his name was barry goldwater. and he told me when i interviewed him years later that it made a difference in the way he looked at economics. the way he looked at society. the other g.i.was a sometime hollywood actor who had him a couple pretty good films and not so good films. he read it also. his name was ronald reagan. and then i interviewed him years and years later. he said the same thing. that barry goldwater. what a difference that one book have made in the way he looked at society. way he looked at economics. the way he looked at himself. >> what was america like in 1946? >> it was a nation wanting to get back to what it called normalcy. the had fought a very tough war and won it. many people have died but hundreds of thousands had died. so the gis returning wanted to get married. they wanted to have babies. they wanted to buy a little house perhaps with the picket fence. maybe with a tire floating off the tree in the back. they just wanted to enjoy life once again after facing death during world war ii. an

you mentioned barry goldwater. not appreciating ronald reagan. interviewed him in the 70s after jimmy carter was elected president. on people believe is the man not given enough credit for what he did for conspiracy. he published in a review. he had met with ronald reagan and dragon did not care for him. russia's opinion of goldwater was he wasn't a conservative at all. why theer conservative movement, and also from the very .. >> you got a lot of the table there. you gotta tell you us a little bit of that yourself. you sound pretty connected. >> i am connected. i lived you wrote, in new york, offended interest both in how i see the decline of western civilization, i do not see anything positive for us after president trump finishes his presidency, there's only so much women can do. he's not conservative. i think the administration, . - >> why are you connected? >> clause i have intellectual integrity. i am a gentleman and i go out to meet people. >> thank you sir. a lot on the table there the edwards, where would you like to start. >> i think th

goldwater, reagan gives the speech for goldwater at a time when goldwater has no chance to win the election. he was going to lose the election. anyway,an gives it primarily because he is in debt to goldwater. but i think he also was looking for something else. his movie career had ended a while ago. his tv career had ended. i think he felt he wanted to do more. it was a combination of being true to goldwater, but also, to take a shot in being on the national stage for the first time. his big backers i think really were pushing this because they felt that if he could be exposed to the national audience, who knows what might happen? low-end the hold, he gives -- lo and behold, he gives this electric speech and raises goldwater money and people are saying, why isn't reagan the candidate? pad for himaunching to run for governor. asked,hat speech, people could he have won the primary you go although it was unlikely. >> and george christopher. frank: there was a republican --der the mayors of new york city, baltimore, los angeles and san francisco were all republican. imagine that. frank: that wa

that's what happened in 1974 when barry goldwater and hugh scott and john rhodes went to richard nixon and said you have no more support from your fellow republicans. that's what forced him out of office and that's what any president under this kind of investigation has to worry about. >> here's the problem, the damage is already done. it would be one thing if the white house checked with mitch mcconnell and, you know, mitch mcconnell was like, we can't support you on this. they already announced the doral thing. they already admitted the quid pro quo. it's already out there. so it really -- the climb back is maybe a little too little too late. it has already put republicans in a really tough position. it's emboldened democrats. i mean, regardless of what happens with impeachment, whether the president is actually removed from office or not, democrats are now armed with half a dozen examples of corruption and self-dealing that they can use in a political context going into this next election up and down the ballot. it's really a tough position that trump has already put republicans in.

stunning moment, goldwater said mr. president, i counted, and there are four very firm votes for you. i am not one of them. and the next day nixon announced he was going to resign. he was withdrawing from the battlefield, and if you look back on it, you know, 45 years ago, he has to get some credit for nothi program from senator blunt, he wouldn't even discuss the conduct of the president. >> yeah. >> brennan: he said, he didn't really mean what he said. >> he didn't want to defend them. none of them want to defend the conduct. the few who are speaking out on his behalf are attacking the process. the other side is partisan, the other side is unfair. the other side are whistleblowers and spy, all that, not talking about what the president did and whether that's okay. i did a survey if you will of a former white house chief of staff going back the reagan, republican and democrat, over the last couple days. not one of them could remember a circumstance where they solicited or accepted foreign help in the context of somethi

guest: by the time richard nixon was facing the famous republican delegation led by very goldwater, not only had support in the senate collapsed for him, but support among the american people was clearly collapsing as well. there was never such a moment and as aclinton, result of which not a single democratic senator broke ranks when the impeachment articles came across from the house to the senate, and it had the optics of a purely partisan exercise that was a total failure for republicans, both subsequently and politically -- both substantively and politically. host: asking people about impeachment even this warning. -- morning. fox news poll, most of those recording support for impeachment of the president. the washington post had a similar poll from earlier this week. how much attention should we be paying to the polls at this point? guest: they are good snapshots of public sentiment right now. trend linen is the and not the snapshot right now. not thetime and snapshot right now. we also have to look at the way the questions are worded, because some of the surveys ask about an impea

barry goldwater, i pointed out, was one of the fathers of u.s. conservatism from the 1950's and 1980's. became soy goldwater successful in phoenix, not just family'sf his department store business, which he inherited from his father, but because he and other city leaders in phoenix changed the laws to make phoenix business-friendly. phoenix in the 1950's went from being a backwater southwestern town to being an economic engine for the nation. and into the sprawling metropolitan center that you know today. for a few reasons. the first was tax incentives. business inpen a chicago,east, even in you are going to pay a lot of taxes. people in the city will tell you that they pay out the nose. phoenix, the city fathers established a system so that they could lure manufacturers to their part of the country by saying if you come here, we won't charge you taxes for the first five years of your existence, or we are going to bring down those taxes to make it affordable for you to operate your business. example, in my neighborhood, in the north part of chica

and told richard nixon that he did not have the votes in the senate to survive a trial including goldwater's the end of nixon and nixon decided that day -- >> a far cry from that now. >> when you look at the senatorial ranks which is where this will go down if there is to be a move and obviously mitt romney is the lone voice, and you have others who have criticized parts of this, right? let me talk about rubio. he has said, china posed this most significant threat and not only the economic interests of america and other democracies, but also the freedom and openness and that's his point of view and yet today he this this to say about trumpee private plea. here's marco rubio. >> think he did it to get you guys and i think he did it to provoke you to ask me and others and get outraged and others. he plays it like a violin and then he falls right into it. that's not a real request. >> okay. so evan, what he's trying to say is it totally would not be okay, but he didn't do it. is that opening the door here? at least he's not saying it's totally fine. he's just saying it was a joke. ? right. exac

there were people -- we don't normally think of goldwater as a moderate. we think of him as holding down the right end of the republican party. in fact, goldwater was a kind of mccain-like figure in some ways, he was someone who was not sort of absolutely stuck in the mud with a particular loyalty, not to the country, not to the constitution, but to a specific faction and a specific president. it would be hard to find the republican statespersons today who would go trump and tell him, mr. president, the jig is up. and it would be hard to imagine him listening. this makes this moment an incredibly perilous one. >> if we could reserve it for folks who are standing up there. if you would like to ask a question, please. >> thank you for the answer. i'll take it as two yeses. [laughter] >> i agree with you. i mean, i understand why impeachment is probably not a wise move forward, but you know, our democracy is at risk, and what do we do? prof. tribe: so, you know, writing this book was a very traumatic exercise, for me especially. i started out much more flamin

were other people, goldwater gets in the act later. she had a backing. they actually only two judges were interviewed. cornelia kennedy and justice o'connor. the president's chief of staff, said the only serious one was o'connor. at the end of the interview both ken starr and john rose went to phoenix to your house and 100 degree heat. she made us salmon mousse. and she passed her little oral quiz with flying colors. and, you know, and then, you know, she was it. she was going to be the nominee. as we get to this there was a little kerfuffle over her nomination, which we can talk about. but that's pretty much what happened as far as i know from the memo ken starr wrote. to sayt, i think i want something because what you are saying does feel so importantly with the story that justice ginsburg always tells. she's speaking later but she is always at great pains to talk about the men who supported and allied themselves and help her. just an important piece of this, you know, when he get on our sort of girl power soapboxes about the first justice, to really u

these issues as a senator and he had done it so we continue to have those discussions right until goldwater in 64 when my family went out to san francisco and the republican convention, the entire family went and dad was there and they lost and have to regroup. we literally drove back across country and stopped at rockefellers ranch so he and dad could sit on the porch and to save the republican party is going in a different direction and they have to regroup. my dad from that point on well, he didn't live that much longer but he voted for candidates were supportedss people he felt regardless of party he could support. w >> host: what year did he pass? seventy-two, he was actually 53. >> host: and the reason? >> guest: he had diabetes and heart disease. it runs on his side. adult onset type one. and he had a massive heart attack. >> host: you have two brothers. what happened to jackie junior? >> guest: jackie died in a car accident when he was 24. >> host: and he features in your book. >> guest: he does. >> host: what do you remember about him? >> guest: i loved my older brother very much a

change of england that then sat down with ronald reagan milton friedman, billy graham and barry goldwater. watching the what swept away that democratic socialist governments in washington was formed. that saved great britain much to the chagrin of the old boys the stronger partner personified by ronald reagan to restore pride and vanquish it through all of her trials through 13 years leading the united kingdom she made the journey from london to north carolina with a home center was dedicated and noted on the day that jesse helms record that the convictions were so triumphantly validated and it was so embarrassing for their critics they've been rewriting them ever since they always said yes to liberty. it wasn't easy for margaret thatcher and jesse helms to be local to the totalitarianism. senator helms used to say they don't care what the press says about me but nobody was ever neutral about either one. but that is a test the way politics should be a battleground for passion they never lost an election and they understood freedom better than their colleagues with the american freedom tha

guest: by the time richard nixon was facing the republican delegation led by barry goldwater, not only had support in the senate collapsed for him, but senate among the american people was collapsing as well. there was never such a moment for bill clinton, and as a result of which, not a single democratic senator broke ranks when the impeachment articles came across the capital from the house to the senate. it had the optics of a partisan exercise that was a total failure for republic -- republicans. host: polls coming out in a rapid pace asking people about impeachment this morning, fox news paul saying for those that thoseded, most of reporting support for impeachment. have ashington post" similar poll this week. much attention should we pay to these? guest: they are a good snapshot of public sentiment. the trendline over time, and not the snapshot right now. we have to look at the way the questions are worded, because some of the surveys ask about an impeachment inquiry and others talk about impeaching him in the house and removing him in the senate. there is more support for the se

goldwater's loss in 1954, democratic losses in the 1990s. >> is political party, you will hear predictions from some people that the republican party which in 2016, majorities in the house is about to disappear, similar predictions about the democratic party from time to time. they persist through political disaster much worse than either party has suffered currently. republicans in 1932, democrats in 1920, they emerge as competitive in a decade and they overcome third-party challenges of considerably greater significance than we have seen with ross perot in the 1990s. there is something fundamental, enduring character of these two parties has provided an avenue for people, the political population has always been diverse ethnically, culturally diverse, racially diverse, religiously diverse since the beginning of the republic and even when there were british colonies. >> host: you write the following, quote, both parties have changed their policies adapting to economic and demographic circumstances and signaled in the political marketplace. both parties are in the process to provide a cong

done it, so, you know, that was -- we continue to have those discussions right until the -- until goldwater. >> '54. >> my family went out to san francisco. >> republican -- >> republican convention, the entire family went and dad was rockfeller and they lost and they had to regroup and we literally stopped off at rockefeller's ranch so he and dad could sit on the porch and say the republican party is going in a different direction and they met and regrouped and then my dad, you know, from that point on, he didn't live that much longer but he voted for kennedy, people he felt regardless of party were -- >> what year did he pass? >> 1972. in october, he was actually 53. >> and the reason? >> my dad had types diabetes and heart disease. he had a massive heart attack. >> you two brothers. >> yes. >> what happened to jackie, jr. >> jackie died in a car accident when he was was 24. >> what do you remember about him? >> i remember that he was -- i loved my older brother very much and i remember he struggled, he struggled from a young boy, he struggled in school academically. >> he struggled being

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margaret thatcher sat down with ronald reagan, billy graham and barry goldwater. a blueprint that swept away the democratic socialist governments, london and washington. that is the chagrin of the old boys in the old party. to restore american pride and vanquish soviet tear anybody in all of her trials, all of her trials through 13 years in the united kingdom she never forgot the role played by jesse helms. she made the journey from london, monroe, north carolina where the helms center was dedicated in april 2000 and she noted on that day that jesse helms's record is a freedom fighter for the west is unmatched. and conviction so triumphantly validated and circumstances so embarrassing for his critics that they have been rewriting them ever since. senator helms always said yes. and putting forth the tide's global totalitarianism. senator held used to say they don't understand, i don't care what is progressive about me. no one was ever neutral about either one of them. that is a testament to what politics should be. not a tussle of banalities but a battleground of p

you know, barry goldwater walked in with, you know, the republican leadership and said, look it's over, we're not going to defend you anymore. and so, you know, if you have to game out right this second, do i think it's incredibly difficult to think that 20 republican senators are going break with the president? yeah, it seems unlikely, but first of all, i think that -- i think some will. i don't think they will get no republican votes. and i think that, you know, there's a lot more that could potentially come out. i mean, whatever rudy giuliani was doing seems very sketchy, and you've got all of these ambassadors coming in now that clearly are providing evidence that i think republicans are probably very nervous about. again, mick mulvaney saying yes, there was a quid pro quo, if that continues, i do think at some point, you know, despite all of the sunk costs into trump, republicans are going to want to maintain some shred of credibility and may just say, you know what, maybe it's time for president mike pence. it's just all gone too far. but clearly we're not there yet. so it's goin

helms's office margaret thatcher sat down with ronald reagan, milton friedman, billy graham and barry goldwater, the forging of a blueprint that swept away democratic socialist governments in london and washington was formed. much to the chagrin of old boys and her own party. she set an example that the stronger partner personified by ronald reagan to restore american pride and vanquish soviet tyranny but in all her trials, in all of her trials through 13 years leading the united kingdom she never forgot the role played by jesse helms. not in robust health she made the journey from london to monroe, north carolina where the helms center was dedicated in april 2000 and as she noted on that day that jesse helms record as a freedom fighter for the west is unmatched, his conviction so triumphantly validated in circumstances so embarrassing for his critics they have been rewriting them ever since. the senator said yes, liberty. margaret thatcher and jesse helms, global totalitarianism. senator helms used to say they don't understand. i don't care and neither does mike but no one was ever neutral abo

goldwater had carl bernstein and myself up to his apartment. he got out the whiskey and then he got out his personal diary. it was august 7, a couple of days after the smoking gun tape was released. he and the republican leaders went to meet with nixon alone in the oval office and they said -- we are going to let barry goldwater be our sport -- our spokesman. nixon said -- how many votes will i have in the senate? i know i will be impeached. stunning moment when mr. ildwater said "mr. president, counted, there are four very firm votes for you. i am not one of them. the next day nixon announced that he was going to resign. he was withdrawing from the battlefield. if you look back on it, you know, 45 years ago, he has to letting credit for not the war go on. our question this morning, asking you about your view of impeaching the president and the lessons of impeachments past. bite numbers are split a differently this morning. if you lived through the nixon impeachment effort, (202) 748-8000. if you lived through the clinton impeachment, (202) 748

famously, barry goldwater is asked by president nixon whether there were the votes on a potential article and he said yes, mr. president, there are and frankly i would probably vote for it myself. i do want to suggest the republicans and the nixon period were eager to impeach nixon are they were always rigorously neutral, they were not. but they behaved as we would expect american-statesman to behave. facts,re interested in they were prepared to make hard judgments even when against their own political party. help thatat least congress in present day might take a lesson for those guys. impeachmentory of in the age of trump, mark bowman -- frank bowman is joining us. west virginia, good morning, ed. caller: good morning. it sounds to me as though the democrats are investigating the president for impeachment. can even get their appeal. host: let me stop you. --t republicans guest: despite what you are hearing from some of the president's defenders, what are going on in the closed are hearings are that all of the members of the committee doing the investigation are present, if they want to b

gop, and there will be 20 plus senators saying i can't take this anymore reminiscent to what barry goldwater did in the 70s calling richard nixon saying look, no mas. you got to go. that is the reason why he is pressurized. >> one very powerful republican lead leader who has been willing to take on the president is the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell until now. he came out publicly against the president's decision to withdraw from syria and allowing turkey to attack the kurds. more on that straight ahead. you want to stay tuned. and as always there is rudy. rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. cnn reporting exclusively that giuliani tried to get a u.s. visa for ukraine's former top prosecutor who was pushed out of his job in 2016 at the behest of western leaders including then vice president joe biden. doing it for failing to aggressively pursue corruption. giuliani told he promised to reveal dirt on democrats and biden and his son. when he was denied a visa, giuliani tried to bypass official channels and get president trump to approve it. vintage rudy giuliani. the one man shadow f

he studied russell kirk as sort of the basis of his goldwater.t's hard to watch pence six years prior to trump and watch him now, because it's such a major pivot. yeah, it's such a change from where he was just a few years ago. >> tom lobianco, thank you for being with us. >>> a manhunt for a shooter who killed four people in a kansas city bar. we're on the scene. ♪ introducing a razor that works differently. the gillette skinguard has a guard between the blades that helps protect skin. the gillette skinguard. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture now might not be the best time to ask yourself are my bones strong? life is full of make or break moments. that's why it's so important to help reduce your risk of fracture with prolia®. only prolia® is proven to help strengthen and protect bones from fracture with 1 shot every 6 months. do not take prolia® if you have low blood calcium, are pregnant, are allergic to it or take xgeva® serious allergic reactions, like low blood pressure trouble breathing; throat tightness;

during watergate eventually republicans whether barry goldwater or howard baker and others standing upthe power of nixon saying he lied and also in nixon years had a state department with william p. rogers and henry kissinger. they wouldn't have damaged the state department as an institution and become a henchman for the president. and pompeo did this by lying saying he wasn't on the phone call with the ukrainian president, he is no longer credible in the public arena as secretary of state. >> a phrase from that era, credible gap, coming into play as well. douglas brinkley and carl bernstein thank you for your time and expertise. >>> for attorney general barr, t the development that he might need to recuse himself. stay with us. so i can buy from enterprise car sales and you'll take any trade-in? that's right! great! here you go... well, it does need to be a vehicle. but - i need this out of my house. (vo) with fair, transparent value for every trade-in... enterprise makes it easy. >> vo: my car is more than four wheels.y? it's my after-work decompression zone. so when my windshield br

margaret hilda thatcher sat down with ronald reagan, milton friedman, billy graham, barry goldwater. and the forging of a blueprint that swept away the democratic socialist governments in london and washington were formed. thatcher saved them much to the chagrin of the boys in her party. the personification of ronald reagan, restore american pride and vanquish soviet tyranny. in all of her trials, in all of her trials, through almost 13 years leading united kingdom, she never forgot the role played by jesse helms. not in robust health. she made the journey from london to monroe, north carolina, when the helms center was dedicated in april of 2000. and as brian said, she noted on that day that jesse helms' record as a freedom fighter for the west is unmatched and convictions so triumphantly validated and circumstances so embarrassing for his critics that they've been rewriting them ever since. as she said, senator, no, always said yes, liberty. it was not easy for margaret thatcher and jesse helms to stand to thwart the tides, global totalitarianism and yell stop. senator helms used t

plus senators who will say, i can't take this anymore, reminiscent of what harold baker and barry goldwaterled richard nixon and said, look, no mas. you got to go. that's what will eventually happen, and that's the reason why he's pressurized. i really wish the white house press would ask him what was in it for him personally to do what he did in the kurdish situation and the withdrawal of those troops because there's nobody in the national security complex that can understand that. and you know i've been to afghanistan. i've been to iraq on troop support missions. >> okay, okay. >> a good understanding of the region. why would he do that? what was in it for him? >> what do you think the answer to your own question is? >> i -- i don't know the answer. i think -- i think the answer is something that's very scary, and we try to normalize situations because it's the office and the institution of the president. but i think -- >> i've never known you to hold your tongue, anthony. you say it's a scary answer. what is it? >> i think there's a personal conflict of interest there that goes beyond th

i saw something about margaret in 1950 and gary goldwater urged nixon to resign.ut for their count raary and i'm confi their constituents will force them to do that. >> he said basically this needs to be from constituents up and once they realize their constituents are moving unthat direction they will as well. >> and i can understand those republican senators who get that the president's fury and vengeance knows no bounds, no limits and now we know no law. so they're afraid of him. but i want them to be more afraid of their constituents who will force this issue for their next reelection. for their careers and i hope for their conscience. forcing them to do the right thing while we can still do the right thing. all that is lacking is the political will. so when this comes to a vote for impeachment in the house and it moves to the senate, it's at that moment i hope they authorize challenge and fulfill the proms of the constitution that see the high crimes the president has kmuted. >> part of the pushback is that house hasn't talk an full vote to authorize the impe

. >> with the candidacy of senator barry goldwater, the republican party is on their way back.ay even go forward. >> the insensibility was more tame in a sense. more controlled. more dry. it was witty but wasn't really challenging the power structure. >> our top story tonight, president ford is finally over that stubborn week-long cold -- >> stubborn week-long cold! >> before "saturday night live," everybody was so schmaltzy, "saturday night live" was the first show that came along that had a sensibility of people who had grown up on tv. it was making fun of tv. >> this idea satirizing the news, we needed it. vietnam was going on. we'd just been through watergate. the idea we could laugh at the people making the news is a pretty nice formula. >> let's take a look at the top story, shall we? >> anwar sadat buys himself an inflatable child. this story and more coming up on "weekend update." >> "weekend update" initially was about irreverence. it was about a middle finger to the powers that be. >> for on the spot report, let's good live to lorraine newman at the blaine hotel. >> i

barry goldwater sat down with richard nixon and urged him to resign.i'm confident their constituents will force them do that. >> senator blumenthal was on earlier and said this is something that has to come from the bottom up, from constituents up and once members of congress realize their constituents are starting to move in that direction, they will as well. >> that's right. and i can understand those republican senators who get that the president's fury and vengeance knows no bounds, no limits and now we know no law. so they're afraid of him. but i want them to be more afraid of their constituents, who will force this issue for their next reelection, for their careers and i hope for their conscience. forcing them to do the right thing while we can still do the right thing. the evidence is absolutely clear at this point. all that is lacking is the political will. so when this comes to a vote for impeachment in the house and then moves to the senate, it at that moment that i hope they rise to the challenge and hope to fulfill the promise of the countr

. >> i think senator goldwater's a fine man.ate in '64. 1864. >> von meter had come out with a record called "the first family" in which he parodied jfk. but it was still a new thing to make fun of the president at all. >> he's doing my gestures and he's using my lines. do not ask what this country can do for you. that's one of my original lines. >> i listened to mr. meader's record but i thought it sounded more like teddy than it did me. >> there's something very charmingly american about this idea that we really respect our political figures but at the same time we also kind of like to take them down a peg. >> gerald ford was like a football player, like he's like a really great athlete. but in the public's mind, once chevy started doing gerald ford, i mean, try getting that toothpaste back in the tube. >> i do have two major announcements to make. oh, no problem, no problem. no -- >> as a kid, i didn't know anything about president ford. i thought, oh, he's a clumsy idiot. >> no problem. >> chevy's ford, there was no attempt

senators who will say, okay, i can't take this anymore, reminiscent of what howard baker and barry goldwater did in the '70s and called richard nixon and said, look, no mas, you got to go. that will eventually happen, and that's the reason why he's pressurized. >> one very powerful republican leader, probably the most powerful, who has been willing to take on the president is the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, until now. he has come out publicly against the president's decision to withdraw troops from syria, allowing turkey to attack the kurds. much more on that straight ahead. you want to stay tuned. and as always, there is rudy, rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. cnn reporting exclusively tonight that giuliani was trying to get a u.s. visa for ukraine's former top prosecutor viktor shokin, who was pushed out of his job in 2016 at the behest of western leaders, including then-vice president joe biden. giuliani has told cnn that shokin promised to reveal dirt on democrats, including biden and his son. when the state department denied shokin a visa, giuliani tried to bypass offi

. >> who is the barry goldwater type? who is that? is that mitch? >> a lot of people think it should be mitch. but does mitch see himself in that role? >> we know there are a handful of constitutionalists if that's what you want to call them who voted against the president's emergency order at the border, for instance. they showed that they were willing to buck him on that. it's a question of are they willing to go that far on something of -- what's such grave consequences. >> richard burr. >> that's an interesting one. he's also -- if i'm not mistaken, he is a self-term limiter. i think he has hit his own max on that one. heidi, michael, ruth, stick around. president trump says his syria decision was a great success. but for whom? we're going to live to syria next. r whom we'rgoe ing to live to syria next th diabetes, why fingerstick when you can scan? with the freestyle libre 14 day system just scan the sensor with your reader, iphone or android and manage your diabetes. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you can

may sily say we've got to approach the president and do as was done in the early '70s with senator goldwater and congressman john rhodes and say thers just no way out. it may come to that, depending on what's turneup by the inquiry. >> woodruff: what about that,s chskirk? >> yeah, it won't come to that. there's no way that will happen right in front of rian election. everybody will want to fight this out on political turf d let voters decide. whatever comes out of any inquiry, that seems to be the healthiest way for the republic to decide this tter which is make everything public, we know let voters decide in 2020 whichn way they want the country to g >> woodruff: and i want you to weigh in on this, senator flake, get at here, chris buskirk, is if there is a place -- and we don't know if, at this point, this is it -- for a president to be removed by impeachment and conviction, you're saying -- mean, how can you be so confident that it's the wrong thing to do, then? >> is that to me or to senator flake? woodruff: to you. to me. i mean, look, if the accusation is based upon the transcript of t

caller: this is going to end up as a moot question partly case,e unlike the nixon when goldwater andlican -- it iswent to him, going to be an impasse and there is no support in the senate. the whole thing will be wasted. unfortunately, there will be the reelection and foreign powers will be executing this on all the misinformation. russia is enjoying it. putin is having a dance party and america is getting nowhere. host: kathy in arkansas, public and mine, go ahead -- republican line, go ahead. caller: i don't know why it is so important that this one person's opinion, joe biden, a former vice president thanks, not just one part -- thanks, not just one person -- thinks, not just one person. shouldn't joe biden have an opinion? caller: he should. it is the public's opinion. host: the former vice president making those comments in new hampshire. >> he should be impeached, not only because of what he has done. own words, trump's in the texts from state department officials that have been made public, we see it in the united states government into his schemes, his appointees. we have to

smoking gun tape was released, and nixon wondered how would he do with the senate republicans, and goldwatercounted, and you have only four very firm votes, and one of them is not mine. the next day nixon announced he was resigning, so to get to this point of what is the trump government, who is trump, you can't just look at one path. you have to look at all. >> you know, mike pompeo, by the way, right now is in a press conference in italy. he's admitted finally to being on that phone call and actually said that the purpose of the entire phone call was simply to help ukraine push back against corruption in that country. if we have any other news worth reporting from that press conference, we will, of course, have our fact checkers look at it first, and then get it to you. so bob, judging from what you said and also our past phone conversations, you don't believe that a phone call and the president's words will be enough to move a sufficient amount of republicans over to the side of convicting even if the house does impeach president trump. >> i think that's right. i mean, so much of this wit

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goldwater came later on. they were exposed to all this. >> if you look at support for the impeachment inquiry, the trend line is moving, not in a direction that favors trump. the more information that the american people have, the less that it smells like roses to them. and it's hard to -- neil: but there's a difference between national polls and individual state polls. >> i can show you numbers that say target states that republicans are targeting that impeachment is not popular in 17 states. >> we also have not had the public phase of this process. so i think that's when we are really going to start to see that penetrate. when we are all talking about it and we actually have to weigh what was done as opposed to process arguments and circus rodeos with crashing confidential scifs and all the drama that is done to distract. >> i have to make one point. we have already all been talking about this. i think sometimes when you are on cable news sets and this is what you do, you lose sense of what the people are t

barry goldwater said the jig is up here. >> the question of what will the leadership of both partiesight now? they will both be telling different stories to the american people. there will be narrative that the trump presidency put out. there will be a narrative the democrats put out. the side that will be able to persuade more people will be the side that tells the more believable story. i think the mueller report didn't provide a story. what i mean by a story, somebody can sit next to somebody in a bar, somebody can sit next to somebody on a television set, this is what president trump did that violated the law, violated his oath of office, not just using those words, explaining what he did. bring the framers back in what they said about impeachment. this could be a time we learn the about country again. those of us who are historians, as terrible as it is we know it is one of those moments we'll look back to oldham mill ton, jefferson. i like that. neil: you're talking about 50 years out. we live in culture, 50 minutes, maybe 50 days now and then. you think of the next election. p

that turned when republicans turned, howard baker, you mentioned him, famously barry goldwater, who ultimatelystep down. we are a long, long way from that. but there are those who say that, you know, that's the kind of stuff that can transpire in hearings where they dig and dig and dig and all that. no idea where this goes. but play that out. >> well, remember where it played out with nixon. turned out there was this recording system in the oval office and we had the release of the famous tapes. does anybody think that there's a recording device in the oval office today and there are a bunch of tapes locked away in somebody's safe? no. and not only that, but you know, there was something at the heart of watergate. there was a break-in of the democratic national committee in the watergate building authorized by officials of the president's re-election campaign, then there was a subsequent knowing coverup including hush money that was paid. do we think that's going on now? there's absolutely no way. what are we concerned about today? what -- neil: real quick. >> headlines. pompeo confirms he was

famously, barry goldwater is asked by president nixon whether there were the votes on a potential article he said yes, mr. president, there are and frankly i would probably vote for it myself. i do want to suggest the republicans and the nixon period were eager to impeach nixon are they were always rigorously neutral, they were not. but they behaved as we would expect american-statesman to behave. facts,re interested in they were prepared to make hard judgments even when against their own political party. help thatat least congress in present day might take a lesson for those guys. impeachmentory of in the age of trump, mark bowman -- frank bowman is joining us. west virginia, good morning, ed. caller: good morning. it sounds to me as though the democrats are investigating the president for impeachment. can even get their appeal. host: let me stop you. --t republicans guest: despite what you are hearing from some of the president's defenders, what are going on in the closed are hearings are that all of the members of the committee doing the investigation are present, if they want to be, i

the price tag associated with i didn't think it was possible she makes joe biden look like barry goldwatermuch he wants to spend virus success how much she wants to spend. he is starting to drop and she is surging but she is still far, far behind him with african-american voters. particularly in the state of south carolina which is an early primary state. she hasn't done well with that demographic. hence why i you see her introduce this environmental justice plan spends a trillion dollars on minority communities. steve: she is doing very well when it comes to fundraising. i have read stories here in new york city. papers say wall street while they might say yeah, we are going to support the democrat, if it were between elizabeth warren and trump they would vote for trump because they don't like what she would do to their industry. >> that's right. two prominent democrat donors quoted anonymously in the "the washington post" said they would sit out the election if elizabeth warren is the nominee. steve: stay tuned. just getting started. rachel, thank you for joining us today. >> thank you.