there wasas goldwater saying the are some good people and are some kooks in it.ut we want to keep them inside the republican tents.ar they are door knockers, they are volunteers, they are donating, they are giving us energy. it is votes. if you fast-forward to today you can say it that thinking in the republican party continued for decades with the tea party for instance. donna benard embraced the tea party when the tea party was saying barack obama when he was present at this point, was a secret socialist muslim who want to destroy the american economy so they could impose addict tatian a chance for dictatorship it evident on fox news saying barack obama wanted to set up concentration camps and death panels and jon weiner, sailor sarah palin and others were d going on that show and invalidating this pack of nonsense. they welcomed the tea party into their midst because they were votes. jon weiner indeed got elected house speaker because of tea party. it is a direct line from excepting the kooks and 64 for the presidential campaign to jon weiner accepting the tea

nixon backed barry goldwater very strongly. he traveled with them for months but the rest of the rip on people leaned more towards nelson rockefeller who emerged as counterpoint to goldwater. big state digs governor big spender progressive wing of the party. >> the interesting thing that i hadn't thought of romney. >> he was the governor of michigan and his father -- george romney was a person who never finished college and he was born in mexico but he was someone who wore his heart on his sleeve. he was a very passionate person and he was a scrapper. wind he was running for governor he would wave at the opposition parties and jump into the trade union meeting or at the democratic board. his poll names or explosives. he appealed to the evangelicals. but he had a very strong appeal. for a while romney was riding high. there were extraordinary files of research but he always wanted the nomination. iraqis say he famously or infamously came back from vietnam from a trip to vietnam and observed -- but he changed his view because whe

with all this assistance, goldwater secured the nomination in '64.ceptance speech at the convention that year, he famously thundered that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vise. lbj used the embrace of extremism to thrash him in the general election. republicans struggling with the strategic question about how to embrace the crazy in their party trying to keep the conspiracy theorists inside their base happy because they don't want to risk alienating them and losing their support, that's what allowed the democratic president in 1964 to make that election a referendum on republican extremism, which led to a landslide victory for democrats that year. history doesn't ever repeat itself exactly. it only ever rhymes, but this is a time when the history of political parties self policing the kooks among them feels really prescient, and the sort of easy elevator length history about the way we remember these things isn't always subtle enough to get us to the truth of the hard decisions that were and weren't made back in the day which can be a lesson

dean birch goldwater's met running the republican national committee, out of forgiving attitude aboutdiscouraging votes. it says allen's all, a prominent 1930s fascist and christian nationalist an antisemite, was a full-time staffer in goldwater's campaign headquarters. that would be 1964. dean birch goldwater's met running the republican national committee, out of forgiving attitude about all this, we're not in the business of discouraging votes. they were though in the business of exploiting the anger of extremism. ross walton, a had, mantas crowd the campaign's strategy for reaching voters, we want to just make the mad, make their stomach turn, turn this latent anger and concern which now exists, build it up and son subtly turn and focus it. and david on the next page you see how they focused it. barry goldwater running against lyndon johnson for president where lyndon johnson is being called racist and horrible names because these people summoned up the anger through their ads and their campaign unfocused it. so that story about what we have seen donald trump do as you tell here h

lbj used goldwater's embrace of extremism to thrash from in the general election.tegic question of how to embrace the crazy in our party, trying to keep the conspiracy theorists inside their base happy because they don't wanna risk alienated them, losing their support, that is what allowed the democratic president in 1964 to make that election or a referendum on republican extremism, which led to a landslide victory for democrats. history doesn't ever repeat itself exactly, it only ever rhymes but this is a time when the history of political parties self police in the kooks among them feels really prescient and the sort of easy elevator length history of how we came up with these things isn't always subtle enough to get us to the truth of the hard decisions that were and weren't made back in the day, which can be far from where we are today. all the's to say i'm really happy his new book is coming out tomorrow is called american psychosis is gonna be on chris hayes show tomorrow night to talk about -- gonna have him on a couple weeks to talk about it but again hist

i think it is important to note in 1964 very goldwater did not lose that election. -- barry goldwater did not lose that election. it took 16 years to count the votes. [applause] president reagan showed us the way. no pale pastels meant no ambiguity. a shining city on a hill. government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem. tear down this wall. in other words, love of country, fate, and family. respect for freedom and free enterprise. and strong defense of american exceptionalism. to date the answer to the question what does the republican party stand for is harder to answer but it is a question we must have a really good answer for because the republican party is a party worth fighting for. for me and i will start with a pretty basic question, why am i a republican? the answer is pretty simple. i was raised that way. the values were instilled in me right from the beginning. i was raised in toledo, ohio. my dad was a cop, my mom stayed at home. my grandparents lived pretty much down the street. we were midwestern and middle america. family was everything and th

i remember talking with both senator scott and senator goldwater about that. they said they were just heavy hearted. we they knew they meant their party was losing its president. and but it was the only thing that could be done. it should be done. and back when they were asked by the press came out and said, well, we had we had a conversation with the president listening to them. and quiet cloakroom discussions. i realize hy heavily weighed on them, but they both told me there's nothing else we could do if if we shoulder our duty as first of all, senators, republicans necks. but first, as senators, we had to go down and tell richard nixon that contrast that, if you would, with the experience that we've seen most recently with president trump and his two impeachment trials, one of which you you presided over. how would you compare and contrast that with the nixon experience? oh, it's night and day. i know a number. senators have told me. yes, he's guilty, but he's not going to be convicted. so i'm not going to vote for his conviction because i'm up the next yea

goldwater was opposed to slamming the group.s wanted to excommunicate the birchers from the conservative movement. they announced the leader of the john burton society but not the society itself. the national review blasted the leader's views as car -- as far removed from common sense but called the john birch society a home of dedicated anti-communists. when goldwater ran for president , birchers donated and volunteered for him. goldwater secure the nomination in 1960 four. that is an example you pulled out from the 1960's. tell us what you think that teaches us not just about how the republican party moved in this way but how it got us to where we are today. guest: it is interesting to me because you see barry goldwater, who was extremely conservative, the hero of the conservative movement and became a presidential nominee in 1960 four running against lyndon johnson, he is saying the birchers, the john birch society, a far-right groups, saying in essence that communists had taken over everything, the u.s. government, ptas, uni

goldwater was opposed to slamming the group.ers wanted to excommunicate the birchers from the conservative movement. they announced the leader of the john burton society but not the society itself. the national review blasted the leader's views as car -- as far removed from common sense but called the john birch society a home of dedicated anti-communists. when goldwater ran for president , birchers donated and volunteered for him. goldwater secure the nomination in 1960 four. that is an example you pulled out from the 1960's. tell us what you think that teaches us not just about how the republican party moved in this way but how it got us to where we are today. guest: it is interesting to me because you see barry goldwater, who was extremely conservative, the hero of the conservative movement and became a presidential nominee in 1960 four running against lyndon johnson, he is saying the birchers, the john birch society, a far-right groups, saying in essence that communists had taken over everything, the u.s. government, ptas, u

dean birch goldwater's met running the republican national committee, out of forgiving attitude about were though in the business of exploiting the anger of extremism. ross walton, a had, mantas crowd the campaign's strategy for reaching voters, we want to just make the mad, make their stomach turn, turn this latent anger and concern which now exists, build it up and son subtly turn and focus it. and david on the next page you see how they focused it. barry goldwater running against lyndon johnson for president where lyndon johnson is being called racist and horrible names because these people summoned up the anger through their ads and their campaign unfocused it. so that story about what we have seen donald trump do as you tell here has been building and getting refined for many decades in the republican party? >> yeah, i'm glad you picked up on that. the book is essentially a history of the dark side of the republican party, and i show, i was kind of even surprised to find this when i was doing my research, that since the early 50s the republican party has consistently encouraged a

when barry goldwater and hugh scott, john rhodes came to him right at the end in august 1974 and saidr president, you have not got the votes in the senate and goldwater said, i am not sure i'm going to be one of them either. at that point, what did nixon do? >> he did not call a mob to washington, he did not have a rally on the ellipse and storm the senate, he resigned his office. almost as though we are discussing the peloponnesian more, it's so long ago. in political time. those institutions held. again they held so far, but there are frail and fragile infallible. and we often pay as much attention as possible. >> i find fascinating that you say these might be the most consequential midterm elections since the civil war. how so? what are you expecting, what do you mean by that? >> in 1862, we are a nation at war. abraham lincoln has bravely both rejected compromise in the secession winter of 1860 61. there was an entirely rational deal on the table to preserve slavery, extend the missouri compromise line and just kick the can down the road. which is what we had done again and again

barry goldwater and richard nixon cutting a deal with white supremacists.l wul and others were saying gay people want to kill other americans. john boehner and the tea party, sarah palin. it's always been there. demagoguing and dehumanizing, vilifying the other side. i think what we see if you look at it through this long stretch is it's gotten deeper and more intense. if you go from sarah palin to the tea party to trumpism and as the republican party has accepted and encouraged this part of its base, it's thrown it out sort of bloodier and bloodier, red meat until donald trump comes along and says, i know what you want. i'm not even going to bother with the other stuff, ideology and policy disputes and debates, i'm just going to give you the straight up red meat and you listen to what the tea party people said that john boehner authenticated and validated in 2009/2010 that barack obama was a secret socialist, had a secret plan to destroy america and oppose a totalitarian state and glenn beck talking about concentration camps and death panels. if you condit

now, barry goldwater got killed in a 64 election, and trump lost the last election.16. i think what they see is a significant part of their base are people who believe these far out ideas. and if they need to bring them into the tent -- they used to call these people the kooks, and the 60s. in fact, ronald reagan once said he had when the election for governor in california in 66 if he could keep the kooks at bay. it did not mean that he did not want their support, he wanted their support, he did not want them identified with the republican party. and he figured out how to do that. so, the party for the last 70 years, once these people as voters, as volunteers, as donors. so, they are not willing to disavow them. and we see with trump he made that, you know, what may have been a smaller part of the gop base up until now a larger part. but you can even go back to the tea party in 2009 and 2010 -- >> yeah. >> and -- embrace this myth that black obama's a secret, socialist muslim who wanted to destroy the country and create concentration camps and death panels, they wer

i remember as a first grader, that not only did goldwater lose, but he lost by a lot. the rest of the world must be different than my neighborhood was my thought. from there, i joke that i am conservative by self structure, but i started reading national review in the eighth grade. i said, i do not understand a word this guy is saying, but he seems fun and interesting. john: when did you start understanding what he was saying? john: pretty early on because as a sophomore, i remember meeting him a lot. in high school, those days he still had to do vocabulary, quizzes and all that. i was always sending in crazy words from national review. my teacher would say, where are you getting these? and i said, i'm getting them from buckley. i was precocious that way, i guess. john: where did you go to college? steven: i went to college in oregon. i was a student journalist. i became the editor of the paper and started learning how to write up beds. right after college, i went to work in washington as an intern. who formative experience. while i lived in washington, i noticed that

i remember as a first grader, that not only did goldwater lose, but he lost by a lot. the rest of the world must be different than my neighborhood was my thought. from there, i joke that i am conservative by self structure, but i started reading national review in the eighth grade. i said, i do not understand a word this guy is saying, but he seems fun and interesting. john: when did you start understanding what he was saying? john: pretty early on because as a sophomore, i remember meeting him a lot. in high school, those days he still had to do vocabulary, quizzes and all that. i was always sending in crazy words from national review. my teacher would say, where are you getting these? and i said, i'm getting them from buckley. i was precocious that way, i guess. john: where did you go to college? steven: i went to college in oregon. i was a student journalist. i became the editor of the paper and started learning how to write up beds. right after college, i went to work in washington as an intern. who formative experience. while i lived in washington, i noticed that

barry goldwater gives us some of the most colorful language that anyone has given us and criticizingxon. >> let me offer if i may a bonus president bill clinton during the era of impeachment obviously he was justified by his enemies throughout his presidency. once he was impeached i think the senate democrats in particular wouldn't say they would go so far to say they hated clinton for what he did there recently disgusted by it. it's one of those cases not unlike our recent impeachments are the votes secret and were devote less scripted by party i think we would've gotten a much different vote in the end. this is our speed round if you will. everyone is got to answer. that question comes in from david long i love this question. in the final analysis, right person and his style of governing or the policies the president ex-spouse that led them to be so hated? we will go in reverse chronological order to spin things up. so nixon? >> really the same question. in the interest of the speed round i'm going to say mostly it is the person. but i think the policies have been underemphasized a

barry goldwater went in and told richard nixon you have to go. house who stood up over time for various issues. this, i would submit to you, is different. this is like a virus, an infection that has married cowardice with silence and fear. that's a trifecta that holds republicans enthralled to one man and his philosophy who has only been in power -- was only in power for four years. how did that happen so quickly? >> i think what we've seen, if you take the long view, is a lot of events leading up to this. you talk about a virus, and i call it american psychosis. it's a good metaphor. viruses sometimes take a while before they leach a certain level in which it's mass infection. they come in and out of the bloodstream, they get weaker, stronger. what you see, particularly going back to sarah palin, the republican base was fed a stream of paranoia, death panels, glenn beck saying there were concentration camps being set up by barack obama. you see this happening and it was getting more intense over the decades in many ways. then donald trump comes

potential rivals the potential republican nominees for president in 1964 he talked about barry goldwater's name was being mentioned significantly. he talked about nelson rockefeller. he thought about rockefeller and he could not really understand what rockefeller was doing. about a year earlier rockefeller had left his wife tamir a yet much younger woman. i woman it was said in the press she stole from her husband. he had seemingly sacrificed everything for the woman he loved. because of the scandal that ensued because he was marrying the woman he loved. thinking about this and declared no man would ever love love more than politics. i think john tyler probably would have understood exactly the sediment john f. kennedy mentioned at that time. i appreciate your attention today. if you have not bought my book , this is the title of the book, this is the cover of the book. and before i go i just wanted to make sure i give you an indication of coming attractions. my wife and i have a book a biography of under contract with the university press of kansas and her manuscript is due is in october

for the presidency, the potential republican nominees for president in 1964, he talked about barry goldwater, whose name was being mentioned significantly, he talked about nelson rockefeller. he thought about rockefeller any thought that he couldn't understand what rockefeller was doing. about a year earlier, rockville red left his life to marry a much younger woman, a woman who it was said in the press that he stole from her husband there were young children involved, but rockefeller had seemingly sacrificed everything to be with the woman he loved probably here for us 12 and a chance he had winning the republican nomination in 1964, because of the scandal that ensued because he was marrying the woman he left. kennedy was thinking about this, and he declared that no man with every level of more than politics. i think john tyler would've understood exactly the sentiment john f. kennedy mentioned at that time. i appreciate your attention today. if you have not bought my book, i want this light burned into your memory. this is the title of the book. this is the cover of the book. before i go,

you talk about that in the john birch society and other elements of the goldwater campaign. and the conservative media around that time. we talk about it with dwight eisenhower, general eisenhower, president eisenhower having to confront mccarthyism. and the appeal of joe mccarthy both at home and in wisconsin, where he was an incredibly tiring figure. but also in terms of the way he tapped into some real dangerous energy on the far-right. i feel like you've busted a bunch of myths in terms of these self serving histories. we've told ourselves left right and center that the republican party, the mainstream republican party, has effectively policed those extremes and keep them at bay until now. in fact, i think, tell me if i'm wrong, but what i took from your book is that there are multiple instances in which the guys who we think of that as the good guys actually chose deliberately to keep cultivating those extremes. keep the qanon movements of their time alive and agitating for the republican cause. >> again, the pattern is obvious when you go back and. look there's not a s

for the presidency they potential republican nominees for president in 1964, he talks about barry goldwater, whose name was being mentioned significantly. he talked about nelson rockefeller. he thought about rockefeller, and he thought that he could not really understand what rockefeller was doing. about a year earlier rockefeller had left his wife to marry a much younger woman. a woman who it was said in the press that he's stole from her husband, there were young children involved but, rockefeller had seemingly sacrificed everything to be with the woman he loved. really, he probably for stalled any chance he had of winning the republican nomination in 1964 because of the scandal that ensued because he was marrying the woman he left. so, canada was thinking about this. he declared that no man would ever love love more than politics. i think john tyler probably would have understood exactly the sentiment that john f. kennedy mentioned at that time. i appreciate your attention today, if you have not bought my book, let this slide turn into your memory. this is the title of thebook, this is t

then you saw the john birch society rise up and barry goldwater and william f. buckley found out how to use them at first. when they got out of hand, then buckley tried to excommunicate them. okay, so you have seen the early parts of this. some republicans, nelson rockefeller and others, who are trying to keep the party from falling into the hands of extremists. >> you don't have anyone like that now. >> you have no one like that now. my book opens with a bunch of republicans trying to excommunicate the burchers at the '64 convention and they get shouted down. you don't have that anymore. >> mitch cconnell sure isn't going to do it. will, david, thank you both very much. best of luck with the books. >> up next on "the reidout," new reporting that the trump team believed they had a judge, okay, get this, who would validate their claims of executive privilege. right in their little pockets. who could that judge be, i wonder. "the reidout" continues after this. woman tc: my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. doctor tc: ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®. man tc:

. >> barry goldwater, a choice not an echo.an you talk about the crystallization of these ideas, and some would say the gross simplification of complex policies under these chants? >> yeah, and what i find interesting is this is obviously a big part of politics today. it really started in a way with tip a canoe and tyler--with the 1840 campaign which i find fascinating. democracy was becoming a lot more popularized around that time, beginning with andrew jackson the end of 28. prior to jackson, politics was still a sport for elitist, really. it began opening up, more states began having a popular vote. 1840, a really interesting story, the whigs nominated when william henry harrison. van buren was the incumbent. they thought van buren beat harrison four years ago, harrison's old he is in his late 60s. of course we can beat him again. some newspaper editor a columnist wrote a piece saying, you know, you should just retire harrison to his old log cabin. give him some hard cider to drink and he will while away the rest of his day.

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i like i honest a cool coolidge barry goldwater a choice not an echo. can you talk about the the crystalization of these ideas and some would say the gross simplification of complex policy into these, you know chance. yeah, and it what i find interesting is yeah, this is obviously a big part of politics today it it really started in a way with typical and tyler tour with the 1840 campaign, which i find fascinating democracy was becoming a lot more popularized around the time. i mean began with andrew jackson and you know 1828. but prior to jackson politics was still a sport for elitists really and and it began opening up more states began having a popular vote with the of jackson, but 1840. really interesting story the the wigs nominated william henry harrison, and the democrats van buren was the incumbent and they originally thought you know van buren beat harrison four years ago and harrison's oldies late 60s, and you know, of course we can beat him again and some newspaper editor or columnist wrote a piece saying that you know, you should just retire

from that point on, barry goldwater making an alliance with the john berke society, which helped himyears with christian fundamentalists believe that homosexuals could be executed under guard law in the late 70s. the tea party which believed, as you remember. which he party said barack obama was a secret socialist muslim born in kenya who wanted to destroy the american economy so we can pose a detail in cater ship. all that has the same name. there is an internal enemy that needs to be dehumanized. and then demonized. you see trump doing that now in the clip. this is long part of the gop dna. >> after studying the republican party, he said it was clear that the gop has promoted far-right extremism and conspiracies for the last 70 years, you are just explaining. there are now election deniers on the ballot in 27 states. what does that say about the faith of our democracy? >> it used to be that this was done on the side, in the early 60s reagan, mid 60s, raegan run for governor. he said we need to keep the coops at bay. he needed their votes. he wanted their support. he just did not wa

potential exposure, people living near goldwater creek in st. louis county.m other areas, it was exact the same issues, burn pits, tests. core. because i realized that this is not an accident. nor is it a mistake. >> there are many santa suzanne 's all across this country. they remain highly contaminated. they threatened communities and have not been cleaned up. >> it is all across america. it is the same players. different units, but the same agencies, the same attitudes. >> let's face it, this community has been traumatized enough. >> if it was not for this group of moms that made this facebook page, i would have not known. >> there is an endemic problem with the whole system. you can have wonderful environmental laws, and have really powerful ones, but if they are not enforce, they're useless. and that has happened at dozens and dozens of toxic sites in the state of california. and probably is emblematic of what goes on unfortunately all across the country. >> those stories are not uncommon. where you have entire towns, entire neighborhoods that are having