goldwater campaign. white, ma too, was a politician and rusher was something of a politician. in other words, a practitioner of actual politics. rusher place tremendous value on these evil. and he was always -- on these people. he was always trying with some success to get the more philosophical conservatives, a classic example of course buckley himself to appreciate that sort of career, that sort of individual and that sort of effort. a lot of what you'll find in the book, and i'm sure some of you have read it, is a good deal of back and forth between publisher rusher, also in house political counselor rusher, who had the full privileges by the way of speaking out on any issue officially and unofficially. by officially i mean in the meetings they held which could be very long and interesting. he had the full privileges speaking out on any issue, editorial issue, anything involving national reuse political position. "national review"'s tone, what it should cover, what is less important. so he played an e

barry goldwater in 1964 and a third had no candidate goldwater in 1964, there would have been no president elect ronald reagan in 1980. it is goldwater who approved reagan's famous time for choosing television address, which made reagan a political star overnight and led to his running for governor of california and eventually president of these united states. david recounts how bill dick short of the goldwater committee when money ran short conspiracists act. skillfully guided young americans for freedom in his early chaotic days and for some order and also plan on this dresser-rand national review, expanded the conservative movement through the tv program, the advocates, his newspaper column and his lectures in champion ronald reagan were neither conservatives were somewhat skeptical about the actor turned politician. bill rusher loved politics, traveling to distant lands and national review's effervescent editor, bill buckley of whom he once said, quote, the most exasperating people in the world are so often the most beloved and he is no exception. david frisk has captured all of this a

barry goldwater met with two of them and announced that he was going to vote against the civil rights act of 1964 not for racial reasons, but because it was part of states rights. instantly, the first southern republican to explain that on the ground, i didn't even know any republicans my way. we have solid south democrats. and there was not one single member of the republican party. except for george bush the elder, who was at the atlantic ocean. not one. not only to dominate a brand-new southern republican party, but to dominate the national republican party along the lines of the language that george wallace had invented and handed over to them. that same year, lyndon johnson met in atlantic city. and to me, it is amazing that there is not more news. i have written in detail. he had a nervous breakdown, because he is trying to help to delegates from mississippi, to see all of the regular white democrats were publicly pledging to vote for goldwater. democratic delegates were set to sent to vote for goldwater and most of them started switching parties instantly. the mississippi freed

barry goldwater met with two lawyers, william rehnquist and robert bork and announced their going to vote against the civil rights act of 1964 not for racial reasons but because it was a usurpation of states rights. instantly the first seven republicans on the ground i didn't even know any republicans when i was growing. republicans were yankees and holders except for extended judges who believe in a two party system that did exist. we followed democrats and the next thing, there was not a single member of the house of representatives and the republican party from texas or new mexico except for george bush the elder to the atlantic ocean, not one and that same year, they sprang up then not only to dominate a brand new southern republican party but to dominate the national republican party along the lines of those languagess the george wallace had invented and handed over to them. the same year, lyndon johnson, the chapter i had here, it is amazing there's not more news, really nervous breakdown, two delegates from mississippi, and all of the regular white democrats from mississippi w

barry goldwater met with two lawyers, william rehnquist and robert bork, and announced he was going to vote against the civil rights act of 1964, not for racial reasons, not because it was usurpation for states. instantly the first seven republicans sprang up on ground that i didn't even know any republicans what i was going up, the republicans were yankees, and -- we had solid south democrats. and the next thing, and there was not one single member of the house of representatives in the republican party from texas, really from new mexico except for george bush the elder, to the atlantic ocean. not one. in that same year that they spring up then, and not only to dominate the brand of southern republican party, but to dominate the national republican party along the lines of the language that george wallace had invented, and handed over to them. that senior lyndon johnson met in atlantic city, in the chapter i have here, to me it's amazing this is not more news. i have written in detail as i can, he had a nervous breakdown because he's trying to do little delegates from mississippi, and

the democratic delegates were pledged to vote for goldwater, and most of them started switching parties instandpointly, but he wanted to seat them anyway. the mississippi freedom democrats, they walked out because they didn't think it was fair. carl sanders, in one of the conversations, you can hear, and john conley, called lyndon johnson saying if you let those two symbolic seats there, the whole south will walk out of this convention because you will be turning the democratic party over to the negroes and letting martin luther king decide who can be a democrat. johnson almost has a breakdown on the phone there, and he basically went to bed for several days saying i'm going to quit, i can't handle this. i'm trying to turn the democratic party slowly towards a party that will represent the people, and he told carl sanders, he said, you and i cannot survive in our modern life, virtual exact quote, you and i cannot survive in our modern political life eating these folks for breakfast to win elections. we got to let them vote. we got to let them eat. we got to let them shave. these folks d

they sprang up because a barry goldwater opposed the civil rights act and johnson came to embrace theit's going to cost us the south, and not just for our generation. we had been living for 50 years with the consequences of that and largely pretending they don't exist because we don't discuss race very much in politics. >> michael: that's very true. we talk about freedom summers being the under appreciated parts of the people. who are the under appreciated people in your estimation from the civil rights movement? >> well, you mentioned freedom summer. freedom summer was largely the brainchild of barn moses, of snick, a young philosophy is graduate from harvard. basically went into mississippi right by himself and gang taking share croppers up to the courthouse to be vote and was beaten and created a model almost an alternative leadership model to martin luther king jr.'s follow me chatcal oratoriy. he was very soft-spoken and stayed down there and created a tremendous following among the young people. and it was his idea it have that freedom summer. his influence is still being felt b

it wasn't like people thought goldwater was going to win.d it because they thought it was the right thing to do. >> john: nowadays, he would be called a lefty. dennis rodman is on a peace mission to north korea. the former nba star who promoted his dress is going to the uber repressive country to play basketball. one north korean resident saw a picture of rodman and says he looks like a monster. this from people who wept when kim jong il died. what do you think they'll make of dennis rodman as u.s. ambassador? >> i think kim jong was known to be a big michael jordan fan. maybe that's trying to pick up what remains of the 1990s bulls. >> this is what happens after a nuclear test. the godzilla monster. [ laughter ] >> how do you expect anybody to compete with that? >> that's an insult to godzilla. >> it is feeding what the north koreans are trying to do because the whole idea of the empire. they can't give their people bread so let's promote sports and circuses. i commend him. he's the original metta world peace. but i don't know that it actua

if you remember, goldwater people were very angry people but compared with the base, they were the mormon tabernacle choir. we have seen karl rove republican heart which watched went on with the primaries, who heard the extremist views of so many candidates. that brings to the republican base. they have a solid word that it is not. >> paul: what about the fact that the establishment so-called candidates that rove backed, in the last primary lost. tommy thompson, for example in wisconsin. danny in montana. they were not tea party candidates and they got beat? >> there was a wave. there was a ground swell. could you be swept up. nobody should be forgetting sharron angle, o'donnell were sure fire old time republican candidates. mike castle who could have again elected in delaware. >> paul: and christine o'donnell came out of nowhere. james, what do you think of this effort by rove? >> i think you understand why conservatives are skeptical. when buckley said years ago i think we should support the right most candidate that could win the election, he defined american conservatism. karl rove ha

we did that specifically when lyndon johnson won re-election over goldwater in '64 and we were saying rural voter. this country was -- the rural vote was sort of disappearing. this urbanization was going to make this inevitable, democratic majority. what ended up happening was suburbanites turned on the democrats and we got richard nixon. we can prematurely declare these things sometimes. a cautionary note. >> goldie, the piece says today's gop is taking its cues from john calhoun and his belief in nullification. the idea that states can ignore federal law. he writes it's not a coincidence that the resurgence of nullification is happening while our first african-american president is in office. how du the gop reach out to a broader demographic when we see how it's treated this nation's first black president? >> that is the grand irony but the truth of the matter is they're not only hearkening back to calhoun, but they're playing the script of kevin phillips who was the chief architect of the southern strategy. this was the chaining together of those southern confederate states, those

he didn't lose the way barry goldwater lost.elder statesman, like a robert, taft oosh wendell welke who says there are great problems facing the country. we have a new untested president. i am here to help. that's what taft did with eisenhower when he was outraged that eisenhower stole the election from him. instead is he shouting on you to get off the lawn. >> largely, lindsey graham is convinced john mccain to take this position because lindsey graham is getting possibly primaried, and they need to be defiant right-wingers. >> i'm a south carolina girl, and i know folks in south carolina aren't happy with linsey graham. they feel like he is a rhino. every once in a while redskinsy fwram has to prove his -- >> every lots in a while. >> he is drawing john mccain into this drama who, of course, has all these old grievances with hagel, but i do think going forward what does this mean for hagel? does he assume this position, like we think he will, and is he damaged? is this just the beginning of more fights that he is going to have

when he said moderation gets you in trouble listen to barry goldwater who cooked his party for years with this line back in '64. >> i will remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. >> all i can say is wow. that kind of straight from the hip, right wing talk, and there's perry with absolutely no knowledge that this kind of talk that moderation weakens you, you know, civility. >> don't tell me you have expectations of rick perry. >> okay. >> let me play off -- >> are you accusing me of parroting these guys by suggesting they might have had an iq. >> yes. >> what joy said though, she talked about karl rove in a cynical way, and i agree with that, but at the same time, there is a divide and always been, in the republican party, between the establishment crowd and the populace -- >> what size rove -- >> right now he's more establishment. when a party is out of power -- >> that's what a party establishment looks like. >> exactly. when a party is out of power, that's when these tensions come

that's not part of goldwater- nichols. that's the business side. goldwater-nichols started down the business side, but it was very incomplete, combat. those of us involved, we did not think we could tackle that at all. it was late in the game won became up with the business side. we were so focused on operations. you need a goldwater-nichols and whether it is working on the operations side. >> i've been on record numerous times to say do not remove the joint legislation from over our heads, because you will return to tribal behavior if you do. >> the other thing, the critical point made in admiral paper, and still do require the management of the program -- the management of the acquisitions areas separately. that really was a big shortcoming and that really does need to be repaired, if we're going to get lower budgets. >> the crux of my question. we have only four minutes left. one other issue i want to return to. both papers, one of the areas of agreement in both papers was that there should be some drawdown in the number of active military peopl

. -- they suffered a terrible defeat with barry goldwater. anything that helps the american people to see the republican party is returning to the values of abraham lincoln is good for the republican party and is good for the united states of america. brought up again. that, to me, is leadership. that is noble. >> he used to have the record on "meet the press" for the most questions asked and answered. how do you describe somebody in today's world that could say yes, no -- how about will not say? >> he just did -- he would not take briefings from the cia because he thought they were just trying to get you to not talk about subjects. he was a formidable credit and -- critic adversary of lyndon johnson and jack kennedy on vietnam. >> tip o'neill -- massachusetts, boston college, irish catholic, all of that -- what brought you to admire him? >> he had -- he was a stranger to self-importance. that was important to me. not forgetting where you came from, and he was a stranger to self-importance. ira member -- i remember -- the funniest thing that

. >> as i alluded to the revolutionary military affairs was something that had come at the time goldwater nichols had been passed that tried to join the military, and was all the was talked about back in the 80's it was this revolution of military affairs and what it meant to me is finally after coming out of vietnam we have thinkers in the military that had worked through what it took to wage war at a high level using all the tools in the toolbox. the army, navy but when someone says why you have the four air forces, because we need them. the marines have an air force, the navy has an air force. but when you are a war planner are you fighting it was wonderful. i thought we had received from the american taxpayers was the unbelievable tools now the smart weapons were just 117 but we could go on either all the was there was a combination of hardware and a combination of unbelievable training that had occurred since the vietnam war, all of the things that went in that said did you worry that the enemy? no, i just didn't want to shoot my own. >> one more question. >> professor. >> expressing

i think one of the things that's very interesting is that if you compare the platform that barry goldwater'78 '76 and compare it to where republicans are today, it's very different. it's a different part of conservatism. the social conservatism has taken over and it's not what the party was originally. one example is the heritage foundation which i helped to form and their mission statement today is very different from what it was when it was written in 1973. >> rose: how is it different? >> it's got an emphasis on social issues. about we not only want to have free enterprise and strong military and strong foreign policy presence but we also want to tell people how to live. it's not just republicans. the democrats are the same way. neither side wants to find where we can come together as americans. it's -- the problem is not with the american people. the american people have strong views. but the american people want government that's going to solve things. they want government that's going to -- i don't know what you and i agree on or don't agree on but i'll bet you if there was so proble

republicans did it with goldwater, democrats with mcgovern.dr did it when he tried to pack the supreme court. republicans did it when they impeached bill clinton. so let's talk about this grand standing, hula hooping bonanza of bs the republicans have thrown at chuck hagel. look at the list of gop senators who voted today again to continue the filibuster against the president's nominee for secretary of defense. barrasso, enzi, mcconnell, roberts, boozman, grassley, heller, hoeven, inhofe, isaacson, rubio, scott, tumyi, wicker. all these republicans voted today against having a vote on hagel. they did so after it was clear there would be a vote today. they did it to put themselves on record to undermine the functions of the government. they did it to put themselves on record for no better reason than to undermine, undermine is the key word here, the successful functioning of our government. they knew it would hurt hagel's prestige, would discredit president obama's leadership, and did it anyway. want to know why the government is grinding to a

when he said moderation gets you in trouble, well, let's listen to barry goldwater who cooked his partyor years with this line back in '64. >> i would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. >> you know, all i can say is wow. that kind of straight from the hip, right wing talk, and there's perry with absolutely no knowledge of this kind of talk that moderation weakens you. civility -- >> don't tell me you have any expectations -- >> okay. i'm just setting him up. >> let me play off -- >> are you accusing me of parroting these guys if i suggest they might have had an iq? >> yes. let me play off something joy said. she talked about karl rove in a very cynical way, and i agree with that. but at the same time there is a divide and there's always been in the republican party between the establishment crowd and the populist -- >> what side is rove on? >> right now he's more establishment, but when a party is out of -- >> that's what a party establishment looks like. >> exactly. but when a pa

it about the piece in sam's article, was the confluence, a lot of libertarian thinking from barry goldwaterleave me alone, i don't like government. that got tied into states right. if you're an enemy of federal power, you're on my side. a weird, sick marriage between leave me alone and let's get together and nullify civil rights. >> that's essentially what the republican party stands for even today, as a matter of fact. in sam's piece, however, i think there should be a reference to the fact that during the nixon administration, in reality the whole business of set asides, the whole business of what happens with reference to the philadelphia plan, all of that came because a guy named george schultz working for nixon put that together, and the republicans had a golden opportunity at that moment to really grab the leadership that lincoln had provided, and by today willie brown may very well be saying positive things about the republicans. >> let's put that to sam. not only that, not only did they create basically affirmative action with the philadelphia plan, the screw the irish, italians, an

republicans did it with goldwater, democrats with mcgovern, fdr did it when he tried to pack the supremeourt. republicans did it when they impeached bill clinton. so let's talk about this grabbed standing hue loo hooping bonanza of bs the republicans have thrown at chuck hagel. look at the list of gop senators who voted today again to continue the filibuster against the president's nominee for secretary of defense. check these names. barrasso and enzip of wyoming. cornyn and cruise of texas, crapo and rich of idaho, paul and mcconnell of kentucky. boozman of arkansas, coats of indiana, fisher of nebraska, grassley of iowa, heller of nevada, hoeven of north dakota, imhoff of oklahoma. eye sayson of georgia, johnson, wisconsin. >>> kirk of illinois. moran of kansas. portman. roberts of rubio florida. toomey of pennsylvania. vitter of louisiana and wicker of mississippi. think about it, all these men, all men, voted against even having a vote on hagel. they did so after it was clear there would be a vote today on hagel. they did it to put themselves on record for no better ran than to under

what we desperately need right now is, frankly, a ronald reagan or a barry goldwater, william f.uckley, somebody who will stand up to the irrational section of that party and say, look, i'm a big conservative, but we have got to be big kids. we have to operate in the real world. >> i think we need john wayne for this one. i'd say john wayne and the panama canal. i think you need somebody to say we got to get a lot bigger in our thinking. great having you on john nichols and michael scherer of time. >>> this party is not big enough for two of us. that's basically what cpac said. they said chris christie, the one republican who actually looked good last year who doesn't turn off voters in the rest of the country, as i have said before, keep it up guys you're doing a great job. >>> also tonight on "hardball," the pope and change. the catholic church needs to fix its problems. the sell brat priesthood, is it working? the role of women? are they really getting a big enough role? and the issue of birth control. and, of course, the priest sandals. as we've seen no one has a solution to

buckley and barry goldwater and ronald reagan called out members of their own party when they went tos and made claims that are not legitimate matt. the problem with ted cruz is not ted cruz. it is the leaders of the part mitch mcconnell and john boehner and others. >> do you think they'll do that? >> i can't see what they'll gain from it. you have seen a few attempts. mccain called him out. lindsey graham called him out. >> mitch mcconnell has his own problems to worry about without calling out ted cruz, wouldn't you think, michelle? >> but the problem is the leaders of the party, even very conservative leaders are so incredibly cowed by their base. for a long time you had a party that very adroitly whipped up the frustrations and paranoia and suspicions of their base. they're no longer controlling the base. the base controls them. and so there is not much leverage they have over it. >> they have just enough control to screw things up so legislatively nothing gets done. that's about where they are right now. let's talk about another texan and louie gohmert. >> we have some people who

. >> as i alluded to the revolutionary of military affairs the something that came at the time goldwaterhols was passed to join the military and was all that was talked about back in the '80s and what it meant to me is finally, coming at a vietnam , we had thinkers in the military said said it worked through what it takes to wage war act of very high level using all the tools in the toolbox. navy, air force marines come a wide you have for airforce because we need them. the marines, nav, and marines, the airforce. [laughter] but when you're fighting you picked tools out of the tool box for what we received ha from the american taxpayers were unbelievable tools but still they would be understood all that was their combination of hardware, and believable training that occurred, all the things that went to begin if you worry about the enemy, no i just worry about my buddies i did not want to shoot my own guys. >> one more question. >> accepting the argument the bush policy is governed in the precedents set, that with the question that they do show up on the battlefield as a possibility in s

is this time versus when it was like rockefeller versus nixon, when it was, like -- when you are goldwaterller. i don't know the traditional split in the republican party between true bleefrz, evenitis las vegasests. these splits have been there. what's fun now is there's so much money piling in. >> god help us when karl rove is in rockefeller. >> yes, exactly. and i would say, you know, howard, we talked about this a little bit. the parallel in terms of democrats 20 years ago and the formation of the dlc, the democratic leadership committee, the sort of policies of bill clinton, it's different. i mean, there was a sense that it would come together and change on policy, and i will read this. bonnie jindal quote. it has caused republicans to take this very, very seriously. i don't think it's just a marketing change. i don't think it's just cosmetic changes. it's going to require some serious changes, not in principles, but in the way we talk and act. wait. it's going to -- it's not cosmetic, but it's only cosmetic. >> you are so right. in the 1980s, the 1907s and 1980s, the democratic party

should he bring in -- >> is there a role for senator goldwater in your administration?osition he would like. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> stephanie: that's what -- the tools they had on. the two right wing -- mike murphy and oh, yes i'm really hoping the president is not as combative as in his inaugural. >> oh, shut up. >> combative. >> stephanie: so i can't even remember who. david gregory asked somebody, should the president withdraw chuck hagel's nomination? no! should he just step down and nominate someone else? >> no! >> stephanie: what? no! >> perhaps a republican? chuck hagel is a republican! >> twit! >> bill press had a really good point this morning. he and i are getting really tired of seeing john mccain and lindsey graham every single sunday on every single show! >> stephanie: the senator of the green room. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] i was just going to get to that. lindsey graham will permanently -- on the couch or in a green aren't. he threatened to block votes on nominees for c.i.a. director and defense secretary until the administration gives more information