but not barry goldwater.he ones that follow him in the 70s who basically come out of the nixon defeat should say the nixon resignation, they have a completely different although a lot of the same people, they have an entirely new organizing tactic. that's basically the take things people are angry about and use them as leverage to get them into the conservative coalition. it is very much a process. a lot of these issues are the 1960s social liberation issues. one of the guys said it's the achilles heel of the liberal democrats but he means gay rights, he means abortion, pornography, people in the grassroots in middle america really angry about the stuff. they don't really think of them as political issues. we are going to politicize them, we are going to organize a route them. it's a huge part of occult organizing discontent how they build a coalition that can basically do what goldwater failed to do but succeeded in 1980. >> now, people like me, i am a millennial socialist. a lot of us, people in the democra

the goldwater campaign that rigging goes. two reagan stands up and says, now let's, quote, make love to democrats. we don't want to win a convention, we have to win an election. he gets booed in the room for saying that. that's where his focus is, how do we sell this message to his broad a group as possible. i think today, in our fractionalized universe, that set of questions is one that politicians don't have to ask themselves. they are really thinking that through, how do we bring as many people on board with these ideas as possible, that will force you to come to the more important questions of how do we create a broader governing coalition to make this stuff happen. >> chase, how are you gonna make things happen today? >> one way to make them happen is for my fellow republicans to stop saying that they are fed myers of ronald reagan and start acting like ronald reagan. what i mean by that is any number of practicing politicians today will tell you with all sincerity that ronald reagan's their idol, their load, start their

get firsthand what these problems are and that's exactly what happenedin the goldwater nichols . two years but when themembers of the committee truly understand the nature of the problem , it's don't solve the problem for people before they know they have one. so once they do that i think he's right. they will act because in their heart of hearts they really want to do the right thing. but they got to focus on the big picture. >> here here. let's hope they use your asp blueprints, as a starting point for thatlegislation . i'd taken notes, i ascended to the hill to report you to but otherwise we can just go to your great bodywork including the fighting force. i extend my congratulations to you on a tremendous work will contribute i think greatly positive changes in national security going forward. thank you for joining us today thanks to our audience for attend" is a wet interview program with guest hosts interviewing top nonfictionauthors about their latest work . >>. >> host: i'm so excited about this conversation

that's exactly what happened in goldwater nichols. when the members of the committee on both sides of the aisle truly understand the nature of the problem, don't solve a problem for people before they know they have one, so once they do that, i think he's right. i think they will act because in their heart to hearts they really -- they want to do the right thing but they have to focus on the big picture. >> let's hope, here, here. let's hope they use your book as a blueprint as starting point for that legislation. i've taken notes, i will point to commissioners but otherwise we can go to great body of work including the shrinking fighting force. congratulations to you again on the tremendous work that will contribute greatly positive changes in national security going forward. thank you, senator talent for joining us today and thank you for the audience for attending this event. >> 20 years ago on september the 11th, 2001 two large commercial air lanes flew into the world wd trade centers in new york city. flight 77 crashed into the p

unlike goldwater, reagan did not mince words. by the time he was ready to announce his campaign for governor he was still warning republicans of what he called a lunatic fringe. his words. it was gaining influence inside the party. he would embrace the groups philosophy as was typical, ronald reagan had a deceptively simple response. quote, it would be my intention if i would see public office to seek the support individuals by persuading them of my philosophy, not accepting there's. everyone got the message. they are not us. reagan would stand up for the truth, not bend to it for political benefit. almost instantly his words were being echoed all over washington. people got it. the top republicans and house and senate called a press conference that reagan and buckley could not have scripted better themselves. they provided leadership for strength. ten years ago in this library, i told you that real leaders do not follow polls. a change them. reagan's rejection of extremism was an example of that idea. because his election for go

unlike goldwater, they didn't mix words. by the time he was ready to announce his campaign for governor, he was mourning the republicans about a lunatic fringe, his words. that was gaining influence inside the party. as to whether he would embrace the group's philosophy, as is typical ronald reagan, he had a simple response. quote, it would be my intention, if i seek public office, to seek the support of individuals by persuading them of my philosophy, not of accepting theirs. everyone got the message. they aren't us. reagan would stand up for the truth, not bend to it for political benefit. almost instantly, his words were being echoed over washington. people got it. the house and senate called a press conference that reagan and buckley couldn't have scripted better themselves. they provided leadership through strength. ten years ago in this library, i told you that real leaders don't follow polls, they change them. reagan's rejection of the extremism was a stern example of that idea, because in his election for governor, h

unlike goldwater, reagan did not mince words. by the time he was announcing his run for governor, he called it a lunatic fringe that was gaining influence in the republican party. asked if he would influence the group's philosophy, like ronald reagan, had a simple approach. quote, it would be my intention for seeking public office by persuading them of my philosophy, not of accepting theirs. everyone got the message. they aren't us. reagan would stand up for the truth, not bend to it for political benefit. almost instantinstantly, his woe being echoed across washington. they called a press conference that reagan and buckley couldn't have scripted better themselves. they provided leadership through strength. ten years ago in this library, i told you that real leaders don't follow polls, they change them. reagan rejection of birch's extremism was that idea. in his election for governor, he attracted people that didn't usually vote republican. he won by nearly a million votes. he understood that telling the truth, standing up to lie

no reagan without goldwater. goldwater's nomination took over the republican party and reordered it, reoriented it a conservative direction. no goldwater without the national review, which took it upon itself shortly after being founded in 1955, to lure goldwater -- in fact, trap him -- into running for president. and no national review without a spark in the mind of a young yale graduate named bill buckley. therefore, buckley has won the cold war, and, therefore, is the most consequential journalist of the 20th century. qed. >> you're one of the remaining columnists that has both a direct personal and intellectual lineage to buckley. but the conservatism that you espouse is very different than the conservatism that is broadly understood, either by the public or, frankly, the political class today. and you write your previous book, quote... how is the current iteration of the conservative movement departed from the conservation of the founding principles? >> well, if you want to know what conservatism isn't, star

goldwater thereafter did so very cautiously, to cautiously. he found himself defending them, buckley was angry. answer -- ronald reagan. they wrote a letter of critique and a strong hearing in california than california. they did not mince words. by the time he's announced ready he's announcing campaign for governor, a lunatic fringe, his words. a typical ronald reagan a simple response. it would be my intention if i seek public office for the board of individuals by persuading them not of accepting the nurse. everyone comes the message. reagan would stand up for the truth. >> you can see the entire speech at the reagan foundation tonight here on c-span2 10:30 5:00 p.m. eastern. antony blinken testifies on the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan tuesday before the senate foreign relations committee. beginning 10:00 a.m. c-span, online at c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio app. next, joint chiefs of staff, general john talks about security challenges facing the u.s. military including withdrawal of u.s. troops from afghanistan and threa

against the united farmworkers , and friends with terry goldwater, against unions in general for his department store employees. he was a mexican/american republican in arizona. that also defied all of my expectations of what a latino conservative would look like. to the extent we know anything about latino conservatives, it's about the cuban-americans and cuban exiles in miami, florida. so having this example both in my grandfather and this mexican american department store owner, gave me a census was a much bigger array, more widespread, more deep than i had known about. i think the combination of those two things, my grandfather's example and my ongoing arguments with him about politics in this conservative department store owner in tucson is what set me down the road. >> host: i guess i should've set up a little better leading up to 2020 general elections estimated 32 million latinos were eligible to vote in a presidential election. that was the most ever and made latinos the largest voting bloc after non-hispanic white. in more than african-americans. historically we know latino

so much for the goldwater rule. this isn't subtle and these are just some of the phrases that could be picked to make the same point. alexis nexus doesn't keep transcripts for all fox news shows. but the theme is clear and consistent with the russian disinformation campaign deployed against biden in 2020. look, biden and trump are america's two oldest presidents. that's a fact. but there is a fundamental difference between opponents making accusations and a president's own aides and appointees repeatedly warning of a dangerously unstable and unfit man in the office. a president who represented a threat to national security. what is striking is how trump's hard core supporters believe they know their man better than the people who actually know him. they seem willing to follow him past facts to the point of idolatry. this has real implications for our democracy as a new cnn poll shows a 54% of republicans believe there is solid evidence biden did not legitimately win the election. there is, in fact, no evidence to th

senate, goldwater said he could not find one vote for nixon, including his own if it went over to the senate. nixon resigns on the 9th and i think, though, when he called his staff in the next morning, as he was leaving, he got it. he understood for at least a fleeting moment what had gone wrong. and i think this clip kind of captures it. >> it's only the beginning, always. the young must know it. the old must know it. it must always sustain us because the greatness comes not when things go always good for you, but the greatness comes when you're really tested. when you take some knocks. some disappointments. when sadness comes. because only if you've been in the deepest valley, can you ever know how magnificent it is to be on the highest mountain. and so i say to you on this occasion, we leave. we leave proud of the people who have stood by us and worked for us and served this country. we want you to be proud of what you've done. we want you to continue to serve in government if that is your wish. always give your best. never get discouraged. never be petty. always remember others ma

in 1964, he decided to support barry goldwater. his belief was that johnson was doing in the support of the civil rights movement what lyndon johnson was doing in his support of new government programs were creating too many restrictions on the freedom of individuals like himself. reagan did not oppose civil rights but he opposed the federal government getting too involved in people's lives. lilting their ability to live as they wish. send their kid to school where they want to send them. work where they want to work. he saw lyndon johnson and others as overregulating the economy. overregulating society. he became in a sense, the first major celebrity to get elected to office. goldwater did not win in 1964, but reagan was elected governor of california in 1966. he actually defeated the most recent california governor, jerry brown, he defeated jerry brown's dad, who had been governor before. yep. >> i hope you'll like it. carly wants me to tell you that she likes your shirt. >> oh, well, thank you, carly. thank you very much, carly.

he'll later be a speech writer for barry goldwater.ablishing the ideological template for conservative republicanism which we'll come back to the fore in the 1960s. what's happening in this piece then is basically the re-articulation of a libertarian philosophy. he argues, on 197, that the competitive price system is indispensable. it's a return to like 19th century ideas about the state needs to be out of the economy. in this regard, he's influenced by this guy, frederick hayek, austrian economist who formed his ideas about the need for the price mechanism to be the center of economic activity in vienna where he was very upset by riot s on the street, as people were trying to imagine a more socialist viennese politic. in the 1930s, he leaves vienna, is brought to the london school of economics. now the london school of economics wants some big-time economist to build their econ department, because they're in the shadow of cambridge, where keynes is. they're like, we need to hire a rival and they hire hayek in the late 1930s. who publi

barry goldwater didn't win in 64 but -- 66. he actually defeated the most recent california governor, jerry brown, his dad, who had been governor before. >> this is a comment. i hope you like it. karley wants me to tell you that she likes year shirt. >> thank you currently. you and i do a lot of blue on blue. i >> yes but i think i surpassed you today. >> that's a higher quality shirt that i saw. >> it's wonderful that you mentioned this because this, this was actually brought to me by my relatives in india. so i'm wearing my indian internationalism in a really stylish way. right? now eddie what about your shirt? >> i mean it's been a while and no one has commented on my shirt. it's very summary. >> it's jungle-y, doesn't it remind you of the jungle? at first i thought it was camouflage. you joined the marines. camouflage on there. got a speed on style because it's important to me. >> he's doing the facial hair. can you not grow it? >> i strange looking guy in the mirror, the weirdo. but anyway, there is a real pleasure. i like

tom: congressman, i want to go back to barry goldwater. conservative arizona is different than the jacksonian we see in the southeast where most of this covid disaster is going on. the difference between your conservatism and what we see in places with 14% infection, places where we have 80% of icus taken out. >> that's a brilliant question. the conservatism for my community is more what we would call libertarian it. leave me alone. let me try to prosper for my family. it's much less -- it's months less of what you would see as the southeast in other places where their version is more of a notice live economic freedom. it's why you see some interesting diverse population associate with the republican party out west, which is not on the east coast. i have a very large republican jewish committee, something you don't see in other parts. lisa: when you talk about conservative, it's taken on a new meaning. i wonder if the conversation has changed about what it means to be financially free at a time of dominance of big companies. borrowing mone

was a year in england. 1964 i was voted class politician in high school because i spoke out for goldwaterhen i graduated in 68. one of the things that we heard one parent talk about and this is for more affluent families, they took their kids to the soviet union. and, the old soviet union. take them to cuba. take them to a socialist country and see how dreadful it is. how lack of freedom of speech and religion and if you cannot take them there, read about it. one of the things that i like to deal, even with the littlest kid, they see people marching through mexico coming to the border. coming to america. why are they going to venezuela? it is closer to where they live. socialist paradise. why are they not going there? because they are coming to a free country. in many ways, we have to fight to keep it free, but looking for examples like that to stoke up some passion in them. sometimes it will make them so angry, but i do think that they have to encourage it. sometimes just get your grades, don't worry about it. we will not keep this country free. everybody who has a belief and does not pa

mike lee of utah once to sit at barry goldwater's desk. there was a time of peril in 1964. it as a kid. this peril, how do you perceive it worked out across both parties? robert: the mike lee example is such a prism into the gop right now. it was presented with the eastman metal, john easement presented a memo to senator lee about throwing out some electors on january 6 come about searching for alternate electors. lee finds this is not the case. he does a lot of reporting on his own to prove -- to probe the eastman memo and finds there is no such thing as alternate electors. but this man, eastman, was in the oval office on january 4. this is something that was actively going on. pay attention to the action. what are people doing and saying? tom: i can go to your time at cambridge. let's swing to the democrats and look at their peril. i would suggest these democrats are remembered only by bob woodward in washington, pre-obama, pre-clinton. is this fractious democratic party like way back or is it something new? robert: there's a scene in the book where president biden looks

goldwater confronted nixon, the titan of conservatism at the time, who was the nominee in '64. now in 2021, you have someone like senator graham who we show in the book based on the reporting knew it was all fraud about the claims of election fraud. but he is also asking president trump to rehabilitate himself politically, come back, carry the republican party on your shoulders. there is such little political capital and sometimes even will among top republicans to speak out against president trump, to counter him in any way. >> bob woodward, i want to come back to something particularly haunting in the book. on page 416, there is this passage "had january 6th -- >> sounds like you really read it. >> i did read it. i have read all of your books. i have to say, i love this collaboration with robert costa. but i want to ask you about this, i want to ask you what you think milley means here. >> had january 6th been a dress rehearsal. quote, what you might have seen might have been a precursor to something down the road. what is he talking about? >> milley is talking about history.

wade while the wife of libertarian icon in 1964 nominee barry goldwater co-founded planned parenthoodw what's the opposite of libertarian, having the government encourage people to turn in their neighbors but that's essentially what the texas law so-called bounty hunter provision does and incentivize citizens to sue any person who helps a woman longer than six weeks pregnant seek an abortion from doctors and nurses to neighbors and even drivers. and get a minimum of $10,000 in return. that seems more east german s strks asi than walker texas ranger and republicans the party of lawsuits at least where women are concerned but these eye-popping hypocrisies are part of a post trump span. claims of fighting for individual freedom turn into anti-translaws. claims sporting free markets lead to threats against private companies for not towing their partisan line and claims for fighting for election integrity lead to the kneecapping of local election officials make election administrations more susceptible to partisan pressure. they're in favor of government mandating morality just not when it

in the essay in 1964, in the wake of berry goldwater and the idea of the john burke society, he's writingabout this and writes about conspiracy in the 1860's. fact that the monarchs of europe and the pope of rome are plotting our destruction and threatening the extinction of political, civil and religious institutions, we have the best reasons for believing that corruption has found its way to chamber and head tainted with the infectious venom of catholicism. there was a conspiracy against the united states but from the pope and already infected the presidency. there are many things that you can probably say about franklin pierce but i don't think that he was a pawn of the pope, right? also communist, joe mccarthy in the 1950's how can we account for the present situation unless we believe that man high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster. this must be a product of a great conspiracy on a scale that dwarf any press such venture in man. the biggest in the history of man and this is eisenhower who won world war ii is actually a secret pawn of the communist, if not ei

johnson and goldwater, the republican, and the democrat, running for president, are both advocating the maintenance of america's position in vietnam. and i emphasize this, for the sense of the fact that overwhelming what americans assert in their public lives, what their politicians were telling them, what their politicians believe, was that the war in vietnam was justifiable and necessary. now, johnson hammers this home, in february, 1965, after that play coup incident, that incident in which for the first time american marines had targeted and eight of them were killed in the role protecting the american air base in vietnam. he goes on national television to really make the case, not just for a resolution to allow the united states to move forward, but to tell the american people, because of the aggression by the north, north vietnam, because the defense of south vietnam is necessary, we're going to have to start escalating our commitment militarily to the republic of vietnam. south vietnam. and he gives a kind of litany of what to americans seem compelling reasons. one is we promised

this essay from 1964 in the wake of barry goldwater and the idea of john birch society, he's writing about this, but he's also going back in history and writes about conspiracy in the 1850s. this is from a texas newspaper in the 1850s. it is notorious fact that the monarchs of europe and the pope of rome are, at this very moment, plotting our destruction and threatening the extinction of our political, civic and religious institutions. our executive head is tainted with the infectious venom of catholicism. so in the 1850s there was a worldwide conspiracy existence the united states, but it's from the pope, and it has already infected the president. there are many things you can probably say about franklin pierce p but i don't think that he was a pawn of the pope. right? also communists. this is joe mccarthy speaking in the 1950s which is how can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster. this must be a product of a great conspiracy that would dwarf any such previous venture in the history of man. s