is in the hands of yeltsin yeltsin can save gorbachev, or maybe destroy him in august 1991 gorbachevt in the crimea and then the state emergency committee is announced due to the impossibility of the state of health of the execution by mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev composition imposing prime minister chairman of the supreme council minister of defense heads of the kgb and the ministry of internal affairs the goal is to prevent the collapse of the ussr gorbachev under house arrest in krymsk yeltsin's troops are brought into moscow convenes the people and leads the defense of the white house in moscow, where the supreme soviet of the ussr was then located, there was a smell of great blood, but the gkchp did not have enough determination for it. and there wasn't really a plan. the conspirators from the state emergency committee were arrested, and gorbachev was returned to the kremlin thanks to yeltsin, but already without any real power, everyone turned away from gorbachev and the party and the security forces and the allied republics, everything that we did after the eighty-fifth year

gorbachev didn't do that.hat was the first summit they had simultaneous translation at a few notes, referring to briefing books, that made it different from everything they had done before. >> host: 1990, time magazine selects mikhail gorbachev as man of the decade. what did you think about that? >> guest: gorbachev deserves credit. he was a genuine liberal reformer. he did want to end the arms race. he did repudiate the brezhnev doctrine that said we defend it by force which is what the soviet union had always done. he announced in 1988 unilateral reductions in the soviet troops in eastern europe. now he gave us that with no concessions from our side which was remarkable. the part of what is going on, imagine if especially, you had gone to graduate school to study soviet psychology. the soviet union didn't exist anymore. you are back to the nobel prize gorbachev got, time magazine's person of the decade. part of that was a lot of the media establishment and academic establishment couldn't stand it that reagan

gorbachev left the conversation?ere i have the numbers, and everything was profitable for gorbachev to scare the people and the whole world with terrible numbers. this gave him an unkillable weapon against the conservatives. komi were traditionally military and defense workers. so the world rejoices, we do not knowledgeable not understanding what is happening far away to them too, but as you know, the devil is in the details a very interesting detail, and the attitude of our partners a-a to what happened the fact is that it was in 1984 ronald reagan was supposed to speak and he decided to test the microphone. he thought the recording was not going on. he said the following while checking the microphone. listen, please, it's all happening. in parallel with how we collapse, we shake hands, it's a joke, such a hollywood joke. can you imagine to any of our leaders. here and so, checking the microphone baspuh, that in 5 minutes the bombing of the united states will begin. why, because even then, as before, but this is one

gorbachev didn't do that. that's the first summit they have simultaneous translation and a few notes but they were not referring to the briefings and it was that's what made it different from everything that had gone before them. >> host: "time" magazine hailed gorbachev not ronald reagan as the man ofof the deca. what did you think about that? >> guest: i mean, gorbachev deserves a ton of credit he was a liberal reformer, confused one but that's another story. he wanted to end the arms race and he repudiated the prison of doctrine that said once the socialism we defended by force which is what the soviet union had always done and he announced in 1988 unilateral reductions in the soviet troops in eastern europe. we always thought that negotiation and now he gave us that without any concessions from our side which was remarkable. i think part of what's going on is imaginative especially when you go forward a year imagine if you had gone to graduate school to study soviet and at the end of 1991 the soviet union

chill -- gorbachev got. lot of that was academic and media establishment couldn't stand it that reagan had been so effective and had been vindicated in many ways against all the criticisms and talbott said this is just a disaster the way he's going on about arms control. i think he embarrassed them and that was one way of getting back atge reagan. did reagan and gorbachev have a relationship later in life? >> i don't know how much they keptid in touch today don't remember if he was -- he visited reagan at his ranch in santa barbara. they got together and shared jokes. gorbachev said to somebody later he was unimpressed withhe reagas ranch. reagan's houses 1200 square feet. the big ranch. gorbacheve thought the presidet denies that they have a big mansion. not the civil ranch house. those are cultural differences i suppose. ronald reagan and his journey to becoming a conservative, what was your journey? >> all health -- oh hack. i grew up with conservative parents inin a concerted town. everybody goldwater st

gorbachev's gorbachev's strange, very strange. good morning good morning what are you doing i went to bed, and sat up all night, you think i didn’t go to bed, otherwise i saved a person. you figured out what happened to him, of course, he entered a sacred place without permission, the spirits expelled him and took his breath. i tried to help him. of course, i’m not yet a thin shaman like a musician, and the fact that our men have yes, you can immediately see a nice city man. but it is unlikely that he will succeed with him. he will not quit, he is all for the sake of life. we're good at being unpredictable. oh, fell in love with him. yes, but don't talk nonsense. i don't know for sure yet. what do you think, wait until it wakes up. listen, if you want, let me take your forest god's jacket home and wash it. thank you look map. so these are maps of the cave of spirits. look, all our transitions are marked so detailed. i wonder what he was looking for? i can't bring myself to get out of bed. it has n't happened to me in a long time.

and gorbachev says, okay, reagan is great. and then gorbachev says, let's get rid of all of our long range missiles. in other words, everything, all our strategic nukes. and reagan says to shultz can we do that? and shultz says, yes, sir, president, we can. let's do it. so they're going to do it. and they already are working on a plan and the plan essentially would be that the us and the russians and the soviets we would reduce our nuclear weapons stockpiles down. right. about 200 to get us at parity with britain and france. israel india, china. then we lean on all of our allies and do everything we can to a global push for total disarmament and people say this is just impossible, but we outlawed biological weapons. and that doesn't mean that no one can ever cheat. but it means that it's absolutely illegal and it's inspected and guaranteed in various ways. and if you look at the treaty of 1968, it's the nuclear weapon states promise to someday get rid of their nukes. i admit, hasn't helped, but the non-nuclear weapons states h

gorbachev died just last week. what was the relationship like, when they were both in office and later? steven: that is an extraordinary story. initially, they were inclined not to like each other. reagan wrote in his diary, people tell me he is a different kind of leader. but he hoped to sit down with a soviet leader and see if they could make a breakthrough. gorbachev turned out to be that person, but not initially. gorbachev thought that reagan was a dinosaur. i think you're rich off was 55 or 56. there was about 20 years difference. he did not mean it because he thought he was old. very orthodox marxism. but they came to like each other. they came to like each other because they argued directly, for the first time, in a way that no american president or soviet leader had before. they argued about ideological differences between the countries. some of the transcripts are fascinating. we did not learn about these until the 1990's, but they were very frank, serious, earnest and a bit jocular. the most interesting

so, as they say, gorbachev came to see these places with his own eyes.on’t remember something like that, well, what about gorbachev’s conclusion. tell me, no one rents housing here. yes , what problems remain with me. yes , it's uncomfortable somehow in our area every guest is a big holiday. so don't be shy. thank you. i need a broken phone. what is the urgency of the fire, or what? worse dmitry yasny sokol, the hospital died? what are you, well hell, when will it work, but today or in a week? oh, and i have a letter left for him, so the addressee has dropped out. calm down maybe his fate is such a fate it's all fun. it's the damn fox. i warned him. i told him, oh guard, where will the former be here or in the city, is it here? we will bury the world here, we get up in the churchyard of zorinsky, so it’s exactly here that lyusya dmitry sergeevich died. oh, who is there or not? i can’t even understand what i saw. in a dream, it’s such a horror, not even imagine, there, like this, they tore nothing, nothing went. so what happened? now wait, what are you do

the mathematician on that day, sit kafgan, warned gorbachev that the ussr was waiting for an imminentpse. on tv i have an engine for 24 hours if the record is all. perhaps mikhail sergeevich did not take seriously the disturbing prophecy, but in vain he foresaw the end of the soviet union long before this meeting with gorbachev in moscow, i said when in 1982 . socialism kept warm memories of man in his soul. ke, but, fate, entrusted the helm to the greatest superpower, but he could not save her, gorbachev still did not i respect here, because they listen to me, which will offend you. why do they do this, so people think that it is he who said the words to him at the twenty-eighth congress of the cpsu and the upcoming collapse of the soviet union cost him very dearly. when i said that's 33%. to prove that his prophecy is taken. not from the ceiling. cold calculation was perceived as the delirium of a madman. here's a red flag considered this calculator. why because the soviet union 15 republics is a calculator. see, it's a sum. let's +9 1 + 5 + 9 15 is 15. this is 150. 9.17 1977 the ye

yes, there really was such a decembrist gorbachev, but he has nothing to do with our region.d on the documents of the st. petersburg archive, which mentioned both kulainsk and tayozhny and lenses. this is mistake, because gorbachevsky was exiled in shlisselburg and near chita, but not in our area, but it didn’t occur to you that the st. petersburg archive is much richer than your home-grown records. are you more likely to make a mistake than they are? yes. and here i have facts, but they contradict what you say, you and then you study gorbachev in a cave. why does this interesting people in no way prevent me from writing a dissertation, but the decembrists. and, if you don't like that i live like this, tell me straight and there is no need to portray. i'm just pointing out the inconsistency of the facts. thanks for staying. i hope this is enough. roman take your money. don't be offended. you for god's sake happy to stay. faith and stop for you. you understand everything that you told me, without evidence of this series, i somewhere once heard something, do not believe me. i b

and now gorbachev's perestroika, gorbachev's reforms - this was confirmed, and he said, we are unloading. we do not need such a powerful army, such a fleet. we are withdrawing our troops from germany from others. eh, the countries of europe and do not ask for anything in return, what the west did, it immediately entered these territories, nato troops set up their military bases and airfields there. and now their place is not empty. yes, e threatens us, too, and in this sense, this is gorbachevism. it should never be repeated. and what should be instead of it, uh, a healthy realistic understanding that the world is once again. for some reason, something that should be protected in various ways, including the military. uh, our uh, the state does not have a ministry of attack, not a ministry of aggression in any case ministry of defense uh, we, uh, build our policy so that we can protect ourselves, but we must do this, we must be able to do this be strong in strength. and we have our national interests and our national political interests. the economic sphere in the social sphere must be se

host: what did jim baker think of mikael gorbachev? susan: jim baker and his lifelong friend george h. w. bush, their great accomplishment, in many respects, was midwifing the end of the cold war. in many respects, they forged a unique partnership with mikael gorbachev and his foreign minister. it was a partnership that meant the difference between stability and a world not in crisis. when you see how hostile and adversarial relations had become of vladimir putin and russia have become you realize how differently it could have turned out. i think baker met many times with gorbachev and he would say that is the defining moment for both of them. host: why james baker? why did you choose to write 600 pages about james baker? peter: it is a very fast read. [laughter] host: i do not endorse books and i recommend it. peter: nobody had done a biography which was fascinating. most secretaries of state, it seems like somebody writes a biography. here you had, in some ways, the most consequential secretary of state of our time. if dean astin was

actually challenging the united states, because it understands that it is pursuing the so-called gorbachev policy, making one concession after another to the americans. under your feet. iran got nothing but the desire to kill him. therefore , they decided to escalate. it seems to me that the chinese do not have such experience as the iranians, so it seems to them that nu is another ledge. for example, i consider the appointment of a new foreign minister of a former ambassador to china as an attempt, but what if to cover up the cracks in us-chinese relations, that is , in every possible way to get away from the conflict. although i may be wrong. uh, you know, uh, a chinese went to washington who is now a minister speaking a while ago. uh, at our center, i, uh, by our rules, i can't repeat what he said, but i can share the general impression of no one. who left the room did not think that this man, but who is very friendly , despite his post. in general, who is not a diplomatic post, that he is a great friend in the united states and, in general, he was quite, how to say, energetically defen

and gorbachev keep saying there will be a peaceful coexistence. and we are going to add this paragraph around interrupting internal affairs and peaceful coexistence. he says it four times. he turns the powell and powell scrambles on the corner of the paper. and he puts it down and he slides it to reagan. and raegan looks at it and then gets up and says, the answer is, no. we are not adding that paragraph. and gorbachev explodes in gets in reagan's face. and in short order he's in his face. they are really yelling at each other, the whole deal is about ready to fall apart. and then gorbachev backs down and says okay. and they don't have the paragraph. and so everybody files out of the room. and they go back to the table and they see the piece of paper. and powell says, if you agree, you can never criticize them again. you could never criticize the soviet union again if you put that paragraph in a deal. and reagan saw that and he trusted powell so much. the whole deal was on that paragraph. so it was not only palace influence with reagan but with th

that's it, she smiles at the back of the outgoing gorbachev, quietly, says to her soul, we are waiting had a bes fire, and then further how much money was spent on bringing boris nikolayevich yeltsin to power, for what, in order to destroy the country in belovezhskaya pushcha and here report this to president bush on december 8, 1991, yeltsin's husband writes called me to inform about his meeting, if they are there kravchuk and stanislav shushkevich the president of ukraine and belarus in fact. he was still with them in the room of a hunting lodge near brest today - yeltsin said a very important event took place in our country. and i wanted to inform you personally, before you know about it and ask 25 million of our compatriots found themselves outside our country helpless, but confused. and the divorce continues and the village dies agriculture. you know how many military educational institutions from 1992 to 2015 were put under the knife, 67, just like that, offhand offhand. look, i won’t talk about everyone, factories stop producing their own aircraft. everything is imported. some f

>> guest: yeah, look, gorbachev is what are the most consequential men of our era. one of the most consequential people of the modern times. what's sad is he is not recognized as such in russia. in the west we see them as somebody who in effect whether he intended tote or not freed literally tens if not hundreds of millions of people and that the eastern european empire go without violence and give an opportunity to become a four-year and more prosperous. in russia itself when we were there he was the first person we interviewed only as correspondence. he also likes susan. remarkably impressive guy, and to us seeing a hero, and there as a villain because he led to the breakup of the emperor, they saw as somebody who they loathed. he was a person of great controversy there.e. in fact, you saw putin refused to go to assume when he passed away recently. >> host: what did jim baker think of mikhailke gorbachev? >> guest: low, jim baker and his lifelong friend of george h.w. bush who was the the pt when he was secretary of state, their great accomplishment in many respec

>> guest: yeah, look, gorbachev is one of the most consequential men of are our era. one of the most controversial people of the modern times. and what's sad. he's not recognized as such in russia. in the west, we see him as somebody who in effect, whether he intended to or not, freed tens, if not hundreds of millions of people, let the western european empire go without violence and allowing his country to become more freer and more, you know, prosperous. in russia itself, when we were there, he was actually the first person we interviewed when we went as correspondents. he also liked susan, but he was -- he's a remarkably impressive guy and as hero, to there, as a villain. because it led up to the breakup of the empire as somebody they loathed. a person of great controversy there, in fact, you saw putin refuse to go to his funeral when he passed away recently. >> host: what did jim baker think of mickhail gorbachev. >> guest: jim baker and life long friend george bush, president, mid wifing the largely peaceful end of the cold war and in many respects they forged a

overlooked or not focused on enough so then the second book is about reagan and the final summits with gorbachev and the speech he gives at moscow state university which in the big of history is an amazing speech if you think about it and it just wasn't focused on a lot of the time and then at the brink is fdr churchill and stalin planning d-day at their conference which gets over status by yalta so it's another spotlight that i wanted to give to something that i didn't think was focused on. once that three-day series was done and the beginning and the middle in the end of the cold war i wanted to find something that was also overlooked and i looked at grant and i thought, i know nothing about his presidency other than he was a drunk and it was scandal filled and he basically handed the baton off. i didn't really know and i'm a student of history and so we started digging in and grant, people will focus on his time as general which is really spectacular and there's amazing stories in the book to go through his time. it's 800 pages which i'm a big fan of but then he spends a lot of time on his pr

to seize power in the ussr and, having removed gorbachev from governing the country, created the statetee for the state of emergency, famous as something. i talked about it. george took my story seriously and immediately called moscow with the order to transfer his video camera programs from the reserves. only copiers and other equipment were commanded by the then chairman of the russian parliament, boris yeltsin, to journalists from radio stations ekho moskvy and a tv journalist from independent television. now employees organizations of the quarrel were able to perform in new roles. urgently, on the second day of the putsch, they provided video and audio equipment to journalists of the ekho moskvy and copying equipment for printing tens of thousands of leaflets and bulletins distributed throughout moscow. i will no longer try to convict the professor of falsehood. well, isn't this interference in internal affairs? now i'm not saying who is right, who is wrong? i'm not saying that it was necessary to help the gkchp. there 's enough degree, it's understandable. and in general, it 's te

could you comment on gorbachev legacy?st: look, gorbachev is one of the most consequential men of our era, one of the most consequent to people of the modern times. what's that is he's not recognized as such in russia. in the west we see them as somebody who in effect what he intended to or not freed tens of if not hundreds of leads the people who left the eastern empire goes up on a given opportunity to his own country to become more free and more prosperous. in russia itself and when we were there he was the first person we interviewed when we went as correspondence. he also likes susan. he wasy remarkably impressive guy, and to us seeing a hero, and there as a villain because he led to the breakup of the empire, they saw a somebody who they loathed. he was a person of great controversy there. in fact, you saw putin refused to go to his funeral when he passed away recently. >> host: what did to jim bar think of mikhail gorbachev? >> guest: well, i mean, look, jim baker and his lifelong friend george h. w. bush who was th

but she does understand that with gorbachev he potentially has a partner who could work with him on this and was absolutely relentless and pushing for this cabinet. over the reservations with these hardliners and her husband's own administration as caspar weinberger says one of the world histories she really had a lot more willingness to trust the soviets and a lot more because she had a lot of faith in her husband's ability as a negotiator. revealing the diagnosis with alzheimer's you talk about nancy and barking on the final chapter of their story and write even her harshest critics would acknowledge the grace and determination she would show when her devotion was put to its greatest test. she would gain a new appreciation never again would anyone doubt that she had fixed on her ronnie for all those years was anything but genuine. she would become one of the most admired women in the country. i think a lot of us watched the way she cared for him as the sort of ultimate expression of their marriage vows and devotion. share a little bit more about that chapter and how difficult it was fo

at the moment when, in mid-august 1991, a group of several members close to mikhal, sergeyevich gorbachev, as an apss and leaders of the kgb, decided to seize power in the ussr and, having removed gorbachev from governing the country, created the state committee for the state of emergency, the famous i told about this, that george took my story seriously and immediately called moscow with the order to transfer the video camera program from the reserves of his program. how many copiers other equipment for the team of the then chairman of the russian parliament boris yeltsin to journalists from radio stations ekho moskvy and television journalists from independent television, now the employees of the quarrel organization were able to act in new roles urgently, on the second day of the coup they allocated video and audio equipment to journalists ekho moskvy and copying equipment for printing, tens of thousands of leaflets and bulletins distributed throughout moscow, i will no longer try to convict the professor of untruth. well, isn't this interference in internal affairs? i don't now i say

the crime that was committed before yeltsin collapsed the soviet union was committed by mikhail gorbachevo betrayed eastern europe for nothing, giving it to be torn to pieces by this hawk, one of the proofs is the neglect of the fact that there is a feeling of power, a feeling of a person who has won a feeling of a person who at the moment managed to break the jackpot to deceive a partner. there is one piece of evidence, which is the point made by secretary of state baker, who, according to one of those present at that time at this meeting, looking at the back of the departing gorbachev. quietly said to bush we did it. from eastern europe from the allies of the soviet union led to the destruction of the security belt that was and which we are now trying to restore, leading. military special operation in ukraine for examples you don't have to look far. sorry, when the balt was, it was a showcase of the ussr with a huge industry power from factories to nuclear power plants. i remember my amazement, when i first came to vilnius to shoot and saw with my own eyes the word bar written in latin

bush told gorbachev that the collapse of the union was not in the interests of america, that he wouldo to kiev to the capital of soviet ukraine in order to convince ukrainians not to secede from the ussr ukraine was still a republic and the soviet union was still subordinate to moscow and gorbachev could forbid the american president to fly to kiev, but did not supreme backpack. many centuries ago, your ancestors called this country ukraine or the border, because in your degree lie between europe and asia but the ukrainians. now they have become border guards of a different rank. today you explore the boundaries of the contours of freedom, we will support those who intend to follow democracy and economic freedoms. it was, of course, a challenge in moscow that she swallowed 3 months after the referendum on sovereignty, the united states recognized the independence of ukraine the west was interested in rapprochement with ukraine and the west made it clear to ukraine that if it wants to become part of nato someday welcome ukraine kiev winter 2014 multi-day state on the maidan tea tents w

in the words of one of those present at that time on this meeting, looking in the back, retiring gorbachevietly said, bush, we made it. from eastern europe from the allies of the soviet union led to the destruction of the security belt that was and which we are now trying to restore, leading. a military special operation in ukraine for examples you don't have to look far. take the baltic states, it was a showcase of the ussr, with a huge industry power from factories to nuclear power plants. i remember my amazement when i first came to vilnius to shoot and saw with my own eyes the word bar written in latin letters was delight and pride in their native country, what do you know now? what is the population decline from 1991 to 2020 , lithuania population decline by 24.5%, latvia by 28.3%. in terms of the outflow of the population, they occupy the first two places in the european union, the country is seeking independence what are you doing ? in order for the inhabitants of this country to flee from it in search of a better life, earnings are normal. however, please note that before joining t

i recently spoke about this in vladimir solovyov’s program and putin is not gorbachev’s context, it’s. they are lame, each situation is unique, including the current one, therefore, as a person, of course, i want us to live peacefully, so that we develop our hardworking people. we can do a lot if we don't get in the way. then, of course, our results would be much better than those people who reproach us for , say, that belarus does not provide adequate high incomes there, and so on. uh, well, uh, is there another question to ask? here, the prosecutor general's office is investigating the case of the genocide of the belarusian people, it is necessary to insist on this for a long time to give a legal assessment of the criminal law and economic. e, that, e, the damage that our country has suffered as a result of the sanctions imposed on belarus since 1997, it artificially hinders development. you know, i don't know this. uh, the sprinter tries to run and gets grabbed by the legs all the time. well, let me joke, probably, switzerland would have a rest. if we didn't at least interfered, bu

>> yeah, gorbachev is one of the most consequential man of our era. controversial people of the modern times. what's sad is that he is not recognized as such in russia. in the west we see him as somebody that inm effect whethr he intended to were not freed literally tens of if not hundreds of millions of people and let the empire go without violence and gave an opportunity to his own country to become free and more prosperous. in russia itself he was the first person we interviewed when we went as correspondence. he was a remarkably impressive guy and to us, seeing a hero because he led it to the breakup of their empire they saw him as somebody who they loathed. person of great controversy. use all putin refused to go to his funeral when he passed away recently. >> what did jim baker think of mikael gorbachev? >> jim baker and his lifelong friend george hw bush who was the president when he was secretary of state, you know, they are great in many respects was sort of midwife in the largely peaceful end of the cold war and in many respects they forged

mines, the nationalists tried to attack our military, but even in the face of regular shelling, gorbachevmpetently laid a route through difficult terrain. as a result, the convoy arrived at the scene promptly and without any losses. the street of belgrade, filled with russian flags, more than a thousand residents of serbia went to a rally in support of our country with tricolor music and the already traditional slogan serbs and russian brothers for a century, as local media report, the crowd almost completely stopped traffic in the center of the capital. however, there were no arrests that evening . french small businesses are experiencing an unprecedented decline in the bankruptcy rate in the sector has now reached almost 80%. local pundits justify such dynamics by rising energy prices, which now cost the french three times as much, and the president of the fifth republic openly named the perpetrators of such shocking statistics europe is going through a difficult period due to trade decisions made by our colleagues in the us the greening of the us economy will mean the day of the indust

i will say, let all people know the afghan prophet, the mathematician who warned gorbachev about thelapse of the soviet union to the dogs in america of our victory of the special operation in ukraine this year. let's go home, viktor vasilyevich is waiting. and in general, it's all over, we can do without scenes. do you need help? march no problem then aside take your hands raised. tell me. march does not release. you saw it yourself, you don't need to take your passport away. only why are you better than me. you only think about yourself. only if i tell you everything now. so and they will kill me here. like alyona who killed her? everything, everything good. good to tell you everything. we can't do that, we 'll have to comply with its conditions. yes , what the hell are the conditions ignat this is a creature, knows everything about the murder of alena let the investigators tell everything in general remember that everyone should shovel they have their own game. why are we witnesses? and that in moscow pick up the phone, pick up the phone, the bastard time is half past six. he sleep

but he does under stand with gorbachev he potentially has a partner who would work with her on this. she's absolute relentless for this to happen. and by the way the reservations of a lot of the hawkish hardliners one of the oral histories i read she really was lia lot more willing to trust te soviets that a lot of us were. she had a lot of faith. >> after president reagan wrote his letter to the american people this diagnosis with alzheimer's and talked about bark in the final chapter of their love story. even her harshest critics would acknowledge the grace and determination she would show devotion was put to its greatest test for it and seeing nancy strength the nation would gain a new appreciation of her character. never again whenec anyone doubt the adoring gaze she had fixed on her ronnie for all of those years with anything but genuine. she become of the most admired women in the country. i think a lot of us watched the weight she cared for him as an ultimate expression of their devotion. and i remember how fiercely protective she was of him in those final years. share a littl

can you comment on gorbachev's legacy? >> guest: gorbachev is one of the most consequential men of our era. what's sad is he is not he's not recognized as such a in russia. in the west we see him as someone in effect whether he intended to or not he freed tens of hundreds of people and left the empire to go without violence and gave the opportunity. to us seeing a hero because he led to the break of the empire they saw him as somebody they loathed. he was a person of great controversy i think you saw they would go to his funeral when they passed away or something. >> host: what did jim baker think of mikhail gorbachev? >> guest: jim baker and his lifelong friends and who was the president as the secretary of state the great accomplishments is a midway thing the largely peaceful end and they forged a uniqueun partnership with mikael gorbachev and his foreign minister and for them it was a partnership that meant the difference between civility and a world not in crisis and opposite. when you see how hostile the adversarial r

medical assistance to wounded comrades and organized their evacuation to a safe area sergeant evgeny gorbachevhe safety of the column. in during engineering reconnaissance, he discovered several improvised explosive devices. evgeny skillfully neutralized five enemy mines and landmines, the nationalists tried to attack our military, but even under conditions of regular shelling, gorbachev competently laid a route through difficult terrain. as a result, the convoy arrived at the scene promptly and without any losses. the crew of many su-35 target fighters conducted patrols. in the sky over the zone of a special military operation , such tasks are constantly set for pilots, as well as to cover airplanes and helicopters. when attacking the enemy when enemy targets are detected, the fighters are equipped with missiles, air bombs for various calibers and a cannon, the su-35 radar system simultaneously tracks 130 missile targets by 80. during the air duty, we mainly carry out tasks to cover our aircraft from impact we also do not allow the work of the attack bomber aviation of the enemy, we do not al

and then, after a few literally no, not gorbachev's first assistant, and he can't ask. can i give our television? i never thought that i would sit with you in the studio for the entire interview. traitorous behavior is the difference between a man and a woman noticed then it turns out that my husband and my cat are the most intelligent creatures of orientalism. this is conditionally some kind of parallel agenda, continuation of the conversation in the new episodes of our podcasts, so that nothing don't miss. subscribe listen and watch on the video platform watching.

do not want, just like gorbachev, any more opposition to the system we will live.verything is good. well, we already lived with you, while we were already adults. yes, i had practically served the army when it unfolded, so to speak, in full, uh, in full. i remember it very well. and i remember it physically. that's when you say that this is it. well, you hear some other voice. i can't hear him. if there is a voice, then it is the voice of the siren, you understand from and from the journey of odysseus e. well, by the way, i want to tell you that uh hmm for example, uh these biden statements today dmitry sergeevich peskov commented, so he does not hear the voice of the sirens, listen from european capitals from washington , there is a constant statement, but that the direction of various weapons systems. including tanks on ukraine in no way means the involvement of these countries or the alliance in the hostilities that are taking place in ukraine, we strongly disagree with this in moscow . everything that the alliance and its capital that i mentioned are doing is p

can you comment on gorbachev's legacy? >> guest: one of the most consequential men of the era of the modern times. what's sad is that he is not recognized as such. in the west we see him as somebody in effect whether he intended to or not who freed hundreds of millions of people and left the empire go without violence and gave the opportunity to his own country to become free and more prosperous. he was the first person we interviewed as correspondence. he also was a remarkably impressive guy and to us see him as a hero and a villain. they saw him as somebody who they loathed. he was a person of great controversy there. use all putin refused to go to his funeral. >> whatae did jim baker think of mikhail gorbachev? >> guest: his lifelong friends and george hw bush who was the president when he was secretary of state, the great accomplishment in, many respecs was midway the largely peaceful cold war and in many respects they forged a partnership with both mikael gorbachev and his foreign minister. for them it was a partnersh

in a few months, general, secretary gorbachev and i hope to meet once again, this time in moscow. last month in washington, we signed the intermediate nuclear forces treaty in which we agreed to eliminate an entire class of u.s. and soviet nuclear weapons. it was a history making step toward reducing the nuclear arms of both sides. but it was just a beginning. now, in geneva, soviet and american representatives are discussing a 50% reduction in strategic nuclear weapons. perhaps we can have a treaty ready to sign by our meeting in spring. the world prays that we will. we on the american side are determined to try. you see, we have a vision of a world safe from the threat of nuclear war. and indeed, all war. such a world would have far fewer missiles and other weapons. today, both america and the soviet union have an opportunity to develop a defensive shield against ballistic missiles, a defensive shield that will threaten no one for the sake of a safer peace. i am committed to pursuing the possibility that technology offers the general secretary, and i also anticipate continuing o

going to allow gorbachev position to happen. now the, the question is why has western europe western european politicians failed so comprehensively here? and by the way, in the course of failing, i think they've said western europe for a tremendous amount of economic and political trouble in the coming decade. my fear is that the center will collapse in western europe and then you will have a choice between left and the right. i would prefer that we would go in the left direction, but my fear is the wife is going to win out. and that would be a terrible step back now. for russia and china, they don't really care who wins out. they would have liked to have dealt with the sensible center, but once the sensible center sheets on them and turns against them aggressively, then they'll deal with whoever they have to. so i think western europe is going to be the most interesting point of political and economic conflict in the coming decade. just isn't it interesting, you know where the west says that projects, prosperity and security an

by the way, it’s also the amount that mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev once took out into the open fieldp of forces of germany and officers, yes, and betrayed, uh, hundreds of thousands millions of communists, but in all states of eastern central europe and in his memoirs. uh, so markus, the head of the east german intelligence of the stasi , recalls that they approached gorbachev, the leaders of west germany say so . well, somehow we may need to give some guarantees by this, we don’t need to deal with them, as it is considered necessary. uh, so the fact is that this is all a consequence of these processes and the russian leadership, realizing, as i said at the beginning of the program, offered a mortal threat several times. let's discuss no, then we reserve our right to military response, and that's what they wanted. because they clearly understood that this was both a second afghanistan and an opportunity to reformat the energy market , an opportunity to make money and make money. and for a decade. therefore, i will insult all those killed in this war, in fact, i do not single out anyo

here it is impossible to allow gorbachevism then. no enemy will be fine.selves if we are monolithic, if we listen to the president, if we are mobilized, no enemy will do anything to us , but history shows us that hmm there are revisionists. uh, those who and what we don't have here are those who, oh, listen. well, what are you doing to us here? fuck there and so on. we want to go to poland for purchases. well, no. we have those who, including among officials, and so on, if this were not the case, then there would be no twentieth year, that you don’t know the peculiarity of the thirty-seventh year, for example, here protukhachevsky and all about these taldych i love dick, there and so on. uh, it means, because they touched the elite, and before that it was the case of the thirtieth year of the generals. so, too, the civil war and so on, like surnames, even no one knows, no one will tell, will not tell about the storytelling about the two repressions of the twenties, because these were the suppression of the people. but the repressions against the elite agai

uh, gorbachev will probably ask. eh, ether, so yeltsin did not allow me to meet with him.so what, you won’t meet anything either. i say, interestingly, you succeed, but the person is defeated. so why are they wiping his feet, then? what, what will happen if you meet him? he says, i warned you, so i say, you do not order me, i am under federal control. and then after a few literally take. gorbachev's first assistant is not allowed to ask me. i said, can i give you air on our tv? i never thought that i would sit down with you in the studio to conduct an interview for myself personally. kurkova did not ask for anything and did not receive anything, unlike many first-wave democrats in the country then , instead of the promised ideals. freedom of glasnost, the decline of rampant crime kurkova's relationship with yeltsin deteriorated in 1993, at a meeting with the editors-in-chief of the russian media, she openly opposed the president was followed by the persecution in the newspapers on the fifth channel, the reduction of states and financial checks on turmeric itself made an at

mikhail gorbachev, it was built at the end of the eighties of the last century especially for the president did not have time to visit here, he oversaw the construction of returns, gorbachev's wife raisa maksimovna , she personally came here three times, but so i couldn’t spend the night here. the furniture is now installed new, but exactly where it should have been according to the original project. many are used to it. is it possible to tear off abkhazia for everyone to have a rest, but in the republic they assure tourists will find something to do, both in winter and in the off-season , infrastructure. we are ready to receive people, all year round makes no difference. this is the season for us. in fact. we have a lot of tour objects showing business cards such as lake ritsa well athos cave. the city of new athos. naturally the city resort. gagra can receive tourists all year round january holidays showed tourists. more than 6,000 people have tried winter abkhazia alone in the new athos caves. and tourists are surprised not only by sights. we are amazed at the number of tangerines. ah, f