>> well, let's give credit to officer goodson or his or her attorney.im or her, because he didn't speak has the only one of the six. >> the driver of the van. >> he's in the best position regarding that. you are in front of the judge who routinely is, defense attorneys are saying that their civilian client was tricked by the police into giving a statement. the judges routinely say, no, i don't believe that. i don't think they were tricked. i am allowing the statement in, how do they say to police officers who know the law better than civilians? >> the confusing. for these cops, they were in a different roam. they're answering questions about an incident, they don't know whether they are a potential defendant in a criminal case or whether they are there as cops trying to assist in a different case? >> it's even worse. officer white maintains, i have no reason to disbelieve her, she was told, she was a mear witness. she was ah, we need to get your testimony or witness in this case. she doesn't think she has anything to worry about. while trickery has been