gompers and holmstead and debs. they drew 2 different conclusions. gompers that you have to make a deal and you cannot fight the system. debs went to war socialism. he became a socialist because the only way to the front the power the corporation was to use political power against them. the only countervailing power in society. use the power of the state to confront the power of the corporation. both of them in their own way reflected the exhaustion of the earlier types of radical -- radicalism. debs was a democrat, aging the democrat with a small "d." he was a leader in believed he was a leader. he said i would not lead you to the promised land if i could because if i could lead you in, someone else can lead you out. movements are not made by leaders. change is not made by leaders. it is made by mass organization, he said. he is willing to be the spokesman for that. debs is sort of suspicion for the american federation of union. we will see next time. he is a unifying factor in the socialist party. but he goes way beyond that. in his career, he lite