none of that happens in the gop usually.be a member of the kind of very right of center kind of group. so your reaction to the self cannibalization that's going on. >> lord of the flies in there, you know. and i think what i would have done if that was happening, run as fast as i can and jumped out the window in the speaker's lobby. i mean, what else can you do right now? i keep hearing that it's unprecedented but is it really surprising after the past couple years, katie, and what's happened. and i've been using -- the best way i can describe it, katie, is this, crazy is contagious. and you are who you spoon with. and if you're going to be spooning with crazy, that's going to rub off on you. and now you have this fractious gop where people are screaming like newt gingrich that you just showed. the base loves it. i'm telling you right now, this isn't like matt gaetz will be expelled from the conference and all of a sudden he'll lose his next election in florida. they'll be fundraising off of this. the eight that actually vot

the story of the modern gop.mp like rudy giuliani and the mypillow guy feel it the worst. kurt riddle, democratic strategist. in the immortal word of that great pop group that produced that one lady who's doing a concert tour, "bills, bills, bills, can you pay my bills?" donald trump is costing a lot of people bills, cost a lot of the people money. what gals me about this is, look, for whatever financial difficulties trump is in, he's got enough money to help out mike lindell, rudy giuliani. he's not helping these guys. he's not raising money for them. how can anyone want to work with someone who's going to leave them out in the cold this way? >> you've got to be a weapons-grade idiot at this point to sign up to try to help donald trump, knowing his track record. >> if you are a weapons-grade idiot, trump will leave that too. you don't feel any safer. but continue. >> this is the thing. we have seen this throughout his entire career. even politically speaking. jeff sessions sacrificed his reputation and his unite

she calls them the mercenary caucus there can join the gop.is the vast majority of gop conference humans focus on what is best for party and country small but significant number of mercenary members intend to glory in their power karl, how do you get to to 17? text that is hard. look this is going to be very difficult. as you heard from the former speaker there's a lot of anger. there's a lot of distrust. they are right they need to get together in a room. it's going to be like a locker room at halftime an important game. are they going to be able to come together as a team and say we may not agree on each and every issue. you may not agree upon each and every vote we have somebody who we think can lead us and we'll get behind him regardless of whether or not they agree one 100%. we have had two instances more of our small group started the gang of eight got to be with us one 100% of the time. we the eight get to dictate to the other 208. that is not the way it goes. >> their worries with the gop they are squandering good things going on which

nevertheless, what is next for the house gop? that is unanswered at this moment as kevin mccarthy huddled with his top advisers, deciding what to do as this bitterly house gop conference meets in a matter of moments to pick up the pieces and try to put it back together somehow. >> manu, thank you very much. wolf, it is so incredible when you think about it. deeply divided indeed. yet eight against 210 for, right? it's a lopsided divided, right? it's almost all. and then these eight that continue to cause such chaos. >> it was enough to remove kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house of representatives. right now, reaction from a republican who voted against mccarthy's removal. representative kelly armstrong is joining us now. representative, thank you so much for joining us. you voted against removing mccarthy from the speakership. what's your reaction to his ouster? >> i've got to congratulate my eight republican colleagues. they gave chuck schumer and joe biden unified control of government in d.c., at least temporarily. i don't

what else was the gop focused on >> the house gop is focused on hunter biden, spending this entire thursdaynment shuts down on saturday, to open their impeachment inquiry into his dad, the president they're looking into hunter biden as well >> even some republicans this morning are privately grumbling about how that first impeachment hearing went no bombshells, no direct evidence that president biden did anything wrong >> i want to emphasize what it is that we're here today for this is a question of an impeachment inquiry. it is not a vote on articles of impeachment. in fact, i do not believe that the current evidence would support articles of impeachment. >> seth: what? that's your first witness? [ laughter ] he just came out and [ bleep ] all over your whole case that's like if the best man at your wedding got up to give a toast and said, "hey, everybody, keep your gift receipts. this one ain't making it through the summer." [ laughter and applause and i'm not the only one who was underwhelmed by the witness choice, even pro-trump hard-liner steve bannon was critical of the gop's decision

the vote to aust mccarthy marks a major escalation in tensions for a house gop conference that has beeng, and it comes just days after mccarthy successfully engineered a last minute bypartisan efforts to avert a government shut down. that uh, i think probably the the next step would be a shutdown, which is really. what they're probably aiming for, they wanted to get mccarthy out of there and part because he stood in the way of that, bunch of reasons, but that's part of it, and it's it's it's the politics of chaos. the effort to house the speaker was led by gop republican matt gates, there is also a significant amount of distrust and anger from house democrats towards mccarthy over his actions as speaker and the house gop agenda. the rebellious lawers accused mccarthy of a flip flop saying he had promised an end to hastily prepared stop gap legislation hammered out with the support of the opposition and a return to budgeting through the committee process. some republican leaders condem mccarthy's removal with former vice president and current presidential candidate mike pence suggesting

that's part of it and it's it's it's the politics of chaos. the effort to us the speaker was led by gopgates that is also significant an amount of distrust and anger from house democrats towards mccarthy over his actions as speaker and the house gop agenda. the rebellious lawmakers accused mckarthy of a flip flop saying he had pro an end to hastily prepared stop gap legislation hammered out with the support of the opposition and a return to budgeting through the committee process. some republican leaders condemhi's removal with former vice president and current presidential candidate mike pence suggesting it would underminend the gop in the eyes of voters. there is no clear successor to oversee the house republican majority. congress has just over 40 days to agree a deal to avoid another. quality to what they're doing, however, genius and the madness, because the madness is about creating as much chaos as possible, and then the trump people will will will step in. the dramatic auster of us house speaker kevin maccarthy has raised questions about the future of washington's military assis

the rebellious gop laws, furious at his cooperation with... democrats have accused him of a string of broken promises. this is the first owster of a speaker in the house's 234 year history. on this vote, the yes are 2:16, the nays are 2:10. the resolution is adopted. without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. the office of speaker of the house of the united states house of representatives is hereby. declared vacant, i mean it's a sign, i think, if history is any guide at all to this, it's a sign of a party in disintegration, i mean that's what's happening, and it's melting down, and that's pretty clear, um, that's the older history, the more recent history, i think is that what we're seeing today is the latest installment in the you know, ever ever continuing by donald trump, i mean that's what we're seeing, the vote to alst mccarthy marks a major escalation intentions for a house gop conference that has been mired in infighting, and it comes just days after mccarthy successfully engineered a last minute by partisan effo

that is not who the gop caucus wants. gop caucus seems to want, again, a performance artist in this. will tom emmer be able to put together what he has to put together as 110 caucus gop votes in order to get to the floor, not to get democratic votes? i don't know. donald trump seems to have large and powerful sway over the caucus. if donald trump comes out formally and says no to tom number, i don't see how he gets the votes in the gop caucus. >> can we put the pictures of all those people who declared candidates that we showed a moment ago. mondaire, out of all of those folks you see there, are there, is there anyone who you can imagine democrats could work with? >> look, i think democrats stand prepared to work with anyone who is going to work in the best interest of the united states. you know, it's worth repeating, how close jim jordan came to been elevated as speaker of the house. this is someone who should not even be elected dog catcher. he's the chief insurrectionist of the united states congress. he wants to defu

government again, here is a republican member of congress explaining the stakes of this gop leadershipnding the government is part of our fundamental duty, and we can't even do that. so, and now, here we are at the 11th hour with the clock ticking and we can't even seat a speaker. man, that says volumes at first, it was somewhat comical. now it's bordering on the absurd >> seth: bordering on the absurd one of your members is walking around like a [ bleep ] "sesame street" character who hangs out near oscar's trash can selling drugs. "hey, elmo, you want to get high the "a" stands for amphetamines!" [ laughter ] now even republicans are admitting in public that they are incapable of governing again, that's not me saying this i'm sure there are some viewers who accidentally tune into the show and think, "oh, there's meyers ranting about how republicans suck at their jobs." but this time, it's not me saying it, it's a republican saying it. in fact, i'm going to repeat those exact words you just heard from that republican congressman, but i'm going to do it like it's the intro "a closer lo

it's classified. [ laughter ] so, the gop's front runner for president is facing four indictments and, probably going to get kicked off zillow and on top of that, they currently don't even have a speaker of the house they ousted kevin mccarthy and then basically went on vacation. the interim speaker, a guy named patrick mchenry, a mccarthy ally, gavelled the house into recess, and as you can see, he was super pissed about it. >> the chair declares the house of recess subject to the call of the chair. [ laughter ] >> seth: you do not expect that energy from a bow tie guy. [ laughter ] it's like a dad trying to get the last piece of ikea furniture to fit "goddamn it! the -- won't fit into the -- so they adjourned the house and the reason they did that apparently was the tensions were so high over the vote to oust mccarthy, they were genuinely afraid there would be physical fighting if they didn't get the hell out of there. >> do you agree with congressman mchenry's decision, he's the temporary speaker of the speaker pro tem to put a pause on the week to let tensions settle? >> jake, i'l

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who is right and where does the gop go? >> muscle memory in the congress and the senate, all they know how to do is pass omnibuses and occasionally tax cuts and fund the military. muscle memory for actually governing as a congress is completely lost. and it's going to be a painful experience. even if they got mccarthy to pass appropriations and push them through, mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer have not shown interest to do it in the senate. it's a slow step-by-step movement and a painful one for the country to get congress and the senate to relearn like with physical therapy to actually govern. >> the thing that strikes me is we used to have a sense that people could talk to each other. >> john: there you go again. >> i know, i'm an old timer. but talk across the aisle. i think the longest serving speaker, tip o'neill, ronald reagan used to talk all the time, two old irish guys with a drink and work things out. >> john: gingrinch and clinton. >> and they shut down the government a couple times, reagan. >> they did, but t

scalise has been the number two gop leader under mccarthy since 2019. scalise who has eyed the job for years and doesn't have the best relationship with mccarthy, announced last august he has been diagnosed with a rare form of blood cancer. his name was repeatedly brought up when a far-right republican put forward the motion to vacate mccarthy. jim jordan, on the other hand, was the first person to announce his own bid for speaker. the founding chair of the house gop caucus is now serving ozone of the leaders into the impeachment inquiry into president biden. and unlike scalise he's a current ally of now former speaker mccarthy. in their letters to lawmakers pitching their candidacies both jordan and scalise pledged to unite the republican conference. meanwhile, congressman kevin hern of oklahoma is also intending to run for speaker. hern is the chair of the republican study committee and also met with the texas delegation. house republicans will hold a candidate forum on this matter next tuesday and hold internal elections the following day to determin

gop convention has wrapped up. we're hearing from the party chair ahead of upcoming election season. that's next. >> welcome back kron. 4 news is your local election headquarters. today marks the final day. what's been a busy weekend for republicans at the state gop convention in anaheim, capitol correspondent eytan wallace spoke one-on-one with the party chair. he joins us with her message heading into election 2024. >> well, keep in mind, registered democrats outnumber registered republicans by about 2 to one in the state of california. but state gop chair jessica millan patterson says don't let that fool you. she believes state republicans can and will play a major role over who holds power. >> in washington, it's an exciting time to be california republicans. that's the feeling of california gop chair jessica millan patterson. as we inch closer to election >> optimism comes as her party wraps up his three-day convention in anaheim. those spoke here include presidential candidates, donald trump, ron desantis, ti

that's on the extremist maga gop.h sides definitely have to take responsibility for defending and prolonging a broken dysfunctional undemocratic political system. sadly, democrats, in my view, have not come out forcefully enough for the type of reform that american democracy, especially, congress desperately needs. as harvard political scientist daniel ziegler and steve lewinsky explain and that tyranny of the minority, they explained on the show a couple weeks ago, minority rule has become the norm within american politics, especially on capitol hill. every point of the legislative process. minorities are able to block, impede, and obstruct. the whole reason we almost shut down the government this weekend is because, as the washington post noted, the hard right holdout and speaker mccarthy's gerrymandered conference represents 100 percent of the oppositions deal. just 2% of the population. just 2%. they almost brought the government of the richest country and in the history of the world to a shuddering halt. they cou

even inside of the gop base.at donald trump can't control at what point are voters -- >> tuning in. and to that point, there is fight for the second place and you mentioned desantis and haley and your paper, headlines how haley is sending sparks flying. that is where things are. but there is still 40 points ahead, could they make up 40 points or make up that deficit ahead of iowa. >> it is hard to envision. because he is just sucking up all of the oxygen right now. he continues to do so. the better haley performs, the more she might be setting herself up for 2028. the republican party has a long tradition. a lot of tradition has been broken in the last seven, eight years in the republican party but they do have a long tradition of that person who finished second gets the leg up for the next go around. so, if she continues to perform well, i don't think she'll end up on the vp slot. >> exactly. >> but she could be positioned herself to be a front-runner we'll see how that plays out. thank you, guys. coming up, mit

some in the gop floating another name, donald trump what he said about the possibility before walking out of his new york fraud trial. >>> also tonight, the largest health care strike in u.s. history. more than 75,000 kaiser permanente workers walking off the job. how it could affect your medical care. >>> the mass shooting at baltimore's morgan state university five wounded the suspect or suspects still at large. >>> severe storms on the move in the south, and tracking tropical storm phillippe. could it hit the east coast? >>> a plane falling out of the sky, crashing into a home in oregon, two killed. what we're learning. >>> opening statements in the trial of sam bankman-fried. the one-time crypto king now accused of billions in fraud. >>> the suspect arrested in the 1996 killing of tupac shakur in court for the first time the new evidence shown to the grand jury >>> making history simone biles leading team usa to a seventh straight victory on the world stage. s >>> this is nbc nightly news with lester holt. >>> good evening and welcome. if you've been wondering who would want to be

first the house gop needs to nominate someone that needs to get a majority of the house gop vote, andhen a vote in the full house next week, and that is going to be the real challenge. 218 votes, more than four republicans can scuttle a republican speaker candidate. as we saw with kevin mccarthy, the question now is will it happen again? >> yeah, we saw those 15 rourngsds right? with kevin mccarthy. as you say, lots of hurdles ahead. but right now we have reps steve scalise and jim jordan throwing their hats in the ring in the run for house speaker. thanks, manu. we'll be right back. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. >>> for the third straight day former president donald trump was in court, attending his civil fraud trial, and for the third straight day he ra

what you make of the shakeout in the gop race?overnor rhonda sanders and nikki haley are neck and neck and a battle for second place right behind trump, what you make of that? >> it's really interesting because for a while we saw when the same wasn't really rising in the national polls rising the state, what person would be whether it tim scott, vivek ramaswamy but right now after two successful debate performances, it does appear to be nikki haley, she's really talked about how she has been the adult in the room when it comes to gop primary honing in on her experience test state senator governor un ambassador but regardless of who wins second place, that's what of this, second-place, donald trump still leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the primary and it's going to take effort. >> is it because trump, like no other candidate has a way to talk with you? he doesn't talk at people, final word. >> i think that's part of it but i think donald trump has more than the rest of the field, he is the former president and a lot of these

three gop lawmakers voted present last night in a private gop only roll call vote. there were only 23 -- there were 23 absences. this is where johnson's problems will be, if he has any. some may be holdouts, but there was an event last night that some gop lawmakers attended instead of the vote. if republicans cannot elect johnson as speaker, the game is up. moderate republicans will go to the floor and join with democrats to elect patrick mchenry. the house has been without a speaker for 22 days. members are fed up with the paralysis, the lack of a speaker, and the process over the last three weeks affects you as far as how you view congress and how it operates. you can let us know. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. clearance in tennessee about the view of congress and the speaker election. he is in nashville. good morning. caller: good morning to you and to america. i am a lifelong republican and pleased they finally have a candidate and i encourage anyone , most of us never knew this particular individual, i w

cohosting the next gop presidential debate with the rnc in miami november 8.ion to invite our jc to be a partner for this and demonstrate the value and importance the republican party places on the jewish community and its strong support for the gop and the impact of the republican jewish coalition has as an organization. this is a historic opportunity. no other jewish organization has ever cosponsored a national presidential debate. ladies and gentlemen it gives me great pleasure. let's give a big warm welcome to the ronna mcdaniel. ♪ >> thank you. it's an honor to be at the republican jewish coalition national meeting. it's an honor to be with all you. there is no place i would rather be. i want to thank what a norm -- thank norm pullman. what an amazing man chairing the organization. i want to thank matt broke. the our jc has been an important part of my life. i have fun with the republican jewish coalition to israel where we opened an embassy in jerusalem. i was there this year in israel as well as saudi arabia, bahrain, and the uae celebrating the abraham

after all it was the gop that almost caused the u.s. government to shut down when the house finally passed the stopgap spending measure it was because minority leader hakeem jeffries crowd the entire democratic caucus to support the bill. 90 hard-line republicans voted against the deal despite a shutdown being just hours away. they were okay with it. and now with mccarthy's speaker on the line it seems that democrats may have to come to the rescue yet again. or they may have to cut mccarthy loose once and for all. joining me now to break all this down. tara setmayer, the senior adviser in gop communications director. jennifer reuben washington post opinion writer and an msnbc political analyst. it's great to have both of you with us. i'll start with, you know that the shutdown has been averted, the chaos surrounding speaker mccarthy is on full display it's front and center. how much of this political future now rests in the democrat's hands to save kevin kathy. >>, over the irony. if you would've asked me whether a republican speaker of

in 1920, the gop made a decision. it would be the party of conservatism, even if it meant seeing a splinter move off and form another progressive party again. normally see a policy of common sense would rule the selection of coolidge as vice presidential candidate was in part a response to the demand or a conservative gop in the 1920 election. why his president nominee coolidge was articulate. is conservative fiction convey vision with clarity quote in a free republic, a great government is the product of a great people. they will look to themselves rather than to the government for success, as in, quote, he was rejecting progressivism. in 1919, tr died. coolidge determined he would govern. in paul johnson's words, as, quote, the most internally consistent and single minded of u.s. presidents. end quote. the 1920s, under harding's and coolidge's leadership was a decade of conservative ascendancy. but the battle with progressivism continued in both parties. in the democratic party, the fight during the 1920s was exceed

and the house gop, that is why the speaker didn't go forward. and there was also some divisions within the senate republican conference. i was told by a source familiar with the matter that john thune, the number two republican and john brass, the number three republican have concerns with moving forward in the senate plan that included ukraine money at this moment. and look, if the senate gop gets wobbly on ukraine funding, that is a real concern for people who are supporting this aid. >> right. it is a real concern for the white house because senate republicans and particularly mitch mcconnell are kind of the white house's last line of defense. they know that they have really tricky politics in the house republican conference but have been confident because of mitch mcconnell and many of the north carolina senate have such a stalwart supporters of ukraine aid. and now i can't -- it is hard to underef mate how tricky the road is ahead as moving ukraine as a separate matter. i was struck by the comments from the president and by democratic leade

they're just rats with nicer coats. [ laughter ] so steve scalise is now technically the gop's nomineeer, but that doesn't mean he has enough votes to actually become speaker once the full house goes to the floor to vote he has to keep making promises to people to get their votes, just like now-former speaker kevin mccarthy did the situation has been so chaotic, reporters are just grabbing members of congress in the halls at random, live on camera, to ask them who they're voting for >> as we watch, one of the defectors walking by now, one of the people who ousted kevin mccarthy, tim burchett mr. burchett, you going to vote for mr. scalise on the floor >> absolutely. >> thank you, congressman. he's on board, steve scalise there's some news just now he is going to be on the scalise board, the scalise train but there are others at this moment who have yet to commit. >> seth: that's how much of a mess republicans have made of this situation they've turned professional reporters into guys handing out fliers for comedy shows in times square [ laughter ] "hey, wanna come see some comedy it's

the california gop convention. their parents is coming just one day after the republican front runner donald trump spoke capitol correspondent eytan wallace breaks it all down for us. >> well, while donald trump received a lot of attention for his speech here on friday of a comma swami, tim scott and ron desantis of since taking the stage to argue why they feel they are best fit to serve the nation. florida governor ron desantis receiving innovation at the california gop convention. he did not away from slamming governor gavin newsom in president joe biden for policies. desantis argues have only made things worse. our country's in a state of decline. >> economic decline, cultural decline, military decline. the california model represents more american decline desantis. the speech came hours after former president donald j trump addressed the party while the florida governor went after democrats. he also questioned trump's electability. i just wish if he was the one that turned florida read that he would have torn g

now the inter-gop fight to replace mccarthy begins ahead of next week's expected vote. the two major declared candidates, scalise and jordan, will begin to make their case to colleagues both men were supporters of mccarthy, and congressman matt gaetz who spearheaded mccarthy's removal effort said both would be an improvement over mccarthy. both jordan and scalise have already secured endorsements from several of their colleagues, but only one of them has backing of the party's presidential frontrunner following reports from other gop figures, former president trump confirmed on truth social early this morning that he will be endorsing jim jordan in the speaker's race while trump has mostly shot down calls from gop lawmakers to run for speaker himself, his shadow still looms large over this process. a republican lawmaker says that trump is considering traveling to capitol hill next week in an attempt to unite the gop caucus. if he does, it would be his first appearance at the u.s. capitol since the events of january 6 over two years ago >> and brie, speaking of donald tr

so called expert witnesses for the gop said there is simply no evidence to prove the flimsy allegationsst what radical republicans are calling the, quote, biden crime family. my next guest was there at the impeachment hearing. he said it's all a bluff. >> we're here because of matt, that's what this is about. they can't save donald trump, they cannot take away the two impeachments and the four indictments. they can try to put some numbers on the board for joe biden. the problem is, when you sling mud, you have to have mud. if you don't think there's so much evidence, where here, call the vote on impeachment. impeach him right now, i dare you. >> joining me now is florida congressman, jared moskowitz. jared, a -- little channeling with that white board, very impressive. look, we know there is this last-ditch effort. it worked to stave off a full still government shut down, i'm interested, as i'm a fellow floridian with you, that's 16 billion dollars in disaster relief. you just heard becca balint at the beginning the show talking about how important that was for her stay in vermont becau

how he united the gop after three other nominees failed. also, the key role he played in trying to overturn the 2020 election, and will he cut a deal to avoid a government shutdown just three weeks away? >>> also tonight, the stunning moment in court, former president donald trump storming out of his fraud trial in new york after the judge called him to the witness stand. what mr. trump said that landed him a $10,000 fine. >>> with gaza on the brink, president biden today reaffirming support for israel, but saying it must do everything it can to protect gaza's civilians. our cameras in gaza as a girl trapped under rubble is pulled out alive. and new images of terror. nbc news exclusively obtaining dash cam of hamas' bloody attack. >>> hurricane otis making landfall near acapulco after exploding from a tropical storm to a category 5 in just 24 hours. forecasters calling it a nightmare scenario. why it took so many by surprise. >>> new video, the pilot accused of trying to crash a plane led away in cuffs. >>> and we're talking about shaft. re

the vote forced by matt gaetz, part of a small band of gop hard-liners, angry with mccarthy for cutting a deal to avert a shutdown with a slim majority, mccarthy needed democrats' help to survive, but none coming to his rescue so, what happens now our team at the capitol. >>> also tonight, the suspect arrested after a kidnapped 9-year-old was found alive. police say she was aboducted while riding her bike at a new york campground the clue that led police to her. >>> the deadly pileup shutting down a highway in arkansas. was it caused by a massive fire burning nearby >>> former president donald trump back in court for his fraud trial. the major ruling why the judge has imposed a gag order on him and will he testify? >>> hunter biden pleading not guilty to federal gun charges. why his attorney is lashing out at donald trump. >>> the congressman carjacked at gunpoint in washington the search tonight for three suspects >>> and two brothers playing on opposite sides of the mlb playoffs and the battle their mother is fighting that's bigger than any sibling rivalry. >> announcer: this is "nbc