goldwater knew he had no hope of running whatsoever so here in the ideological quest. but this sends, this begins the process of redefining the two parties, s so it sends millionsf moderate to liberal republicans out of the republican party into democratic party but conversely it attracts millions of conservative democrats into the republican party, so for instance, john connolly of the democrat becomes a republican, strom thurmond at the democrat comes republican, john lindsay becomes the democrat and other cases where liberal republicans joined the democratic party. so, this starts a long process. now, it is extenuate if i mcgovern in 72 because again, mcgovern is the nominee and dictates that you should pic taa more conservative running mate but of course the convention is a disaster because of eagleton heec ends up with schreiber whos admittedly a wonderful man and wonderful family, but he was also a liberal and this sends the process of more conservative democrats out of the party and attracting more liberal republicans, so by 1980, and here they're after both par

we saw that when we talked about goldwater and the tensions between the republican party over goldwater's nomination. there are many people in the aftermath after 1964 thought the party had gone too far right and they should recover the modern -- moderate voters and embrace the new republicanism that dwight eisenhower represented. it is not clear that they are going to go to the republican party in the 1960's. one of the biggest stories over the course, particularly and the second half of the 20th centuries, one of the biggest stories is the breakup of the solidly democratic south. the emergence of a solidly republican south. you see the in these quick slides. this is the electoral map in the 1900s, you can see the solid democratic south here going for the democratic candidate. compare that to the electoral map in 2000, this is representative of the kind of electoral maps you will see. throughoutave of red the confederacy. that is the big story, right. the solid democratic south becoming the south of the republican south. how did this happen? how did it happen in the second half of the 20

>> in 1964 goldwater was wiped out and nixon was really surrogate for goldwater. nixon was basically a two-time loser and was considered a political loser. so he moved to new york. i went to work for him, 1965, 1966, and january of 1966. he said i will hire you for one year and if we do not do well, the nomination will not be worth anything. five weeks in 1966, nixon campaigned, pay for it himself, got his own plane. he must have been 35 states. it is a great comeback, nixon him and helped pick up 37 seats in the house, three seats in the senate, hundreds of legislators, greatest republican victory since 1946. i remember tom evans came up to me and said, an editorial writer in st. louis, i said you i do not think you're going back to st. louis. so what nixon did is he declared a six-month moratorium on politics and set i have been in the limelight and went into a straight battle with johnson and johnson attacked him in the white house. nixon pulled himself completely out. i said romney was running first in the polls ahead of johnson and ahead of nixon. is it wise

and goldwater was asked at the time why he picked bill miller. he said because he pisses off lyndon johnson. [laughter] which probably really was the case. goldwaterr knew he had no hope f winning whatsoever, so he was just going to win an ideological, holy quest. but this sends, begins the process redefining the two parties. so it sends millions of moderate to liberal republicans out of the republican party, into the democratic party. but con v.ly, it -- conversely, it attracts millions of conservative and moderate democrats into the republican party. so, for instance, john connolly, the democrat, becomes a republican.hn strom thurmond, the democrat, becomes a republican. john lindsay, the republican, becomes a democrat. and other cases where liberal republicans join the democratic party. so this starts a long process. now, it's extenuated by mcgovern in '72 because, again, mcgovern is the nominee, logic dictates he should pick a more conservative running mate to produce aon unified convention. but, of course, the convention's a disaster because

naval vessels to diffuse republican senator and presidential candidate barry goldwater's charges that lyndon johnson was a resolute and sought in the foreign policy arena. end of quote. interestingly enough, mr. president, that author is h.r. mcmaster, president trump's current national security advisor. lyndon johnson's administration misled both congress and the american people into that war just as the bush administration misled us into the war in iraq. and what disasters both of those wars were. the war in vietnam nearly

these were things that goldwater was dealing with, right? these were things of that richard nixon would deal with and the tension of how far do you go to the right. you see it with other republican candidates. that has been the story throughout a lot of republican presidential campaigning. usede h.w. bush famously his southern campaign advisor, lee atwater, pioneers of the willie horton hat which is this racially coded way of appealing to the sense that democrats are touron law and order and the criminals? the african-americans -- who are the criminals? the african-americans. play out withis george w. bush and john mccain, as well. what is so striking and unusual about donald trump is the way he embraces the politics of the right with no concern. he is not worried about losing voters. the test is whether there is a moderate republican vote that trump can lose. will they abandon trump? u see jeff flake, corker from tennessee denouncing trump but they are resigning, not running again. going to be the more centrist vote that is going to challen

and in 1964 i was at the goldwater's headquarters in maryland. and goldwater's shot showed me i didn't have a career as a prognosticato prognosticator. and i wondered about the goldwater campaign given how he was treated and i concluded the campaign by surrender is not an option. and that was what the publisher thought would make a title. >> host: the impact, your father was a firefighter and your mother was a housewife. >> guest: he think-- i think i grew up with the values of working class america. they never considered themselves at the time they would be people character rieiz later as reagan democrats. i learned a lot from the background. >> host: what does it mean to be a reagan democrat? >> people who demographically, working people ought to be leftist in their economic views and progressive views. that didn't characterize my parents. others believed in a strong national defense and strong american role in the world and i think i certainly picked up a lot of that from them. >> host: explain, your father was a member of a union. how did at

the goldwater files, i was the first person to see. they just came open. the friendliest imaginable notes from o'connor when ten years later in 1981 anti-abortion folks from arizona tried to stop them from being put on the supreme court of the united states, goldwater went on record saying sandra day o'connor's opponents should be spanked. sometimes it pays to be all little deaf. you need -- extraordinary self discipline. most important of all they did not think they were the only ones who deserved it. when o'connor received word that president reagan selected her for the supreme court she had one concern. it was okay to be first, she said, but she did not want to be the last. they knew they were not alone. neither one of them thought they got to where they were because they with the most fabulously uniquely special women, no other women deserved, they demonstrated that commitment, that is one of the reasons i honor them so much. barriers did not stop them. mockery did not faze them. when ruth bader ginsburg went to the supreme court in 1993 some one sent

i never believed rockefeller could get it after what he did to barry goldwater in 1954. -- 1964. republicans would have walked out if rockefeller had been nominated. host: explain the reagan candidacy or possible candidacy in 1960 eight. -- what was he thinking? 1968. was the on the ballot? was he a serious contender for the white house? barbara: what is fascinating for him, for that clip for to kill -- for that clip particularly, the facility had with the audience and as a speaker, and that goes back to his days as an announcer for baseball where he -- he was getting the baseball game over the wire, but explaining as if he was at the game. he had a great facility for telling anecdotes. he was a hollywood actor. but he had made this interesting journey -- he kind of represented the country in that sense -- he made the journey from a new deal roosevelt democrat, the head of the screen actors guild, a prounion man, do -- to becoming more conservative as he worked for ge and out of the banquet circuit for general electric. that is where he picked up the facility for the banquet spee

he said barry goldwater has the budget and the set up, and i will take you to see him and we will see if he can help you, so he took joan to barry goldwater 's office, and very was looking through the papers and asked if she was from arizona, and she -- from, she was with phoenix, and he asked if she was related to harry ganz, and joan that's her uncle, and very goldwater got up from his chair, threw his arms around her, kissed her and sent -- said harry ganz was my first contributor when i first ran for office. what can i do for you? then he called the secretary of . and asked whyw they were not helping her with this great program? anyway, she walked out with the money for distribution and the rest is history. for those of you who do not know, barry goldwater, of all people, conservative republican, is the doctor of big bird. [applause] >> this weekend, the debut of our series "1968: america in turmoil." we will look back to that turbulent time marked with war, political assassination, and the space race, women's rights, racial strife, a fractious presidential election, and the rise

sixty-four, barry goldwater should've poked nelson or bill scranton or some other moderate republican to produce a unified convention in order to at least have a fighting chance against lyndon johnson in 1964 which was nonsense that the country would not stand for three presidents in 11 months. they were not vote against party of the martyr presidents. he picks the little-known congressman from buffalo new york, bill muller and goldwater was asked at the time why he picked bill muller and he said because he paces off lyndon johnson. [laughter] which probably was the case. goldwater knew he had no hope of winning whatsoever so he was going to run an ideological holy quest. this sends begins to process redefining the two parties and that sends them into the party but conversely conversely moderate democrats into the republican party so for instance john connolly the democrat becomes a republican and strom thurmond becomes a republican and john lindsay, the republican from the democrat and other cases where liberal republicans joined the democratic party. this starts a long process. it's

i think that there is a linkage between 1964 and goldwater.is brand of -- brand populism into the reagan years. the movement conservatism all caps donald trump. i think we see some of the seeds of both the democratic left and the republican right. the democratic populism and republican populism to this day. guest: i think that is very true. goldwateree is the laid this foundation for this powerful conservative movement which basically couch -- capture the party but could not capture the country. andook that movement brought the republican party together and picked up the two pieces of the democratic party of the northern catholics and southern protestants. he crated a new majority. majority.ted a new which was astounding, considering the defeat. the democratic party, bobby kennedy, george mcgovern, would capture the party and nominate mcgovern in 72. to 68,u got subsequent that year was we have only crossed the continental divide and we have never been able to get back over that divide. because it involves more than simply politics. it involve

so goldwater nichols had changed that, staff wise, fairly significantly. chairman'sanced the power so much that he was the true -- if he chose executed, was a true primary member of the national security staff of the president of the united states. and colin powell, who was the chairman, had the wherewithal to exercise that power. know, the you may national security adviser, he had been in military aid to secretary of defense weinberger, he had served on the budget he --tee somewhere, so and he had been a force tom commander for the army. he was probably one of the ideal people to be in that position. betweenthing a change my previous experience at the pentagon and what i was going to go through here. and then the other major thing was i got to the pentagon two days after saddam hussein invaded kuwait. >> ok. mr. rothmann: my immediate reaction to that was i called brands to see how i could get back into -- back in the field. the answer was, look, we have ls just likeolone you who are making that request. you are staying where you are. the position i walke

on the scene by that great speech he gave in 1964, supporting goldwater. this rightin 1968 as wing challenge to richard nixon. know, i believe -- you because of the letters that andng and reagan -- nixon reagan -- which i have copies of -- there was a bohemian growth in 1967, where they talked and nixon told reagan, give me a fresh shot at the liberal establishment in new hampshire, and if i have not succeeded really well in wisconsin, then you come in. rockefeller tried to have a meeting with reagan in new orleans. he came up to his bedroom where he was staying, knocked on the door, and came in. reagan was calling nixon, saying we did not put this together. that is my belief, that he gave nixon that first shot but they were reagan people. they put him into oregon. he got 22% in oregon. and rockefeller got 5% of the vote in oregon in the primary. guest: but their hope was that rockefeller and reagan could perhaps drop an f to get votes away that if nixon did not win on the first ballot in miami beach, that maybe they could. guest: they started going to rea

>> in 1964, goldwater was wiped and nixon was the lead surrogate. he was a two time loser and considered a political loser. he moves to new york and what he did, i went to work for him. 1965, '66. january, '66. nixon told me then, sir, i want to get on board early if you want to run for president. he said i'll here you for one year. if we don't do well in these off elections, nomination won't be worth anything. nixon helped pick up 47 seats in the house. greatest republican victory since 1946. tom evans said i would have been an editorial writer in st. louis. i said i don't think you're going back to st. louis. he got into a battle with johnson at the end of '66. johnson attacked him in the white house. nixon said i need dpoet out of public arena for a while. in 1967, making ste ining state. remember gene mccarthy. you need a light rinse. >> along those lines i want to take you back to that time period in a very young pat buchanan on the campaign trail with richard nixon and the former vice president. we'll watch this. >> seems to be a pretty magnif

and in 1964 i was at the goldwater's headquarters in maryland. and goldwater's sho

with the help by the way of a young man, a young attorney and also the national women and barry goldwater of arizona. [laughter] the slaves don't usually get put in the same sentence but they got their recognition 60 years later in the women who had their leader in their campaign would been the telephone operator and supervisor their peace conference at bursae she said i deserve this metal and i'm so happy to get i my victory metal finally not only for serving in france 60 years ago but providing the army for 60 years and winning. [laughter] how could you not want to tell her story? [laughter] >> part of the r reason that the story i am telling was on hold for so long is because during world war ii were breaking was a top-secret operation and when then us army and navy treated thousands of women, school teachers and recent college graduates who were apt in math and linkages to do this work they were told they couldn't tell anybody what they were going to be doing at these barbed wire surrounded compounds in washington dc. they were told that if anyone asked they were doing they were to sa

since 64 goldwater's nomination or the government could 72 the two parties have been moving steadily further apart. there is less room to negotiate and compromise. and then you get a democrat like bill clinton elected and then he can negotiate was someone who is more right of center. the democratic party's and 64 has nominated more liberal nominee yes there is polarization but represents an honest choice to the american voter. >> tony is not answering or responding. we are not hearing him. we will move to georgia and talk with robert. he is in stone mountain outside of atlanta. >> host: i'm not hearing anything. i apologize. something happening with the phones. craig shirley's two most recent books what was ronald reagan doing in those years when he lost the first presidential nomination? >> you never stop campaigning. he gave the last speech at the kansas city convention you just lost the nomination of gerald ford by 70 delegate votes now he's supposed to be bitter and angry and deep down he was but he gives a remarkable off-the-cuff speech live on national television before 17000 r

barry goldwater got so interested in this because he had been a pilot in one were to come as well. he couldn't believe women pilots of world war ii didn't get what he got in so he advanced their legislation and the hello girls and the wasps when it together on the same piece of legislation that goldwater sponsor. then in 2016 arlington announced you know, were running out of space. the wasps weren't real soldiers anyway so they won't be buried here. as recent as two years ago and i'm sorry if i forget the name it was in arizona comes with who again went to congress and said over time these were soldiers and again legislation was passed in 2016 signed by president obama and their status as a true full soldiers was restored yet again. >> absolutely just like these wonderful authors of said history does have [inaudible] today. when you read radium girls and the reason for the story is so wanting is because we see parallels time and again throughout history and the story happens hundred years ago but in fact you can see parallels and what happened in the tobacco industry for example. t

i also think that there is a linkage between 1964 and airy -- barry goldwater and his brand of populism was brought to the reagan years and nixon to some extent with movement conservatism. all the way up to donald trump. i think we see the seeds of the democratic left and republican right and democratic populism and republican populism to this day. pat: i think that is true. goldwater laid this foundation of a powerful conservative movement that captured the party but not the country. nixon picks up that movement and brought the republican party together and picked up the two pieces of the democratic party, the northern catholics and southern protestants. and created a new majority that won the republicans five out of six presidential elections after 1964, which was astounding considering the defeat. in the democratic party, g -- gene mccarthy, bobby kennedy, mcgovern, they would capture the party and nominate mcgovern in 1972. i think what you have subsequent to 1968, that year we really crossed the continental divide, and we have never been able to get back over it, i think, and it is

on the scene by that great speech he gave in 1964, supporting goldwater.ghtin 1968 as wing challenge to richard nixon. know, i believe -- you because of the letters that andng and reagan -- nixon reagan -- which i have copies of -- there was a bohemian growth in 1967, where they talked and nixon told reagan, give me a fresh shot at the liberal establishment in new hampshire, and if i have not succeeded really well in wisconsin, then you come in. rockefeller tried to have a meeting with reagan in new orleans. he came up to his bedroom where he was staying, knocked on the door, and came in. reagan was calling nixon, saying we did not put this together. that is my belief, that he gave nixon that first shot but they were reagan people. they put him into oregon. he got 22% in oregon. and rockefeller got 5% of the vote in oregon in the primary. guest: but their hope was that rockefeller and reagan could perhaps drop an f to get votes away that if nixon did not win on the first ballot in miami beach, that maybe they could. guest: they started going to reagan. the

says to goldwater, how many votes do we have?urvive the 67 votes i need to survive removal? and gold dlt water says to him, mr. president, you don't have my vote. and that led to nixon's ultimate resignation. i think here the principle of these republican senators saying to the president you don't have my vote. if you fire mueller, you don't have my vote. we will come back and appoint somebody new if not mueller himself and you'll have to face the consequences of that act. i think that's what's going on here most. >> i tend to agree that the cost of doing this is incredibly high. before we discounted the notion that the president would do it, we have to remember he tried once to do it. he asked don mcgahn to fire robert mueller according to "the new york times" and he wouldn't do that. it is out there as a possibility. another big story that's taking place before our very eyes is this facebook thing which gets bigger and more complicated as days go on here. we know that cambridge analytica had access to the 50 million voter infor

they were service pilots and the barry goldwater, he had been a pilot inworld war ii as well . and he couldn't believe the women pilots of world war ii get what he got. so they advanced their legislation of the hello girls in the wasps, they went in together on the same piece oflegislation . then arlington announced, we're just running out of space so the wasps weren't real soldiers anyhow so they won't be buried here.as recent as two years ago, i'm sorry i forget the name. i think it was in arizona congresswoman. went to congress and said one more time, the soldiers. so legislature was half in 2016 and signed by president obama. and had their status as true soldiers yet again. >> and i mean, after stuff like this, these wonderful authors have said this story does have residence today and when you read the radium girls. partly the reason the story is so haunting is because we see parallels throughout history. the story happens 100 years ago and in fact you can see parallels and what happened in the tobacco industry for example. this isn't just a story of women getting sick and

bush, the principled constitutionalism of barry goldwater. what does it say that we have succumbed to what can only be described as a propaganda fueled, dystopian view of conservatism? what does it say about the stewardship of america and its institutions? what it says is that we are as capable as anyone of forgetting your principles and our priorities and putting politics before party. populist resentments may feel good in the moment, but indulging in them is destructive and self-destructive and offers no solution to the real problems that give rise to the resentments in the first place. manipulating populist resentments is the oldest trick in the book and it is shameful. when we allow ourselves to prioritize winning at all costs over what is best for the country, when we ignore conscience in the face of what we know is wrong, when we reduce our democracy to a series of binary calculations, then we have chosen our political interests over the public interests, and in so doing we inflict great harm on the country. when we excuse on our side w

flake served as executive director of the goldwater institute in arizona, republican think tank. sen. flake is a dual graduate of brigham young university where he earned his bachelors and masters degree. he lives in mesa, arizona. sen. flake will be focusing on his continuing message of country over party. please join me welcoming united states sen. jeff flake. [applause] >> and honor to be here, and honor to be hosted by the new england council. i can't believe memorabilia around here, what it feels like to be here. my best political memories of traveling around with sen. mccain, one memorable event here, traveled close to the canadian border and he was going to talk about prescription drugs, importation, that was one of his issues. it was snowing, and absolute blizzard. the only ones with us were the ones that were with us on the bus. they got off and we were shivering in a light sportcoat. sen. mccain said i need cheap prescription drugs because i got pneumonia now. as we were standing there some guy rides by on a bike and it was the most surreal thing i have ever seen. anywa

prior to entering politics, senator flake served as the executive director of the goldwater institute. ofator flake is a graduate brigham young university, where he earned his bachelors and his masters degree. he currently lives in mesa, arizona, with his wife cheryl and their five children. will be focusing on his continuing message of country over party. please join me in welcoming united states senator jeff flake. [applause] sen. flake: thank you. it is an honor to be here. an honor to be hosted by the new england council and saint anselm 's. i cannot believe the memorabilia around here and what it feels like to be here. some of my best political memories are traveling around with senator mccain when he campaigned. one memorable event here in new hampshire, we traveled right up to the canadian border. he was going to talk about prescription drug importation. that was one of his issues. when we got there was snowing, and absolute lizard. -- an absolute blizzard. we got out of the bus, the only press with us or the ones on the bus. senator mccain and i were shivering. said i need che

i think it is time for a 21st century goldwater-nichols act. to face a new generation of threats. if you look at how our money is spent on the committee, we waste a lot of it fighting the last war. the problem is the stakes right now are incredibly high. two nights ago i was speaking in new york, and i was focused on china specifically, but i was talking about two things. ai, or investment in they said they will be the world leader by 2030, and chinese investment in anti-satellite weapons, which can completely take out the backbone of our communications. we are not doing enough to counter these things. we are more interested in fighting whether we should by 200 or 215 f-35's in the next fiscal year, when the chinese are figuring out how, and a matter of 72 hours, they can take out 100% of our satellite infrastructure. have you think the f-35 is going to work without satellites? not too well. by the way, what they're also looking at is how do you beat the f-35 with the f 45. we're not focused on that at all. there needs to be some significant reorganization of our priorities, both

up a goldwater republican.how did reagan convince the country that those values were something that should be extolled and that drove him all the way through those four years in getting to the nomination and ultimately president? >> conservatism district again, good question. it's been defined many years as being against big governor and against student protesters and against this and that and in many ways reagan speech for goldwater in 64 he's not only angry but mostly being a again because he continues is ideologically journey and sees conservatism as a powerful force to present to people and he believes the is the child of the enlightenment and quoted the row in pain and he believed in the dignity and the rights and privacy of every individual which is the basis of american conservatism. he begins to present his case in a much more positive compelling manner not against government post freedom not an issue against tax cuts but against economic growth and much more positive and uplifting and interestingly eno

i think it's time for 21st century goldwater-nichols act but really we ergen isis a new generation of threats. when you look at how our money is spent on the committee we waste a lot of it and the problem is the stakes are incredibly high. two nights ago i was speaking at the council of foreign relations in new york and i was oak is done china but i was talking about two things, chinese investment in artificial intelligence where they have set a stake in the ground and they said they will be the world leader in ai by 2030 and chinese investment and anti-satellite weapons which could completely take out the back bone of our communications and warfighting architecture. we aren't doing enough to counter these things. we are more just in fighting over whether we should buy 200 or 215 f-35's the next fiscal year when the chinese are figuring out how in a matter of 72 hours they can take out 100% of our infrastructure. i think how was the f-35 going to work without satellites? not very well and by the way what they are looking at is how do you beat the f-35 at the f. 45? we are pouring mone

was because of my philosophy, so i called the senator who had the closest election and said barry goldwater, is it our philosophy? and we became very good friends after that. susan: another question? andy: sen. leahy: i don't know. the last few elections, i have been able to pick them very well. this one, i can't get the feel. i think it was a strong sign in what happened in alabama. with senator jones with the gubernatorial race in virginia. -- with senator jones. with the gubernatorial race in virginia. but i don't know the answer. i hope it is, because i like to see our party in the majority. anna: one of the long-term issues facing the country is the deficit. not just discretionary spending by five mandatory programs. i was wondering if you could see a political coalition that would be the right kind of combination to address this. whether it is democrats in the senate and republicans in the house or vice versa. what do policymakers need to make those changes to make mandatory programs sustainable? sen. leahy: we need something like what we saw in the past within sai conservative senato

liberal republicans and they were talk to each other and they could compromise on things but since 64 goldwater's denomination they picked equally conservative bill muller and governs nomination and 72 with shriver is at the two parties had been moving steadily further and further apart so there is less room to negotiate and less room to compromise. there's occasionally when you get a democrat like bill clinton elected can negotiate with someone more right or center but traditionally the democratic party since 64 has nominated more liberal nominees with republicans have more nominated conservative nominees. it represents an honest choice to the american voter. >> host: next call is tony in winter, california. tony is not answering or responding. we are not hearing him. we will move to georgia. were going to try robert in stone mountain outside of atlanta. robert you are on the tv. please go ahead. and does anybody else -- i'm not hearing anything. i apologize something is happening there with the phones and i'm not sure what it is. craig shirley's two most recent books, citizen new, the making of

i think it's time for a 21st century, goldwater nicholls act that reorganizes our national defense to face a new generation of threats. i think when you look at how our money is spent on the committee, it's -- we waste a lot of it fighting the last war. and the problem is, the stakes right now are incredibly high. two nights ago, i was speaking at the council in foreign relations in new york, and i was focused on china, specifically. but i was talking about two things, chinese investment in artificial intelligence where they have set a sftake in the ground and said, they will be the world leader in ami by 2030 and kmchinese investment in weapons that could take out our ability to have fighting architecture. we are fighting over whether to buy a couple of f-15s and the chinese are figuring out how in a matter of 72 hours they can take out 100% of our satellite infrastructure. how do you think the f-35 will work without satellites? not too well. and by the way, what they are also looking at is how do you beat the f-35 with the f-45. we are not focused on that at all because we are just

buckley and barry goldwater and others kept their distance from that. - right. - and then, little by little, people running the republican party didn't keep their distance so much and allowed that conspirasism to seep into the mainstream, and by the way, it's not only the right. - well, there's left conspirasism, right? - sure, but it is, the bad consequences of fantasyland that i talk about politically are disproportionately right. - or at least at the moment they are. - exactly. we'll do the sequel in 10 years where the left has gone completely crazy. - it occurs to me that one great example of this or topic of conversation around this would be climate change or climate science. - [kurt] yes, yes. - where it's such false equivalency. 97% of the world believes that this is a thing, or more. 2% doesn't, we have to leave it there. - yeah, teach the controversy. - right, he said, she said. - and again, i didn't really, until i started doing the research for this book, didn't realize to what degree that was from the playbook of cigarette manufacturers. when they wanted a, as long as the

will has this -- with goldwater and without bill buckley, you will not have this, >> yes, butn ergo at the end of the day, i think occupies a relatively modern place in the economy of the sensibility. he wanted to occupy a smaller place, occupies a relatively modern place in the economy of the sensibility. he wanted to occupy a smaller place, really, because he was a small government you -- human being if there ever was one. there is a certain irony to the fact that he is remembered by as a great conservative figure he was that, but occupiey modern place in the economy of the sensibility. he was essentially a political feature that we often think about. that seems to be a verne -- a narrow description. i inched his people your point about him being a contemplative is really clear in the book where he is hesitant to put them in a , there to convene panels .s a lot of quoting in the book birthdays. >> it was sailing, a kindred activity would be the entertainment committee never sleeps. >> 50 or so. >> a dazzling political book. >> you could find this today. >> cruising speed before that.

and i also think that's a linkage between 1964 and barry goldwater. his brand of right wing populism and through the reagan years and nixon, but reagan with movement, conservatism, all the way up to donald trump. i think we see the seeds of both the democratic left and the republican right and democratic populism and republican populism to this day. >> pat buchanan, final word. >> i think that's very true. what you see is the goldwater laid this foundation with this powerful conservative movement which captured the party but couldn't capture the country and nixon picked up that movement and brought that republican party together. picked up the two pieces of the democratic party. the northern catholics and the southern protestants and created a new majority that for republicans, five out of six presidential elections after 1964 which was astounding considering the defeat then. but you're right, in the democratic party the gene mccarthy, bobby kennedy, george mcgovern wing would nominate mcgovern in '72. but i think what you've got subsequent to '68 tha

giants ,ere and goes and sees it conservative mind, think about , 51, 52, 55t steps , 56, and on and goldwater barry earlier. could be a viable force in the political arena, he choose some people to come up with new policy. collect the tolls, and in one direction, get rid of half the tolls and you be able to cut it down. it took them 30 years after that before they finally did it. hehe made conservatism respectable. he made it respectable to go on a become the debt on the united states senate. his reach was everywhere. the thing about it is he was a real human being and always an optimist. is, thext question first words i heard from you when i joined the foundation in 1979, personnel is policy. is about the movement today. if you look at the administration and ask the question, then what? is the movement still a living powerful and it is a one. >> a think the movement is very much alive. had the opportunity last week to meet with the 45 group, basically a group in the last campaign for the inaugural, but 200 people there, most of them under the age of 35 or 40, many of them products of isi, vi

he may have lost, i think he would have beat goldwater but you don't know. the they were south was angry at democratic south over james kennedy and alabama and it would have been interesting election in '64. i think kennedy stands as one of the presidents of ages. >> he has dropped, he was at street fear i can heights in 1963, he has dwindled in professional rankings and historians. 20 years ago, 30 years ago you wouldn't turn on the crown to see him depicted as bully wife-beater and basic bad guy as he was in "the crown." people tend in aftermath of death of mckinley and aftermath of death of lincoln many previously considered sins are forgotten. particularly mckinley dwindled in the '30s and '40s when progressive historians came on and my guess is kennedy has similarly dwindled. >> because the assassination, got kennedy airport and kennedy performing arts centers and kennedy awards. kennedy space center space center and did memorial to monuments to kennedy will be here a long time. so i think he remains an important president. >> i have a question for the

against big government and protesters and since this and that and in many ways the speech against goldwater in 64, he is not only angry,nl he's mostly a beginner but he continues his ideological journey and continues to see the conservatism as something as a powerful force and a child of the enlightenment and the dignity of rights and privacy of the individual which is the basis of the american conservatism and so he then begins to present the case at a much more positive compelling manner not against the government proceed them, not against issue after issue not against tax cuts but against economic growth as it becomes much more positive and uplifting and interestingly enough, because he's presenting the future and a different way, he gets the support of young americans under 30 and in 1980, theyey split under 30 crowd 43%f pc and when he is elected he gets 59% of the overall popular vote but among the voters over 30, at 67%. when he leaves office in january, the overall approval ratingng is in the high 60s but among the voters under 30 is in the high 70s. so because he is presenting a fu

policy for theav electorate, and to diffuse republican senator and presidential candidate barry goldwater charges that led to johnson was a resolute and soft in the foreign policy arena come in the quote. interestingly enough, mr. president, that author is h. r. mcmaster, president trump's current national security adviser. lyndon johnson's administration misled both congress and the american people into that war. just as the bush administration misled us into the war in iraq. and what disasters, both of those wars were. the war in vietnam nearly destroyed an entire generation of young people, almost 60,000 died in that war, and god knows how many came back wounded, in body and in spirit, almost destroyed an entire generation. yet congress abdicated its responsibilityet in vietnam as t did in iraq. mr. president, the truth about yemen is that u.s. forces have been actively engaged in support of theli saudi coalition in this war, providing intelligence and aerial refueling of planes whose bombs have killed thousands of people and made this humanitarian crisis far worse. u.s. involvement in

vessels to justify the present's policy to the electorate and diffuse presidential candidate barry goldwater that lyndon johnson was a resolute and soft in the foreign policy arena. interestingly enough, mr. pres. that arthur is hr mcmasters, donald trump's current national security advisor. lyndon johnson's administration misled congress and the american people into that war just as the bush administration misled us into the war in a rack. what disasters both of those wars were. the war in vietnam nearly destroyed an entire generation of young people, almost 60,000 died in that war and god knows how many came back wounded in body and spirit, almost destroyed an entire generation and congress abdicated its responsibility in vietnam as it did in arrack -- iraqi. the truth about yemen is that us forces have been actively engaged in support of the saudi coalition in this war, dividing intelligence, the planes his bonds have killed thousands of people and made this humanitarian crisis, us involvement in the human war has proven counterproductive to the effort against our qaeda civilians, the sta

democratic politician lyndon johnson ran an ad to scare voters about his opponent, barry goldwater.eated by media consultant tony schwartz, no relation. the famous daisy ad. ronald reagan had his iconic bear ad that scared voters about the threat of the soviet union, represented by a bear to suggest fear was rational and should animate a tough foreign policy. >> for some people, the bear is easy to see. others don't see it at all. since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? if there is a bear. >> if there is a bear. that ad is provocative because the picture's certainty, scary bear on screen, overrides any caveats from that, leaving most viewers thinking, yeah, let's be ready for the bear that's advancing on that dude. this isn't just about ads or campaigns. there's a yale study that showed people who imagine they have more physical safety found their attitudes moved left while perception of fear moved people to the right. is there a way to stop fear from controlling us? and why is fear so dominant in america right now? for answers i tur