. >> you should have seen it when goouten berg did the printing press. they were buying out the bibles. >> i have heard about it. so the question that i'm struck by now is listening to the three of you talk about the demac ra tieization, and i think walter's notion about the positive influences of these things. given all of that and the power of these new platforms, et cetera, what relationship do you see between those positive developments and the fact that our politics are as polarized as they have ever been? >> marcus? >> i mean, i guess i would challenge the assertion that they are as polarized as they have ever been. the history of the country is full of political visit ree y'all and intense partisan rivalries. >> there are metrics that will demonstrate. the farthest left republican and the farthest right democrat that there's lots of space between them. >> not the nation. okay, so con partisan to the point of sometimes dysfunction, but i'm not sure, i don't know that i would start by blaming media. i would, i think, you know, there's leadership que