but there are a number of occasions when it golub went through a juicer the other, you know, he would've been hit, and maybe even killed and that would've changed history. postcode jim powell come if you put all the people you profile then fight for history in one room, would they agree on anything? tuskawilla gap, there was a substantial amount of agreement. what is wonderful, i'll do this earlier that the relationships among a lot of people relating to the very close affectionate relationship between lafayette and washington. post go but if you put cicero and abigail adams and mary wellstone in the same room, what would they talk about? with a talk about freedom? >> guest: yes, a lot of them talk about liberty, talk about cicero. the american founders, they all knew cicero because they are looking back to try to figure out how to put together this new country. all they know basically, all the founders knew as they didn't want a king. so there wasn't much precedence for a successful political arrangement without a king to go back to the roman republic. that was a very sophisticated in t