so he approached barry goldwater. and knowing that goldwater was considering running for president in 1964 and said the goldwater look. we should do this together. and push back on these people and if we do so together, i think we could have a real impact on the party. so let's i'll write the first editorial. in the national review and then you write a letter to the editor to the national review supporting the editorial. goldwater agrees and and buckley writes a 4,000 word editorial. the national review about why the john birch society is so bad for america and so bad for the republican party talks in depth about the anti-semitism and why that's so bad. goldwater was this out? no other way to put it. he starts to get pressure back. from john birchers inside the republican party. he's worried that if he does this he won't win the nomination in 1964. and so he writes back a very very short week. letter to buckley which is nothing like what they had agreed upon. so buckley decides that he's not going to publish it at fir

nixon backed barry goldwater very strongly. he traveled with them for months but the rest of the rip on people leaned more towards nelson rockefeller who emerged as counterpoint to goldwater. big state digs governor big spender progressive wing of the party. >> the interesting thing that i hadn't thought of romney. >> he was the governor of michigan and his father -- george romney was a person who never finished college and he was born in mexico but he was someone who wore his heart on his sleeve. he was a very passionate person and he was a scrapper. wind he was running for governor he would wave at the opposition parties and jump into the trade union meeting or at the democratic board. his poll names or explosives. he appealed to the evangelicals. but he had a very strong appeal. for a while romney was riding high. there were extraordinary files of research but he always wanted the nomination. iraqis say he famously or infamously came back from vietnam from a trip to vietnam and observed -- but he changed his view because whe

goldwater ran you may remember goldwater's speech at the convention or the most famous olines was extremismof liberty is no vice. jthat is directly john bert's language. and he lost monumentally. in fact is a little historical note barry goldwater was the last republican to lose county for president until donald trump in 2020. from 64 -- 2024 for every esrepublican candidate. they rejected goldwater and they rejected trump in 2020. i did not put it in the book because i didn't really care about that historical comparison but this audience will. and i think it says something about the comparison that we are making. it is an p interesting chapter o place the chapters that follow into context which is where queuing on or pizza gate or the election conspiracy. we are not in a unique time. i hate when i hear them say we are in the most dangerous timetr in the history of the country. we are more divided than live ever been in our history. i did someone say that abc one day and george came to me and i said i don't know. seems to me the civil war withno the time we are probably more divided then we

goldwater was his out.way to put it he gets pressure from those inside the republican party he's worried if he doesn't he will not win the nomination. so he writes back a very very short and week response which is nothing they agreed upon so buckley decides he will not publish it at first it goes to somebody else to see who has credibility in the conservative movement if he would backup buckley so he went to ronald reagan who at that time was not even an elected official. he gave a speech in 1864 on behalf of goldwater early on. called the rendezvous with destiny and reagan had become a very popular figure in the movement because of the speech he was elected two years later as the governor of california that reagand stood up and wrote day long and it passionate letter as a former democrat as to why he thought the birchers were not somebody we should be embracing inside the republican party and it absolutely did the trick. goldwater ran you may remember his speech at the convention was one of the most famou'

goldwater starts to get pressure back. he is worried he won't win the nomination and 64 and so he writes back a very short letter to buckley which is nothing like what they agreed upon so he decides he's not going to publish itse at first and he gos to somebody else to see who has that ability in the movement to see if he will back him up on this. at that time he wasn't elected. he had given a speech and 64 on behalf of goldwater entitled rendezvous with destiny and reagan had to become a popular figure in the movement because of the speech. he would be elected two years later but reagan stood up and wrote a long letter as a former democrat as to why he thought they were not somebody we should be embracing and it did the trick. goldwater ran and you may remember the speech at the convention one of the most famous lines was extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. that is directly. and he lost monumentally. in fact the little historical note, he was the last republican to lose for president until donald trump in 2020

oppositional research on barry goldwater. and this has been taken from 1968. when i wound up being head of delegate intelligence for nelson rockefeller's presidential campaign, where we built files on all 1333 delegates to the convention. i was working for their social associations. i had to find out what their interests were -- for foreign policy or defense or health care. and so that's when i was working in. as i say in the book, he had a glow. nelson was a schmoozer and who was not particularly articulate, but going back to romney, romney had real feelings about religion and such. and nelson rockefeller would occasionally try to lumber through that sort of thing. he had what we called the bomb fog speech. it was not very successful. but he was at the same time a builder, he was a strong personality and figure. and he had really very muscular in new york and he was a case in point of a republican who wanted to do things with and through government. >> richard norton smith seems to be becoming the leitmotif of this evening. but he had this rockefeller -- as w

we had the goldwater syndrome where a conservative could not win. many republicans supported planned parenthood under the population control movement. herbert walker bush supported plan parenthood. phyllis schafly changed it to a conservative party. there is a lot of layers to the abortion policy. abortion is now in the states. we saw what happened in kansas. host: joe from tucson, you are on with the times martin di caro . caller: you said there martin and you want to p.r. my leg and tell me i am raining. you bring up january 6 but you don't bring up the summer of love where i watched day after day businesses being burned down and cops getting hurt. why don't you ask some of them people whether that was worse? january 6 or the summer of love? does donald trump bear responsibility? what about maxine walters? people going to republicans and restaurants and spitting in their face. host: joe, i think you got your comparison. guest: i agree all of that behavior is disgraceful. i don't like to compare thing. the writing that took place in 2020 was regret

reporter: the for baracl -- ronald reagan there was barry goldwater and before barry goldwater there was a national view which made the possible and before that there was a spark in the mind of a young graduate named bill buckley. bill buckley won the cold war. >> host: that's consequential. >> guest: it's a pressed version. ideas have consequences and filmed consider of ideas is it accessible and fun and brought the spirit of the cheerfulness to the business of political argument. when barry goldwater i first presidential vote in 1964 when he first went into politics i think he was running for the city council of the knicks in 1948. he wrote a letter to his brother and it said it might be fun. it turned out to be like for him but it certainly was fun. >> host: howow do you see it? >> guest: first of all writing about it is fun. i love to write. i'm a compulsive writer. highway 100 columns a year andoo i'm always writing books but i happen to like politics. like a lot of politicians i dislike some other attributes. i'd mired the business. we have to have politics and we have to have

before there was goldwater was national review that made the nomination in 1964 possible and before there was national review there was a young yale graduate. and therefore bill buckley won the cold war. >> that's consequential. >> that's the compressed version but i did that had consequences, building conservative ideas accessible and brought up a lab and a spirit of cheerfulness.to the business of political arguments. >> how important is the fun? >> went very goldwater might have my first vote in 1964, when he first went into politics i think hewas running for the council in 1948 . he wrote a letter to his brother that said it before life and it might be. >> it turned out to be pretty much for life but it certainly he brought me to do something else. >> first of all, writing about is fun. i love to write. i'm a compulsive writer. i can't stop. i write 100 columns a year and i'm always writing books. but i happen to like politics. i like a lot of politicians. i dislike some of them and dislikes some of their attributes but i admire the business. we have to have politics. we have to

his s nomination for president on the republican ticket ironically then the goldwater campaign which was managed by one of the most prominent presidents of this institution n, locked buckley out of the campaign so he was afraid goldwater would be associated with the national review and bill buckley but that kind of political energy also expressed itself in his early friendship with ronald reagan. and even got to the point later in his life where he was willing to intervene, buckley that is in democratic primaries. or support democratic candidates including one joe lieberman senate of connecticut in order to get rid of the original me tooer i came of age at the tail end of this so i started the austrians in college and friedman and grew up reading bob bartley stages. and i had a conservative professor who gave me his issue of national review, i didn't know what it was but y it was in the late 80s in college and he said i think you should take this and you should i'll just give you my copy when i'm done with it. and then i just consumed it and really talk to the national review so if y

he played a big role in the goldwater campaign and barry goldwater's nomination mr.onservatives nomination for president in the republican ticket. tal mironically then the goldwater campaign which was managed by one of the most promise presidents of this institution he was afraid without political energy express itself in his early friendship with ronald reagan. and even got to the point later in this life heey is willing to intervene buckley that is in democrat primaries. support democratte candidates in order to get rid of me too the original may 2. next i came of age at the tail end of it. in a group reading pages.t in econ prof gave me his issue of national review but i did know what was said i think you m should take this. i'll give you my copy when i'm done with it. and i consumed it took it too. you are a young budding conservative in the late '80s the path you took. this was the movement you came into. we have o different movements le this in different times when people are coming of age in the movement. and i think buckley of all people dominated for two or

when senator goldwater and the other leaders of the republican party in the senate went to advise the president of what the temperature was in the senate, goldwater said he could not find one vote for nixon, including his own, if it went to the senate. nixon resigns on the ninth. i think though, when he called his staff in the next morning as he was leaving, he got it. he understood, for at least a fleeting moment, what had gone wrong. i think this clip captures it. >> it is only a beginning, always. the young must know it. the old must know it. it must always sustain us. because the greatness comes when -- not when things go always great for you, but the greatness comes when you are tested, when you take some knocks, some disappointments. when sadness comes. because only if you have been in the deepest valley can you ever know how magnificent it is to be on the highest mountain. and so, i say to you on this occasion, we leave, we leave proud of the people who have stood by us and work for us and served this country. we want you to be proud of what you have done. we want you to contin

barry goldwater, he chised the john burke strategy away. at this point they see the reverse.hind wrapping the republican party's arms around a hand grenade? >> it's not brain logic, it's psychic logic. obviously it doesn't make sense. obviously the right thing is to build out and go towards the middle. the out party, the part of the non-president can talk about meat prices and fuel prices there. 's a terrible crime problem in the country that got worse because of the tens of millions of guns that were acquired during covid so they have issues, and since the president's name is on the door you blame the president and the psychic reality is if you feel under throat and shoved to the margins people can sometimes embrace their marginalization and that's what's sglapg in your state, katie hobbes, you're running for governor, but it's a full slate race. as i see it. it's either all of you who are in the world of reality are going to win or all of the magas are going to win. it's hard to imagine a split-ticket voter who says i'll take finchem and katie hobbes. i'll take the two of y

we see even goldwater and other people make a point of saying we're not our democracy, we're our republicd of several months, where proactively, i would hear grassroots activists, just volunteered the notion that, hey, we're not a democracy, we're public. it became clear to me overtime that what they were trying to say was not just to win some scholarly point, but instead to say that democracy had become in their eyes on defendant object, something that inured to the detriment of america, something that they knew and they love that they wish to push back against. so, again, i realize during my time in arizona that what i happened upon was this kind of anti democracy laboratory that i had not expected existed in america. >> yeah, because what is striking about your piece, and the quotes in it, right, is there is a certain line of laughed progressive critique of the right, which basically says that as the country has grown more diverse, as it's grown -- as it's moved away from the centered citizen being a white man, a white christian man, a woman, that the people who adhere to those identit

this is a state that swung from all the way from the goldwater republican all the way to being a bluete right now in terms of its representation in the united states senate so what do you make of this idea that the republicans are still taking the knee and essentially nominating people who are so far on the trump wing that they could actually make it bluer. >> i think that the term is shand frayed, joy, which is democratic delight, right? but at the same time i think we -- it's important to step back and look at this in the context of america. we're a two-party system and if one of those parties is hopefully broken and populated by people -- i'm not even kid when i say this. people running for the governorship in michigan who are former stars of vampire web tv series and played characters eaten by zombies. tudor dixon is the first up i'm speaking of in michigan for the republican party, that's a problem for democracy. if you have a two-party system and one party doesn't work, that makes it very hard to get the business done, and when you look at the landscape of some of these people,

so he was afraid he was afraid goldwater would be associated with national review in bill buckley. but that kind of political energy also expressed itself in his early. friendship with with ronald reagan and even you know got to the point later in his life where he was willing to intervene buckley that is in democratic primaries. or support democratic candidates including one joe lieberman for senate in connecticut in order to get rid of me too were yeah the original me tours little biker republicans. yeah. yeah. i came of age at the tail end of this. so i studied the austrians in college and friedman and grew up reading the bob bartley's pages and and my i had a conservative econ profit who gave me his issue of of national review. i didn't know what it was and i never know it existed. it was in the late 80s in college. he said i think you should you should you should take this and you should and i'll just give you my copy when i'm done with it every week or and and then i just consumed it and really took to the national view. and so if you're a young budding conservative in the la

berry goldwater, mr. law and order republican candidate couldn't trust the fbi because they bugged phones in his campaign office and put a spy in his campaign office to work for lyndon b. johnson. not being able to trust the fbi as as old as it is funded and the republicans have discover that had distrust and that's a good thing. for mike pence to go out and do this carefully crafted message and everything he does is carefully crafted and put himself on the side of law enforcement after five years of lying to the american people about donald trump, about nuclear secrets and working with the russians, that's just a bad place to be. i'm not sure what his lane is to president. james: okay, we'll have to leave it there. next up the biden border crisis on a record breaking pace with immigrant illegal arrests expected to hit 2 million this year but bun of our panelists says it may turn into the solution of one of our country's biggest problems. we'll take that up next. this is xfinity rewards. our way of showin

with john mccain, who had been arguably the most important figure in arizona politics since barry goldwatersona non grata, and anyone who associates with him by the senses of today's arizona gop. >> you say that the state is well regarded -- regard it as magenta, the lightest shade of red. in some places, where the contest is most closely fought, counter intuitively have noticed that is led to the some of the most radicalization. which is a paradox for arizona, which carry lake and the other folks that are gonna be on that statewide ticket, i mean, they are fully pro coup, avowedly pro coup is the only way to accurately characterize their views on the 2020 election, and i think even more broadly about democratic legitimacy. >> yeah, summit and shunning carry, like who is the gubernatorial nominate knee, and who is a extremely polished performance artist given there -- she has among the most extreme views i've ever encountered, of every major candidate in recent republican party history. she is not just an election denier, she is covid denier, she's this whole guns in glory, talks about the

, i'm still a law and order conservative. >> you're too young to support barry goldwater.sador, one of your jobs was to work in the justice department. you brought this up. you're a justice department alum. talk to us about the standard procedures for handling a case like the search that happened at the former president's house. i understand that's not a standard case. but in terms of people asking why isn't the fbi, why isn't merrick garland out there making public statements about an ongoing investigation, you worked at doj, give us a window into what that thinking might be. >> well, i think it is absolutely correct that the normal practice of the department is that it does not comment on pending cases or investigations. the department speaks when it makes filings in court. and when its lawyers appear in court. that's the practice, that's the rule. that's the way it should be. however, there are times and i think this is one of them when the fundamental integrity of the justice department, the fbi in this case are being called into question, and there is an obligation to

barry goldwater, mr. ordered republican candidate can trust the fbi because they bug phones in his campaign office and on his campaign plan and put a spy to work for lyndon b. johnson, not being able to trust the fbi is essentially as it's founded the republicans have discovered that lack of trust because the rating political opponents that is a good thing and for mike pence to do this carefully crafted message like everything that he does is carefully crafted to put himself on the side of law enforcement after five years of lying to the american people about donald trump, secrets of working with the russians, that's a bad place to be i'm not sure what his name is the president. james: we will have to leave it there, next up the biden border crisis is on a record-breaking pace with illegal immigrant arrest expected to hit 2 million this fiscal year but whatever if you have age-related macular degeneration, there's only so much time before it can lead to blindness. but the areds 2 clinical study showed tha

and have a strong proponent barry goldwater and ronald reagan.ery pro- law and order anti- hippie so she embodies this ideology in so many ways that's the john wayne that evangelicals came to know and love. we all know he is the icon of american masculinity but then we go from there. >> but in the formation of the evangelical identity but just how front and center but first it was to read the popular books and evangelical masculinity and of course and coming out in the nineties. with the most popular books and just running up against from the vietnam war so we thought that was significant so we came to see how the vietnam era was a critical juncture in american history and then just to assert power in the context they were staunchly anti-communist it was perfect but they were not alone like sow, many other americans that is the postwar "leave it to beaver". and as their celebrity things were greatnt in the fifties and the sixties with the civil rights movement the them in this movement and the antiwar movement and more and more americans are ques

former senator barry goldwater's wife was a founding member of planned parenthood in arizona. former senator prescott bush, george h.w. bush's father, was pro-choice and supported planned parenthood in connecticut. new york governors nelson rockefeller to george pataki, who was your contemporary when you were governor of new jersey, were all pro-choice. the roe decision itself was a 7-2 decision, which included five justices who were appointed by republican presidents. what has happened to that tradition in the republican party? >> money and the fact that we stopped voting in primaries in the way that we should, "we" being everybody, but particularly republicans, obviously. when you only have a 10% turnout, and that's what the average has been until recently -- 10% turnout of eligible voters in the primaries, that means you have the most partisanand they tend to be a little bit on the extremes. and for a republican running in some of these districts, they have to worry. they don't worry about the general election because the way the districts are drawn, they just worry about t

>> because barry goldwater captured the republican party before that was national review from 1964 wasade possible and before national review there was a spark in the mind of a young yale graduate named bill buckley thing that he won the cold war. [laughter] that is the best version that ideas have consequences and fill me those ideas accessible and fun.si to the business and political argument. host: how important? >> terrific when i cast my first presidential vote in politics running for the city council and 1948. it might be for life and it might be fun if it's not fun then do something else i write 100 columns per year that i happen to like politics like a lot of politicians i dislike a lot ofib them and their attributes we have to politics we have to government and laws and therefore argument the whole culture of democracy is from culturere persuasion and the argument if you don't like the argument but then the difference between five. host: honey focus on making the argument because. >> what seems earthshaking today is really not. [laughter] because if you look back and they all

and he was a strong proponent of conservative politics, of barry goldwater, of phyllis valvely and is of his close friend ronald reagan. he was quite racist and is very pro-law and order, anti-hippie, right? and so he embodies this ideology in so many ways, and that's the john wayne that evangelicals over time really held up. in eric metaxas' words, we all know john wayne is the icon of american masculinity. that's just taken for granted and then we go from there. >> thanks. you those that the vietnam war was a, quote, a pivotal moment in the formation of an emerging evangelical identity. could you say a little bit about that? >> yeah. i -- that was one of the surprises. first was reading these popular books on evangelical masculinity the. i discovered a whole lot -- [inaudible] in the 2000s and the remarkable success of his book, of course it would, and and then there was a whole literature from the 19903s, some of the promise keepers movement, so i looked at some of the most popular books there and was able to, i just kept running up against many of these books opened with themes fr

screen he did so offscreen as well and he was a strong proponent of conservative politics, of barry goldwater, phyllis schlafly and his close friend ronald reagan . he was quite racist and very pro-law and order. anti-the. so he embodies this ideology in so many ways. and that's the john wayne that evangelicals overtime came to know and love and how that in eric texas's words, we all know john wayne is the icon of american masculinity. that's just taken for granted and we go from there. >> you know that the vietnam war was a little moment in the formation of an emerging evangelical identity. could you say a little about that? >> that was one of the surprises in researching this book just how front and center the vietnam war was at my first one was reading this popular book and evangelical masculinity i started saying what else is out there and i discovered algorithms started a whole lot of otherbooks in the 2000 and the remarkable success of his book course , there's a whole literature that i come up with in the 1990s with the promise keepers mmovement so i left out some of the most popular b

in 1986 i believe the famous barry goldwater decided not to run again and john decides to seek that seat and you go to washington and maybe john told me this once but i must have forgotten or maybe didn't but the first couple in congress and the senate to invite you to their home with jill and joe biden. why do you talk about that a little bit. >> guest: it was actually in the house because john had travel with joe on trips as his liaison and yes they were the first couple to invite us in and that meant a lot to me because i was very shy and it was a bit like drinking from a fire hose to live in washington d.c.. it was a steep running curve and i was grateful for their friendship and they were very nice and very kind to me. it was the kind of thing you don't forget because you become great friends. as you know this town is a company town and in this important that you make friends and keep friends especially the same town you're working in and hopefully our readers will figure out the senate family is how i would consider it our very close-knit family so to be able to not have just them

my dad stood in line for goldwater all day to vote for him and goldwater was wiped out.er if americans have gone the way of the 1984 san francisco democrats. >> gold rotter would be considered a republican in today's republican party. they are in a capsule by themselves, almost like a space shuttle going around the earth. they are 100 miles up there and just removed from reality. >>> i don't know if you would agree with me or not, the subplot in this election is the number of states and republican candidates who are literally spending most of their time talking about the past. talking about the 2020 election and the rigged election, in their minds, in 2020 two what might happen in the fall in november. this election is rigged and the democrats do it all the time. >>> the contentions problems that everyday americans live with like food prices and gas prices. how much of and impact will that have on who wins the senate? based on the fact that one party, the republicans, are so far removed, in general, from reality. >> of course, this has nothing to do with conservativism.

three of them, barry goldwater and john rhodes of arizona went down to the white house at the end and said, sir, you have two choices. you can resign now one step ahead of the sheriff or go to the senate and lose dramatically in which case not only are you never able to hold an office but now the courts will go after you big time. and so he resigned. and today donald j. trump continues to thumb his nose and his supporters support him including members of the senate, people who know better. they're afraid and they're cowards. and history will show it. >> well, and that leads me to the next question, sam. i know you have been speaking to this already. let's delve into this further. president biden recently met with historians who warned him in recent days that our democracy, the american democracy is facing an existential threat on the level of the civil war or world war ii era fascism. what can we in the media do to better lay out the stakes for the american people and i guess i heard you say you were confident in the american people. is that what it boils down to? we just have to have

>> well, i looked up today to see what the majorities were that linyndon johnson had over barry goldwater, a year after the assassination of john kennedy. the 1965 senate with 68 democrats to 30 -- wait a second. yeah, 32. 68 democrats to 32 republicans. he had a two-thirds majority. in the house it was 295 democrats to 140 republicans. a to-thirds majority. this president has had a two or three-vote majority in the house and really an even senate with the vote, as you saw yesterday, of vice president harris putting him over the top on a reconciliation bill. so, you could argue, ail though the legislation wasn't as significant what johnson did, but to pull this off in a 50 senate and floor vote majority in the house is pretty darn impressive. whether that translates into higher approval ratings for joe biden, i think that's questionable. you know, i think there are a lot of issues that people have with joe biden. not least of which is his age. you know, i think a lot of people think, thank you, be you did a great job. maureen dowd had a fascinating article in "the new york times" yesterda

. >> to that point, cpac is a conservative political action committee, they brought us barry goldwaternow viktor orban, mike lindell, steve ban non, election deniers, conspiracy theorists, liars. the question is how do you win the fight.non, election deniers conspiracy theorists, liars. the question is how do you win the fight. liz cheney may lose her primary on august 16. her father who represents the conservative republican party spoke at cpac itself, this is part of the fight. >> our nation's 246 year history, there has never been an individual who was a greater threat to our republic than donald trump. he tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power. a real man wouldn't lie to his supporters. he lost his election and he lost big. i know it, he knows it, and deep down i think most republicans know it. from what will it take, how many cycles will it take? obviously the denying part, the conspiracy theorists are winning at the moment when/if how do the more principled republicans -- >> i think that liz cheney is in trouble in her primary. she could

barry goldwater, bobby kennedy, hubert humphrey, george mcgovern, george wallace who runs through so much of the 1960s. he talks about supreme court justices, a general or two, and talks about the -- we are so see it with the 60s. dr. martin luther keane junior, malcolm x. but if there's one thing that animates my sense of the pass, my sense of myself as a historian, i also really believed that ordinary people are central to history too. ordinary people who we don't know help us understand the past in a new way, and ordinary people in the american past changing this nation. and so alongside all of those famous people who run through the shattering, what also try to do is tell the stories of ordinary people. what i want to do today, i just want to tell you for stories. and this is the first one. this is the 4th of july, 1961. on the 6100 block of west any street in the northwest corner of chicago. the day before, and cahill in his neighbor, clarence mitchell, draped their block in 38 flags. that is a lot of flags given that there are only 36 houses on the entire block. and ed, being e

it deals with those people who tried to become president barry goldwater bobby kennedy hubert humphrey george mcgovern george wallace. runs too so much of the 1960s talks about supreme court justices. it talks about a general or to talks about the towering activists. we associate with the 60s, dr. martin luther king jr. malcolm x but if there's one thing that animates my sense of the past my sense of myself as an historian. is also really believe that ordinary people. are central to history too? ordinary people who we don't know help us understand whose names. we've never heard of help us understand. the past in a new way an ordinary people in the american past change this nation. so alongside all those famous people who run through the shattering. but i also try to do is tell the stories of ordinary people. what i want to do today. so i just want to tell you. four stories and this is the first one. this is the fourth of july 1961. on the 6100 block of west eddy street in the northwest corner of chicago the day before and cahill and his neighbor clarence mitchell draped their block in

the framework of it being the party of barry goldwater, john mccain and juicy as of lace.o see, my pants, they came out for karrin taylor robeson, the establishment candidate. this group is not sure if she would be able to pull it off. and that is still out. there is still a lot of nerves here. they do not know what is going to happen as these results are to come out. again, very early in the night. the first election results. some positive signs there. but again, very very early. >> i hope you got the job already, because you're going to need it, kyung lah, think you very much, kyung lah joining us from arizona there. thank you very much, i appreciate it. listen, we've got, i've got my dream team here on the set. and we are going to continue to talk about what's happening. we are going to take a quick break, so. when we come back, january six news tonight. a source confirming a cnn, to cnn that a federal grand jury investigating january six has subpoenaed former white house counsel pat cipollone.e. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] discover is accepted a

hubert humphrey and barry goldwater, having a drink, teasing the heck out of each other but then agreeingd when they did, they came together, it always passed. >> and those kinds of relationships, do they exist now? >> no, they've, there's a few but less and less. when i bring out congressional delegation out of the country, i always trying to have both republicans and democrats across the political spectrum. i've done that with the work in vietnam to help normalize. i've done it with the leahy war victims fund and it's amazing how quickly you fly on a long plane trip, you sit around talking, you find so many areas where you're in agreement. we don't do enough of it. there's too many meetings of just republicans or just democrats. >> you are a well-known photographer, you had the access of course. you don't use lights. you just sort of fly on the wall. some of my favorite picture, first of all the beautiful picture of vermont. >> that's how i see it, right off our front steps of our home, we live on a dirt road, we look down the valley. that's a beautiful spot. >> all of the leaders, fide

long been known as the arizona republican party, meaning the framework of it is the party of barry goldwater, john mccain, and doug ducey, as of late. ducey, mike pence, they came out for karrin bottone, the establishment candidate. this group is not sure if she would be able to pull it off. that is still out there still a lot of nerves here. we do not know what's gonna happen as these results start to come out. again, very early in the night. the first election results. some positive signs there. but again, very, very early. >> we got the job ready, because you are going to need it. thank you very much, kyun, joining us from arizona. we appreciate it. listen, we got to get my dream team here on the set . we're going to continue to talk about what's happening. we're going to take a quick break, though. when we come back, generally 6th news tonight. >>> a source confirming to cnn that a federal grand jury investigating generally sixth has subpoenaed the former white house counsel , cipollone. a tt from my sister. you remember rick, her neighbor? sure, he's the 76-year-old guy who still runs m