in the goldwater nichols act of 1986 was passed and took root so it's useful when you are reviewing to keep that kind of a timeframe in mind if you will in terms of assessments. income pairing this one and the other went to other quadrennial review is coming into there have been five inside of the dod and six if you count the one that wasn't cold the qdr and others are picking up the idea that it is useful to do this. one of the tensions that in place is how much attention do you pay to the funding constraints. the defense department policy that the qdr was informed by the budgetary constraints but not constrained by the budgetary numbers and this becomes difficult. one of my favorite quote is a wall street analyst that said i can't read this report referring to the 2014 qhsr. it doesn't have any numbers in it. i'm an english major, i used to reading things. if it doesn't connect to the budget, then you have to ask what is the impact if you will. but the important question is not whether the revie review ore report is constrained by the budget. but in fact what is the important -- the

remember under goldwater-nichols, you created purple in the military.ou have not created purple in contingencies. you have not required to state and aid to do the same in depth analyses and lessons learned like all of the various -- i know you served in the military so you understand the lessons learned reports. you're not seeing combined doctrines coming out on the next contingency. so i throw that out. if you want to make certain we succeed, maybe not for afghanistan but at least we learned from our mistakes before we do it again. that's something you may want to consider. >> madam chair, if you'll indulge me for one moment. i understand what you're saying. what bothers me is, is just a look at this, as a simple business plan. you don't get money for just i have an idea, let's throw money. is there a way maybe we could metrics, the magic tested the blood first before the money is never transferred? once the money is gone it doesn't matter. they don't care. i think the problem we have here, and i go back to mr. connolly's statement, whether it's good o

remember under goldwater nichols, you created purple in the military.ou have not created purple in contingencies. you have not required state and aid to do the same in-depth analysis and lessons learned like all of the various -- i know you serve in the military so you understand a lessons learned reports. it produces doctrine. you are not seeing combined doctrine come out. i throw that out. if you want to make certain we succeed. maybe not for afghanistan but at least we can learn from our mistakes. that is something you might want to consider. >> if you might indulge me. i understand what you are saying. what bothers me is -- it is a simple business plan. you don't give money for just an idea. can apply they we metrics first? once the money is gone, it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. i think the problem we have -- i go back to mr. connolly statement. i come from a background where neither or. if you tell me nothing has happened and everything is happened i would discount it immediately. repeatedly, at this the people of my district want the truth a

they have been built on layers ever since goldwater-nichols. there have been layers of acquisition improvement of one form another. many of them are very good and they are all well motivated that the total body is large and complex. the same is true with dfar. i'm not doing this right now but there is an effort that we are working with the congress on to take a look at the dfar to see if we can simplify that as well. >> in addition to the challenges that you mentioned what are the programs you are offering to dfar? >> we have a list and as i recall there was a helicopter program. there is i want to say there is an unmanned aerial vehicle program. we have a number of things in different stages of the process. i think we have a list of several -- i will tell you what we will get the current list so you have the right list. >> can i ask you one thing? huntington angles is not on this list. they are the biggest shipbuildes biggest military shipbuilder. can you give us a sense wide than other units are on the list given their enormity? >> let me go

it took nearly 40 years before the structure many place today resulting from the goldwater nichols defense reorganization act of 1986 was passed and took root. so it's useful when you're reviewing dhs to keep that time frame in mind, if you will, in terms of assessments. in comparing the qhsr, both this one and the previous one, to other quadrennial reviews and there's been five inside dod, six if you look at the one that was called the bottom up review and we've had one in the state department and other agencies are picking up the idea it's use to feel do this. one of the basic tensions in place here is how much attention to do you pay to funding constraints? in fact, you will have the department will say that their qdr was informed by budgetary constraints but not constrained by budgetary numbers. now this becomes difficult for some. one of my favorite quotes is pa wall street analyst who says i can't read this report -- referring to the 2014 qhsr, it doesn't have any numbers in it. i'm an english major so i'm used to reading things without number but there's a grain of truth to that. if

remember under goldwater nichols you created a purple.u haven't created a purple in the contingencies. you're not requiring state and aid to do the same analysis and wesson's learned that all of the various. i know that you understand the reports. you're not seeing the combined doctrine coming out on the next contingency so i throw that out if you want to make certain we succeed maybe not for afghanistan but we have learned from our mistakes before we do it again and that's something you may want to consider. >> if you would indulge me for just a moment what bothers me is looking at this as a simple business plan you don't get money -- i have an idea let's throw money is there a way that we can say the metrics have to be applied first before the money is transferred? because once the money is gone it doesn't matter so i think the problem that we have here i think i come from a background where either or so if you tell me nothing has happened i would discount it immediately. something is in the middle and is done wrong but when we look at

-- legislatively did that with the change of the control structure of the pentagon with the nichols-goldwater fact that he and that change things in the pentagon for that it is moving mobley -- more smoothly to integrate all of the armed services as opposed to where it stood before 1986. >> let's stay in the present. we'll go back to the past and a moment. everyone will have a chance to ask questions later on in the discussion. today, barry goldwater has become almost a utterly hero to cuddily -- connolly -- hero to liberals. they like his stance on abortion, gay rights. do they have it all wrong? [laughter] >> there are three distinct phases of goldwater as a public figure and as a politician. the historically important barry ofdwater, the author "conscious of a conservative," the presidential candidate in very much a hard-right, libertarian conservative. he advocated eliminating the federal role in agriculture and in education and general social welfare programs. he also was an insurgent. wroteke scornfully and scornfully about me too republicanism. even though he supported eisenhower over

he legislatively did that with the change of the control structure of the pentagon with the nichols-goldwater act that he sponsored, and that changed things in the pentagon for that it is moving more smoothly to integrate all of the armed services as opposed to where it stood before 1986. >> let's stay in the present. we'll go back to the past in a moment. everyone will have a chance to ask questions later on in the discussion. today, barry goldwater has become almost cuddly hero to liberals. they like his stance on abortion, gay rights. do the liberals have it all wrong? [laughter] >> there are three distinct phases of goldwater as a public figure and as a politician. the historically important barry goldwater, the author of "conscience of a conservative," the presidential candidate in 1964, was very much a hard-right, libertarian conservative. he advocated eliminating the federal role in agriculture and in education and all social welfare programs. he also was an insurgent. he spoke scornfully and wrote scornfully about "me, too, republicanism." even though he supported eisenhower over taft