am a man of fixed and unbending principles. one of my principals is flexibility. it is a reflection of this political culture, which is described. "the washington post." term as the most visible publichis face has appeared on moreyour thoughts? guest: because it is an important point -- the first part of what you read, the extraordinary visibility, the immediacy, the fact t

starlee rhoades is president of the goldwater institute.oth say we can return power to the states. what do you mean? start with obamacare. >> state should establish health insurance exchanges. twenty-five states said go right ahead, the policy on your own. you will have to implement it on your own watch. it protects and stops massive subsidies from being paid out from insurance companies and it protects people from being told on by the irs. john: the exchange is a place where you go on the web and it helps you buy an insurance policy. he insurance does that at no cost to the taxpayer. i don't know why it has to be such a big deal or cost so much. >> that is what the federal government will do, and extinction each day. but the thing that is great about that policy change is having the federal government do it versus the state is that taxpayers are actually going to be protected from the very worst parts of the federal health care law. so we think that it is a great ideal. john: they can't find you if you don't join up. >> that's right, when

lyndon johnson grittily be very goldwater and richard nixon, overwhelming george mcgovern. each of those elections, one of the candidates failed to capture the spirit of the american voting public and the winner had the advantage of a weak opponent. franklin roosevelt won his second term landslide because of huge popularity. and many of our presidential elections, the candidates are in a fitted title to present themselves as the one capable of serving the country with the winner is walking off with the modern maturity. the customary wisdom that the campaign between the incumbent president and his opponent will be either a referendum on the first term of the president or a judgment of which candidate would be the better theater. is there really a difference between these two considerations? is it not boil down to judging the leadership skill of the incumbent based on effectiveness during his first term versus the unknown leadership skills of the challenger. it's easy to point to the national security or economic consequences impact on the ratings have been in combat as the i

starlee rhoades is president of the goldwater institute.oth say we can return power to the states. what do you mean? start with obamacare. >> state should establish health insurance exchanges. twenty-five states said go right ahead, the policy on your own. you will have to implement it on your own watch. it protects and stops massive subsidies from being paid out from insurance companies and it protects people from being told on by the irs. john: the exchange is a place where you go on the web and it helps you buy an insurance policy. he insurance does that at no cost to the taxpayer. i don't know why it has to be such a big deal or cost so much. >> that is what the federal government will do, and extinction each day. but the thing that is great about that policy change is having the federal government do it versus the state is that taxpayers are actually going to be protected from the very worst parts of the federal health care law. so we think that it is a great ideal. john: they can't find you if you don't join up. >> that's right, when

to amend the us constitution so the wealthy need never again fear tax increases being led by the goldwater institute with its compact for america look out for moving from trench warfare to aerial bombardment and when they're done western democracies will look far more like italy in the one nine hundred thirty s. . join me on a journey to the heart of the kremlin to a place is hidden from the tourists you're going to meet some real credible insiders although they may not be the usual news makers you see on t.v. . me. please. wealthy british style sun. that's not on the. market why not. why not what's really happening to the global economy with mike's guns are the no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to conjure reports. in screwed news are republicans really going to blow up the economy on the debt limit fight all signs point to yes a number of republicans including congressman matt salmon in the house and senator ted cruz in the senate are falling in line behind the idea of shutting down the government if they don't get what they want in the debt limit debate also

the question has to do with this morning with barry goldwater and his efforts in the 60s.ook 40 years for his efforts in the 60s to turn into the reagan revolution of the 80s. i question specifically would be ron paul's effect nowadays can i do think republicans can learn anything quickly? and if so, how? >> not super quick way. like i don't think this go around. the resistivity followed the gop state convention said oklahoma over the weekend where the resistance is real in some cases very physical. you have romney people hating romney people. -- ron paul. this is rooted in the notion that i tend to think ron paul is factually correct about a lot of the things about fiscal crises. so i have to think of some political party has to come around on this worthy alternative is a little bit too terrible to contemplate. and i do think that the forces of object of history and started changing attitudes are more in the libertarian wing of the republican party site than the rick santorum wing. the value issues are becoming less popular. the libertarian issues are becoming more popula

to amend the us constitution so the wealthy need never again fear tax increases being led by the goldwater institute with its compact for america look out are moving from trench warfare to aerial bombardment and when they're done western democracies will look far more like italy in the one nine hundred thirty s. . let me let me i want to know not let me ask you a question. here i misspelled words is what we have in the bank we have our knives . here's the cyberspace thing there again here in this race will be an ideal way to talk about surveillance. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call i don't know. i'm sorry i missed you guys here's an awful lot of money. are you know what kind of my terrorist cells. want to give us a defeat terrorism on the liberal and the christian. can really go to the.

the question has to do with this morning with barry goldwater and his efforts in the 60s.ook 40 years for his efforts in the 60s to turn into the reagan revolution of the 80s. i question specifically would be ron paul's effect nowadays can i do think republicans can learn anything quickly? and if so, how? >> not super quick way. like i don't think this go around. the resistivity followed the gop state convention said oklahoma over the weekend where the resistance is real in some cases very physical. you have romney people hating romney people. -- ron paul. this is rooted in the notion that i tend to think ron paul is factually correct about a lot of the things about fiscal crises. so i have to think of some political party has to come around on this worthy alternative is a little bit too terrible to contemplate. and i do think that the forces of object of history and started changing attitudes are more in the libertarian wing of the republican party site than the rick santorum wing. the value issues are becoming less popular. the libertarian issues are becoming more popula

movement beginning in the 1950's and without a conservative movement no presidential candidate barry goldwater 1964 or president-elect reagan in 1980. "witness" is an essential work and may have been in the state more anti-communist than any other book including reagan who could quote from memory the first pages of the forward for many years afterwards. libertarian columnist chamberlain and the prince of darkness commentator novak. whittaker chambers was one of the great men of our time wrote the conservative publisher al regnery because of his see enormous talent as a writer. steadfast courage in the face of the campaign, his witness to god's grace and the fortified power. whittaker chambers placed every conceivable taste conservative in his debt for all time. thank you very much. [applause] >> we'll ask our panelists to speak from sitting down. professor john lewis gaddis. >> thank you to the organizers. it is safe to say of professors have a certain guilty speakers that was forced to confess for the first time although i have been teaching covert history and where of the importance of the b

party and the black vote after the party nominated an anti-civil rights candidate in 1964, barry goldwater, and since then has not cracked 20% with the black vote. i'm wondering if just now finally after all these years maybe getting on board with an immigration reform policy, do you think that gets you anywhere where you are right now with the latino vote or did that ship sail? >> you know, i hope that it does. i'd have to tell you, actions -- i think people are waiting to see what we do. and my hope is that we are going to meet the expectations that people have of us. that this is a problem that we will solve. the american people are interested in solutions. they are just -- they're so tired and as am i of this kicking the can down the road and not having adult conversations if you will about some of these issues, whether it's immigration, whether it is the out of control federal spending, whether it is the escalating rate of debt in this country. whether it is the fact that we have a health care system that is going to have to have some attention. and the immigration issue will become l

campaign and the left as they always do say that is the end of conservatism and i remember in 1964 when goldwater was defeated the new york times had said that was not only the end of conservatism but republican is in as well lands we have been here before this and doesn't make a great deal of difference, the movement goes along. certainly the conservative movement probably define the american politics as much as any other thing right now. by exit polls and other polls people define themselves as conservative by 2:1 to liberals who surround 40% to 20% of the population. it goes up and down depending on what is happening. it is safe to say the country is center right. the conservative movement is as cohesive and together as it has ever been. i am part of a group that meets every week in chairs in washington made of 25 or 30 leaders of the conservative movement, presidents of organizations and includes the libertarians, it includes the christians conservatives, it includes the foreign policy conservatives, we pretty much all along on everything. i don't think there are many things we disagree on. w

republicans had barry goldwater, but they also had jacob javits.he diversity of the parties, by history. you can see the result of the party system we have now. host: a caller. caller: i am concerned about how history is going to deal with the fact that the senator mitch mcconnell and the senate and house republicans all stood up and said, we're going to stop this presidency. we're going to make sure it is a failed presidency. how is history going to deal with that? why has the press and the media given republicans a pass on this serious issue? it is almost like it is unpatriotic, totally unethical for them to do this. guest: it reflects the evolution of the political culture. he used to say, i am a man of unyielding principle. and i am a man of unbending flexibility. it is a reflection of this political culture, which is along the lines i just described. host: i want to read you from "the washington post." barack obama begins his second term as the most visible public figure in the world. his face has appeared on more than 12,000 nightly newscasts

now, unfortunately, i've been around so long i was there for the rebounded after goldwater which took a total of four years. i was there for the rebound after watergate which took six years. i was there after george bush lost in '92 which took two years, and i was there after we lost thous in '06 which took four years. so if you said to me am i strategically optimistic? sure. they've got to govern. the world's not going to be kind to obama. they'll have plenty of mistakes. the challenge is not what they will do wrong, the challenge is whether we're prepared to slow down, think, have honest arguments and figure out what we need to do right. if we do that, this country will be just fine. thank you very, very much. [applause] that all right? that okay? >> for more information about newt gingrich, visit gingrichproductions.com. >> providence was founded in june 1636 by prominent baptist preacher roger williams who was forced to flee massachusetts because of religious persecution. it was one of the original 13 colonies of the united states and has a rich literary culture steeped in history

first as a loyal supporter for barry goldwater in 1964. and for congressional candidates in '66.e launched a new generation of conservatives. he rode the wave of the '66 midterms to the party's presidential nomination in '68. he completed this stunning political comeback by winning the white house. once there we got more of the good nixon and the bad nixon. his trip to china and russia in '72 reshaped american foreign policy. his policies of sending federal money to the states prompted a rise in local initiatives. he worked on behalf of affirmative action, promoted women's rights, established the epa. for later generations nixon's political life is often summed up in two words. vietnam and watergate. he made good on his promise to get u.s. troops out of the war. some 20,000 soldiers died while he was in office. nixon's paranoia and distrust of the media led to the scandal that ended his president. he appeared on "meet the press" in 1988 in an attempt to put watergate and his presidency in perspective in his eyes. >> it was a great mistake. it was wrong. as i pointed out over and

that the campaign and the left as they do say that's the end of conservatism and i in 1864 when goldwater'sefeat at "the new york times" announced that its not over the end of conservatism, but republicanism as well. we've been here before and it doesn't make a great deal of difference. the movement goes on. the conservative movement defense politics as any other team. the exit polls and other tools people define themselves by two to one to the rose, around 40% to 20% of the population goes up and then depending what is happening. it's safe to say the country is still separate. it's about cohesive and together as it has been. i'm part of that group made up of about 25 or 30 leaders of the conservative movement and includes libertarians, includes christian conservatives, foreign-policy conservatives, and we pretty much get along on everything. i don't think there's very many things we disagree on. we discussed every issue that comes along every week we have two meetings a year african heads of 100 conservative organization. i can say they are as enthusiastic as either. the movement continues

and without a conservative movement, there would have been no presidential candidate, barry goldwater, in 1964, and no president-elect reagan in 1980. "witness" is an essential work of the conservative canon. it may have enlisted more un-american anti-communist than any other book of the cold war. that included reagan, who could quote from memory the first pages of the forward for many years afterwards. russia, longtime publisher of "national review," libertarian columnist and author john chamberlain, and the prince of darkness, conservative columnist commentator, robert novak. whittaker chambers was one of the great men of our time, wrote a conservative publisher. why? because of his enormous talent as a writer, his steadfast courage in the face of a ferocious liberal campaign to destroy him. it's "witness" to god's grace and the fortifying power of faith. whittaker chambers placed every conservative in this depth, and for all time. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you. were going to ask our panelists to speak from, sitting down. professor gaddis. >> well, thank you. thanks t

republicans had barry goldwater, but they also had jacob javits.ty of the parties, by history. you can see the result of the party system we have now. host: a caller. caller: i am concerned about how history is going to deal with the fact that the senator mitch mcconnell and the senate and house republicans all stood up and said, we're going to stop this presidency. we're going to make sure it is a failed presidency. how is history going to deal with that? why has the press and the media given republicans a pass on this serious issue? it is almost like it is unpatriotic, totally unethical for them to do this. guest: it reflects the evolution of the political culture. he used to say, i am a man of unyielding principle. and i am a man of unbending flexibility. it is a reflection of this political culture, which is along the lines i just described. host: i want to read you from "the washington post." barack obama begins his second term as the most visible public figure in the world. his face has appeared on more than 12,000 nightly newscasts. your tho

noted when bill miller was nominated with goldwater, being a catholic wasn't a issue anymore. to a gay wedding. and i thought this is over. they are looking at -- like my generation is insane. >> stephanie: yeah. still only one pop sickle. >> exactly right. >> stephanie: obama really vindicated what we obama apologists have felt. [ inaudible ] which is much what you wrote. and that is what brings us to right-wing world. >> you mentioned roman catholicism. john nickels knew this. hawaii now has the first entire congressional delegation made up of non-christians. two were buddists and the guy appointed to replace the governor is jewish. >> stephanie: wow. >> and they are from hawaii, which is call. >> stephanie: and it pissed off all of the right people. and here they are now. here he is chris wallace from fox news. >> if you were a supporter of barack obama and particularly a liberal supporter of barack obama, you were very pleased by this speech. it seemed to me he said i made some promises and commitments in this campaign and i intend to keep them and redeem them. i thought i

republicans had barry goldwater, but they also had jacob javits.oard of first parties, by history. -- the diversity of the parties, by history. you can see the result of the party system we have now. host: a caller. caller: i am concerned about how history is going to deal with the fact that the senator mitch mcconnell and the senate and house republicans all stood up and said, we're going to stop this presidency. is a going to make sure it failed presidency. how is history going to deal with that? but why has the press and the media given republicans a pass on this serious issue? it is almost like it is unpatriotic, totally unethical for them to do this. guest: and reflects the evolution of the political culture. the use to say, i am a man of on been the principles. and i am a man of and in the flexibility. ending flexibility. it is a reflection of this political culture, which is along the lines i just described. host: i want to read you from "the washington post." barack obama begins his second term as the most visible public figure in the world

so we decided to do with the military did under so-called goldwater-nichols, were each right command was created. he can come from many military service over the foreign military services and i now train and equip and fight wars together. so the dni, director of national intelligence is situate commander across 16 intel agencies and they now fight in equip together and he leverages their strengths to produce intel products and our national intelligence estimate, nies, but that both of how weak it intelligence to policymakers are enormously improved since we did this organizational change and i support it. on the fusion centers, that's a whole different thing. those are vocal centers that have grown up to serve local law enforcement and it pulled together national intelligence streams they get from homeland security department or the fbi for streams of local intelligence and they share it, usually in a command center. the homeland department has tried to insist on privacy protections in these agencies and found standardization and support. this is a work in progress. some of the work

the "daily courier in" prescott, arizona writes about barry goldwater's photographs, an exhibit thatpened this weekend features photographs taken by the conservative senator. most of the photos are portraits of the navajo heem and pictures of the arizona landscape. the "los angeles times" has a story about how the university of arizona is the first in the country to offer a minor degree in hip-hop. the school added that concentration toyotas africana studies program. it's part of a trend to give serious academic study to the subject. that's kind of fun. >>> well, not fun, the new and deadly violence in afghanistan, which has killed at least seven civilians. this in a blast inside a mosque following a night raid by nato and afghan troops. that violence comes amid fresh reaction to an accelerated timeline for u.s. troops to withdraw from the region. earlier on "meet the press" colin powell said the u.s. would need to keep some military personnel on the ground but would not speculate as to the numbers. but senator john mccain was more critical. >> there's always a tendency in washington

charges made back when he was an aid that he was involved in things like wiretapping of barry gold goldwater guest: you have to ask him that. you know, with moyers, there are -- he's written so many memos. i think i spent probably three months going through all the memos when he was johnson's aid in the white house. you see a lot of what he was doing. but of course, you know, he's a very keen observer of people. you like to have been able to talk to him. c-span: go back to the relationship between lyndon b. johnson and bobby kennedy. >> so his brother said that johnson was afraid to fail. all the people who knew him best said he was afraid to fail and be like he was father. he was afraid if he ran for the presidency he would fail. i think that's basically why he didn't run. c-span: i want to go back to bobby kennedy. how badly did jfk beat lbj? >> guest: the final tally 806 to 409. that's not realistic tally. when they get up to wyoming, kennedy doesn't have the necessary votes. you see johnson's strategy, and it's a strategy the more you like at 1960 you say it would have worked if only he

it was the culmination of really, 20 years of conservative philosophy starting with barry goldwater andt wasn't about government, it was about people and about winning the cold war. >> steve: sure, and the speech that the president of the united states is going to give tomorrow. we understand he's been walking around with a yellow legal pad and making notes and only thing i've heard per se, i want to hear what you heard, it's going to be shorter than the last one. what do you hear about the president is going to intend to say tomorrow. >> yeah, it's short letter. most second inaugural speeches are shorter. lincoln's second was short and washington's, i think it's shorter, more concise and the president, if he wants to create a memorable inaugural needs one or two things. it's not a state of the union, not a laundry list, it's one or two themes, if he talked about fixing the broken politics in washington, which we know is hackneyed and needs repair or long-term entitlement reform, one or two big things and stuck with that, i think that'd be better off than creating a laundry list of stuf

and obviously, goldwater nichols integrated our services, which was the right thing. i think most people agree with that. but also, the commandant of the marine corps and each chief has the responsibility to look out for the interest of our service. the coordination of those efforts engender standing of the bigger picture are critically important. those are all critical elements not unlike you as a governor and one time would bring to the job. >> switching gears for a moment, it is hard to contemplate that if confirmed, he would be the first in last person to hold the position. i want to ask a question about our listings. senator manchin mentioned earlier the high unemployment rate of our military officers. when we see an unemployment rate among enlisted as that is higher than the national rate, when they have technical skills that can benefit a civilian work force, we know something is wrong. there have been some pilot projects in 2012 and into 2013 to focus on issues that matter. we have talked about it, how to credential active duty military while they are in their

and what it shows is that, the 86 tax bill is in the book and there's goldwater-nichols, a lot of significant legislation. it shows there's no magic formula for change, and that change, change is a really complex phenomenon. you have situations where an incumbent president of one party make a great bipartisan deal with the other party, as did george bush in 2006 on immigration, and guess what? they all fall flat on their face. and they fail. so this isn't easy. it's not bipartisanship for polarization. it's a complex interaction, and a lot of it is a public getting to a place where they are demanding change. and i think one of the things we do have now is a public that is quite sick and tired of washington, and quite sick and tired of the absence of progress, and how members take that, put it through their heads and come up with solutions i think is owing to be very interesting. by do think it's possible because i do think change is possible. >> would also have a fiscal crisis that may force action. >> that's what's forcing every thing. see, the prospect of the deficits for decades to come is

but there's two things fighting for supremacy, like in 1860 was the rockefeller wing versus the goldwater rain. not to place any particular weight on any particular paul, but it strikes me that in my grand historical vision of puppet mastering, type may be romney when ensuring republican party they can't do it any more people like romney might be great. >> sounds at a good question to have no comment on for me. [laughter] >> of different question. were you wearing on your lapel that looks at a red cent? >> they started handing these out. you can get one for a dollar. it's just a penny that is painted with red fingernail polish and their motto was not one red cent more. the government has taken all my money and i'm not giving them one red cent more. spin that could be worse. our swedish friends used to have a picture of a kroner cut in half, signifying their desire to be allowed to keep half the money they earn. [laughter] >> yes, ratepayer. and then go ahead and give the mic to the gentleman just behind you. >> thank you from a gentleman for time. your anecdote earlier -- >> microphone up