and here is an explanation from mikhail gorbachev himself.wering questions about the preservation of the union, citizens should, of course, keep in mind that we are not talking about the old, but the new, transformed, truly federal union state. some republics decided to hold their own republican referendum in ukraine in parallel with the all-union one and were asked to decide. whether it is necessary to participate in the renewed federation on the basis of the previously adopted declaration of sovereignty for the then ukrainian elite with it. this was an insurance mechanism. we virgos participate in the union, but only on our sovereign terms as russian citizens. it was proposed to additionally vote for the introduction in the republic of the post of president, elected by the people, as many rightly suspected a new post, they were going to establish it for a very specific person. boris yeltsin, february and march 1991 were marked by the most acute political struggle in connection with the referendum with gorbachev and his team, they mobilized

inner circle; he became gorbachev's main adviser on political issues.re is what he wrote in notes hot on the heels of the problem, the decisive choice of 1988, let's listen to a valuable witness, the innovations introduced over 3 years knocked the economy out of the knurled korea and instead of accelerated development. started accelerated degradation. cause half-heartedness, the palliative nature of the implemented measures, the market does not smell, and the economy is already falling apart. and what was to be done? what was the way out, it was necessary to either give back or go for a breakthrough, we listen further to georgy shakhnazarov. yes, at that moment it was not too late, and the tops and bottoms were ready to return to the old order, since the beginning of the reforms did not bring an improvement in life and did not bode well ahead, it was not too late to bang the table with your fist and declare that the party would not tolerate the weakening of the foundations socialism and an attempt on his leadership role that the main tasks of perestroik

when gorbachev finally came along. now, i'm not saying that ronald reagan by himself forces the soviet union to select gorbachev. it's not, you know, you know, gorbachev selection is a product of a number of internal soviet factors as well. but but scholars, i hope they will take this argument seriously because i didn't see in any break come up with for need to that that was very a very part of president reagan's purpose was to pressure that soviet system to produce a reformist leader to feel like we've got no other choice. you know, our old ways of doing things are completely collapsing. we've got to turn to a reformer. and so you know more directly to melissa's question about, you know, what gorbachev was thinking. gorbachev share reagan's goal of avoiding destroying the world in a nuclear war. so he was he was committed to that. and gorbachev generally wanted to ease some of the repression within, the soviet system. he wanted to improve its totally decrepit, sclerotic economy, which couldn't feed own people, which i

gorbachev and yeltsin, you know, he worked for president gorbachev, but i really liked him. i know a lot of people didn't like him because he was a man of the world. i think that at that time the most important thing was world peace. he wanted the cold war to end, he believed in cooperation international cooperation. it was generally a difficult period in the history of the country, and, unfortunately, the west took advantage of what gorbachev did because he said, i found the military alliance i want to build again. i don't want us to have a military alliance and the west say we promise we won't find it to the east. nato will not advance he stopped the war in afghanistan returned the exiles of andrei dmitrievich sakharov, together with president bush, buried the cold war in malta became the godfather of the united by germany we received publicity, and in the elections the right to delete from the list those who we did not like and yet the country exploded blood and hatred, when old people and children are not spared by injustice boundaries of interethnic hostility, social an

everything rotted there, gorbachev inherited a whole complex of problems.dn't have an election. listen, china also inherited a set of the same problems and even more, but it got out of the current us such a set of problems that even tomorrow it dissolves this country. well, they don’t dissolve it in the vzvom , take a look, what a complex of problems, that someone is dissolving france to have a complex of problems - this is a given for a public administrator. its' his job. in any the state is always roaming hundreds of heterogeneous viruses. and why is it strange in africa, where the war has been going on for 30 years in a row, and most of the population lives on a dollar a day, that there is nothing anyone says that our state draws itself no, it clings to power over the territory by everyone like those. i say suicide happened, whom to blame for any fault. but you know that here you can't spend a whole life especially badly, to correct what came in the ninety-first. and if you ask, taking 50, what does it look like what for? i'm not happy i know the answer.

of the head viktor chebrikov's kgb the release of sakharov was the first political sensation of gorbachev'sestroika. returning to moscow , sakharov resumed work at his native physics institute of the academy of sciences and plunged headlong into perestroika politics. in 1989. he was elected a people's deputy of the ussr and at the first deputy congress, he naturally became the moral leader of the democratic opposition known as the inter-regional deputy group. at the first congress of people's deputies in may-june 1989, andrei sakharov performed 8 times, painfully, overcoming the wave of condemnation, drowning out the applause and even outbursts of hatred from the aggressively obedient majority. he proposed to abolish the article of the constitution, which assigned the leading role to the cpsu, to transfer all power from the party to the councils , to make the government return the land to the peasants under an accountable parliament. in an effort to prevent the ussr, which was already beginning to disintegrate, sakharov personally wrote a draft of a new constitution, which, in his opinion ,

did not do this in gorbachev.d you will not praise him. you praise him only because he is destroying the soviet union for no other reason. you also praise yeltsin and he said that sooner or later, anyway, to return to the ideas of stalin, and so, in essence, i say, no matter what they say in the west. there's a whole corpus of, uh, some permanent quotes. they say something all the time. let's look at things. they say russia has lost the entire counteroffensive. why are they now completely recreating the structure. nato 40.000 were ready to 300. here are the leaks, here on july 11 12 vilnius will be on their own. yes, already leaks of a planned war with russia infrastructure. she got rebuilt army command to the north of us from belarus multinational cop, division now the corps will already be resurrected corps commands divisional brigades, then what happened, here i am now , wake me up at night i remember, then the northern group of the army, the central group there e, west german, then with the danish corps, then

i didn't mention gorbachev by name except in repeating mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall, because i think it's very important to the talk about what he did. but what he did, so much of it he was -- well, nearly all of it he was forced into with. ask that's what doesn't get passed on. doesn't get passed on on the my students. it wasn't get passed on the your students unless you're teaching the class where you're trying to help them understand that. so it becomes the, well, there was this cold war between the two sides, and then concern this is the best case scenario, then you have the two leaders that could audiocassette together and they figureddo out -- talk together and they figured out what to do, and they met four times. only four, you know? [laughter]m. they met four times and it was only them, they finally shook hands and then some weapons were destroyed. i mean that's -- can right? and so we have to explain the whole thing. and i think that we need to give reagan his cue. it doesn't mean he was perfect on everything, but we have to gi

i wanted to mention people tend to emphasize gorbachev and i can only say that gorbachev was based with three simultaneous crises, a crisis of legitimacy where he was losing his own intelligentsia and who had lost faith in socialism and its promises. people have becomeyn incrediblyn the soviet union and cynicism partyflected amongst members to the extent that apologists in this country were saying theyt aren't communists anymore because they don't believe in the ideology and of course they fail to understand how the ideology can and must continueti to be operational in the system no matter how and i'm believing that people are within the system. but there was that crisis and then there was the crisis of a military economy and what anthony was talking about here all of those straws on the camels back the credits all of that stuff put his military economy in such a state of crisis that he had to do something. they simply couldn't develop their own innovative technologies. they had to get it from the west and in order to get the western technological and financial bailout they had to launc

, is telling the truth , only gorbachev was a liberal.o a certain extent, at least. and this one fascist, but the fact that he is harming official russia was not a doubt for me, i prayed that he would stay in his positions for another month, not from the other side, because putin is already supported by the ministry of defense. he said that nothing. if he had not done anything, he would have really supported us, he would have been handsome. if the handsome man is still saying what we hear , it only means that he is putting his eggs in the whole basket. what do you think, mr. igor, in general, do you imagine a new shooting riot in russia, because in russia everything looks incredibly medieval . to be honest, i think that we just live in the middle ages , but now we just returned, then i already wanted to be peter the first. well, here, here, please . yes, they are not only the copper horseman. to me it always seemed that after all, i was completely a project of putin, to be created by putin together with all this wagner, well, that’s how m

immediately say that i came up with it, but i do not support it that prigozhin is such a type of gorbachevo a certain extent and to a certain extent because i am a little older than you i remember that very well not because he was loved but because suddenly there was a person who was normal and spoke on her face some kind of living human ones features, he doesn't like something, he likes something, he likes normal emotions, he has a much larger vocabulary, which is surprising because he is a prisoner and so on, that is, i remember when gorbachev came. it was a shock, not because he wore the same ties as all the soviets, these jackets , these hats so stupid, but suddenly he spoke and started joking and started talking after brezhnev or chernenko chintsi and when i look at these beautiful russian generals, what two words can i not say on this putin on this background is simply beautiful some kind of poet and in general gentlemen are like that in general lord byron and a richer vocabulary of emotions, well that is a living person correctly i understand that it can be very liked by russians wh

gorbachev, some poor man got on a plane to krasnaya square, everything was taken off, all the managemente, it’s nonsense, that’s absolutely correct. well , first of all, let’s be honest. i know a large number of my acquaintances stocked up on popcorn and sat down at the screen and waited for what would happen, and secondly, of course, we probably haven't seen all the results of what happened in the third lukashenko, well, from those long statements that he made. yes, and there were several interesting moments, one topic less concluded in the fact that he said that this is a beauty, someone is standing. yes, the question is, how is the same with them standing, and we are also this, i hope i saw the finale. it is very interesting to note that we are all about whom now everyone pretends that they are generally simple there was no pre-hozen declared that there was no shelling of the ego of the people, although it seems that the whole conflict started because of this, and it was said that several dozen people were killed about the wrecked helicopters and the plane, they simply forgot everythi

at first, the united states lied, promising gorbachev not to do this.l , us foreign secretary james baker and others assured me that nato was not an inch will move east. the americans did not fulfill this promise. mikhail gorbachev , president of the ussr then they lied that such a promise had never existed at all. analysts say that promises were made and concessions should not be expanded. you understand first.

let's look at this transcript started a conversation gorbachev assures that we believe that nato shouldt expand the scope of its activities. we must find reasonable solutions. i understand the security interests correctly. soviet union and i understand that you mr. general secretary of the soviet leadership. we will have to clearly explain to the soviet people what is happening here, if we expand this speech, which is what is being said here, well, gel-mat-folchik, in fact, he took such a few steps with gorbachev, bypassing the government of the gdr, when they entered into negotiations without the presence of east germany this there was a violation of the agreement, a violation of protocols and etiquette. there is a position to the west in this position. all the time, they say. show the paper in which you must sign that it is not expanded you were promised in words they gave you paper. no, they didn’t, then you have nothing to show us, whether the promise of any politician is verbal from the point of view. e jurisdiction of western law by a promise that is international. today we have c

which to a large extent predetermined the further course of the history of the ussr together with gorbachevo very important for andropov personally. in led to many parties and state structures. i kiss the blankets of figures charged with change, the essence of which they did not represent very clearly to nikolai ryzhkov, alexander vladimirovichkov for all of them , andropov became the forerunner of the coach and those who showed the way, we can safely say that without andropov's work in the ussr would not have taken place known to us perestroika. today, the day of russia, festive events are held throughout the country. on june 12 , the residents of the far east began to celebrate the first concerts, movie marathons, flash mobs, sports competitions. auto runs to him in magadan started the national festival territory of friendship. and the annunciation solemnly opened the exhibition of the hero of russia with portraits of the fighters of the special operation participants. the volunteers handed over the first passports to the young athletes who were excellent students in khabarovsk.

house, yuzhny straight foros e, gorbachev's dacha 500 m.st and it started, just i was in this one and was arrested. you can say, well, in any case, i was interned for exactly 3 days, but i watched this process a little from the inside, i must say all this talk about some kind of there, i understood one rebellion, in general. it's complete stupidity and stupidity no planning and no this think that this one is exactly the same. actually, if they are sensible and well-planned - this is already as they say. uh reaching- this is no longer a mutiny. it’s already called differently, it achieves its goal, therefore, well, the result was the collapse of the ussr, the results of this unsuccessful rebellion were , in the end, precisely this collapse of the ussr, therefore , such things must be taken seriously in this sense, our president is absolutely right, what makes it so important constantly about it. uh says because really. uh, this is the story of the wagners. she did, of course. i think the damage to our state is significant, of course, in all

uh, the rsmd is gorbachev . perestroika of the strategic forces is again gorbachev shevardnadze.l the agreements were concluded , so to speak, when we had more or less, a when uh were unprofitable, yes, and when we entered yes, it’s not that the cis2 agreement that they launched in 1991 did not have time to sign snvd-1 sn2. it generally provided for the destruction of all our heavy missiles with multiple warheads . this is the backbone of our squad. if this were done, we would be left without , uh, nuclear forces at all , so the speech is ending . indignation, and this will not help, because our audience already knows that sullivan is lying. here i am watching her euro. they say that they are shelling here, the city of shebekino well, ukraine says that it's not them and it's a lie. so you need someone to shoot the martians or something, cretins because of the european union, false sales cheap stuff? i am a disgrace to the european media, but, as i understand it, this is such a refuge, including ours, i run, i like to take them, in fact, i must speak frankly. there is, there are a

says in an interview with the voice american president of the ukrainian grain association mykola gorbachev is among the countries that import the most grains from ukraine, therefore , according to gorbachev, beijing is very interested in the continuation of the black sea grain agreements which ensure the export of grain to china, very large ships are coming, we will send there ships of 50-70,000 tons in order to be at least somehow competitive on that market, therefore china is the number one country that will be interested in extending the sea corridor because the most grain as well as before the war and during the war, she went to china . today, ukraine and china have signed protocols for the export of corn and barley and grain meal to china . ukraine cannot yet export wheat to china . if there is a greater demand for grain in china, then it is clear that it is closer and logistically cheaper to use asian countries such as australia, therefore australia is the number one competitor in the chinese market for us , but how does the asian grain market look like this year will also experience

well, that’s how it was during the collapse of the soviet union so they arrested and captured gorbacheve difficult because gorbachev had quite such a notable proven stain and he was known among the leaders there in western countries, but what exactly is the angle that just connects to no one because all the time there are different point, you, as the real putin, will prove what he said. it is already impossible to do. there are no genetic tests. it is possible to be the head of security. he can simply change another job. what kind of deal is this with the same patrus boarder? it’s all state. a coup d'état can happen these days. it's so quiet that we even have it. thank you, mr. mykhailo prytula, a military expert, a reserve colonel of the security service of ukraine, an expert in military counterintelligence was with us, stay with us . next, we will talk about the planes that ukraine can get.

but then four months later, gorbachev, even though he survived that attempt, he was out of office andunion collapsed. so i wouldn't be surprised if again we're going to see some effects of this activity over a number of months with the kremlin probably ending up being less popular than it was before this attempt. meanwhile, we saw ukrainian president zelensky visiting troops today. how do you think we'll see him respond? well, the ukrainians haven't really launched the full—scale counteroffensive yet. they've been conducting probing attacks to look for weak points in the russian frontlines, but now, after this confusion, there could be further weaknesses or gaps in the russian frontlines so i imagine the ukrainians will do some more probing attacks but this is certainly good for ukrainian military prospects. they could have some pretty sensational attacks if some of the russian forces melt away and that is a risk that the kremlin�*s probably worried a lot about. but ambassador, wouldn't this be an opportunity for ukraine to go bigger and bolder with this counteroffensive, if there is

and under the late gorbachev, she earned her living by her poverty.ose who were defeated, who provided the first aid to gum. if germany started like this, and why did they fight? our grandfathers did not fight, they would drink bavarian ones, it came from there. why do they not believe that russia can recover, that the russian army will show itself, because they are not used to this image of russia and despite all the achievements of putin in putin's russia, it is difficult for them to break this faith, it is difficult for them to adapt to this new world. them. you need to go through a few more such humiliations, like a pancake in beijing when they put him at the table, where the dolphin sits at the head, they are like it was even the minister of foreign affairs in these chairs on an equal footing and there they succumb like a tea or how they can think about the matter, already building themselves such a philosopher, not so much, but the party state, they have lost the habit of this role. i'm not sure that in one generation they will perceive it again

so they arrested and captured gorbachev there, but then it was more difficult because gorbachev had a rather remarkable tattoo and he was well-known among the leaders of western countries. and who exactly is putin speaking ? different points all the time, then you, like the real putin , will prove what he said. it is no longer possible to do it. there are no genetic tests, but in the head of security. you can simply change another job and do anything with the same patrus boarder. everything is state a coup d'état can take place these days so quietly that we even have it thank you mr. mykhailo prytula, a military expert, a reserve colonel of the security service of ukraine, an expert in military counterintelligence , was with us, stay with us. next, we will talk about the planes that ukraine can get in the e-e, bohdan dolintsia, aviation the expert will be on our airwaves, stay, in fact , an extra enemy is caught, you drink the antidote, so it brings out the aunt without worries, the blue antidote, the exclusive plantain can become an obstacle on foot, the descent from pain in the knee

yes, that's how it was, because then i heard many times that gorbachev was there .is what he came up with, it was for me. uh, my friend told me how he arrived. well , i saw it all with my own eyes, and i saw that in addition to stupidity, this whole thing is not molded. uh, well, the point is that this result was the collapse of the country. the result is this, of which the organizers are clearly clocked no one wanted at all, no one wanted, no one seemed to want it, no one seemed to want it, except maybe the liberals, who were then called democrats. if you remember, then they were called the soviet union. there was no big war, but there was no war, yes, and in this sense, it was less. everything is still tragic at that moment, at least for the dead. there are three guys there, so to speak, and so on, but, uh, in short, i think that we were on the verge of a very serious test, and i. well, i hmm forgive me. i you let's you finished. haha. well i want to tell them so about, well, you understand. that's what i want here is the president's speech. in my opinion , very s

gorbachev and glasnost are out, a new wave of civil warring is in, and a coup engineered by communist hardliners has been deposed of power and his one-time rival, boris yeltsin may be the only home for a democratic future. >> soviet hardliners held gorbachev captive for two days, but the coup attempt backfired and people took to the streets of moscow. this iconic image of soon-to-be boris yeltsin was taken of him talking to crowds in moscow atop a tank. this signaled the end of the soviet union, which dissolved later this year. our next guest was the russian foreign minister in this time and continued in on this role under boris yeltsin. joining me now is andre kosnarev. thank you for joining me. i want to start with the idea of what your read is on right now of why this fight spilled over into the public and took such a dramatic turn over the weekend. >> there is very little comparison, actually, with 1991. because that was about political future. political choice of russia. and the people went out -- we were in the so-called white house. we were surroundeddy tanks, because we were a

well, i thought he was smarter, but we have examples of gorbachev's legs hump hunchback kissed that got? that's exactly how it will be with him and then in ukraine people want to live, you know? whatever it is. then we’ll figure out who is to blame, this will also not be in their favor, but now stop the war so that people are not ready for any development of events without hesitation, he will answer. if necessary , stressed the president's red line. alexander lukashenko called a full-scale aggression. against our country it is developing according to a completely different scenario . wounded according to the russian ministry of defense, these figures do not include those who died as a result of the use of russian high-precision weapons. added department. as far as so, called the counteroffensive. kiev is heating up washington held its breath, the washington post reports, a storm is approaching the us government, which they willingly ignore, the weapons provided to kiev, the money of the ukrainian soldiers' training site have put the internal stability of the state on the knuckle and wil

if gorbachev would be cool with nato troops just have in germany indefinitely, we agreed that there is no intention to expand the needle security zone further to the east. the supplies in general and not only to the german democratic republic, which we do not want to incorporate. and it's not like this issue of nato expansion just suddenly became a point of contention over ukraine way back in 2007 russian president vladimir puts in was already citing it as a problem. i think it is obvious that nato expansion has no relation with the modernization of the alliance itself or with ensuring security in europe. on the contrary, it represents a serious pro location that reduces the level of neutral trust. so nato, at this point is like the guy who's camping out on your front lawn while trying to claim that he's just playing neighborhood watchman. you know, just keeping an eye on things while he peers right into your window. and if anyone argues that they made a promise not to creep on russia, they'll just deny that that was never the case. claim nature problem is russia, it would not expand a

if gorbachev would be cool with nato troops just have in germany indefinitely, we agreed that there is no intention to expand a needle security zone further to the east of the supplies in general. and not only to the german democratic republic, which we do not want to incorporate. and it's all like this issue of nato expansion just suddenly became a point of contention over you. craig way back in 2007 russian president vladimir puts in, was already citing it as a problem. i think it is obvious that nato expansion has no relation with the modernization of the alliance itself, or with ensuring security in europe. on the contrary, it represents a serious publication that produces the level of neutral trust. so nato, at this point is like the guy who's camping out on your front lawn. well, trying to claim that he's just plain neighborhood watchman. you know, just keeping an eye on things while he peers right into your window. and if anyone argues that they made a promise not to creep on russia, they'll just deny that that was never the case. claim nature promise russia it would not expand

was there a sense that gorbachev have given away too much ground to nato from the get go as well? yes, i mean, most likely, for myself, even no super big daughter, how much weapons, right? the russian military. so you would treat your cash dash for the big war in europe. and so when the treat us side, it turned out to do, we had to say and very quickly move norma some out on so hard there a way behind the you are urls instead of troy, a jack into the fire beast and dump, but they are in the middle of a search or tie you are inside the area. so yes, there was a new russian military or take them by bit by surprise. the so you know, a trait by the terms that turned out when they think of them, even though most, i think the brown one, how many bias they had, and they had about a $100000.00. but you are to know, and most of them were in the european are russia and the eastern europe. so that's little so of course, always a problem because communications between the kremlin then the military, the russian lower trans. oh, well, a bit of a problem. the of the grandmother always knows what

if gorbachev would be cool with nato troops just have in germany indefinitely, we agreed that there is no intention to expand the needle security zone further to the east. the supplies in general and not only to the german democratic republic, which we do not want to incorporate. and it's not like this issue of nato expansion just suddenly became a point of contention over you. craig way back in 2007 russian president vladimir puts in, was already citing it as a problem. i think it is obvious that nato expansion has no relation with the model and ization of the alliance itself, or with ensuring security in europe. on the contrary, it represents a serious publication that produces the level of mutual trust. okay, so nato at this point is like the guy who's camping out on your front lawn. well, trying to claim that he's just plain neighborhood watchman. you know, just keeping an eye on things while he peers right into your window. and if anyone argues that they made a promise not to creep on russia, they'll just deny that that was never the case. claim nature promise russia it would not

if gorbachev would be cool with nato troops just have in germany indefinitely, we agreed that there is no intention to expand the needle security zone further to the east. the supplies in general and not only to the german democratic republic, which we do not want to incorporate. and it's all like this issue of nato expansion just suddenly became a point of contention over you. craig way back in 2007 russian president vladimir puts in, was already citing it as a problem. i think it is obvious that nato expansion has no relation with the modernization of the alliance itself, or with ensuring security in europe. on the contrary, it represents a serious publication that produces the level of neutral trust. so nato, at this point is like the guy who's camping out on your front lawn. well, trying to claim that he's just plain neighborhood watchman. you know, just keeping an eye on things while he peers right into your window. and if anyone argues that they made a promise not to creep on russia, they'll just deny that that was ever the case. the claim, nature promise russia it would not expa

if gorbachev would be cool with nato troops just have in germany indefinitely. we agreed that there is no intention to expand the needle security zone further to the east. the supplies in general, and not only to the german democratic republic which we do not want to incorporate . and it's not like this issue of nato expansion just suddenly became a point of contention over you. craig, way back in 2007 russian president vladimir puts in, was already citing it as a problem. i think it is obvious that nato expansion has no relation with the modernization of the alliance itself, or with ensuring security in europe. on the contrary, it represents a serious publication that reduces the level of neutral trust. so nato, at this point is like the guy who's camping out on your front lawn. well, trying to claim that he's just plain neighborhood watchman. you know, just keeping an eye on things while he peers right into your window. and if anyone argues that they made a promise not to creep on russia, they'll just deny that that was never the case. claim nature problem is

but then the next year changed with gorbachev, ending the code words together with me. and uh, the technicality is that where is she doing these everything you've a successful folks on conventional forces? oh, wow. this see, she could be very swift, we put together. so when the boy did so, i must hear changes and there's a bill of these. and if there are a negotiation going on and even on a level that allows for swift movement forward when the political atmosphere is good for that. and probably we only have one minute left. let me just ask you very quickly. do you expect given the geopolitical moment that we are in right now? so many crises planning out concurrently. do you expect that we're going to just be seeing more treaties unravel going forward? well, there's not many list already. so yes, i mean, right now we're in the confrontational mode. but again, this more and i'm from ation though, but it'd be size your in rush will have to find that some kind of pretty pro cool. some kind of modus vivendi moving forward, batch and then all right, well we have run out of ti

then four months later gorbachev, although he survived that attempt, he was out of office and the sovietd if again we are going to see some effects of this activity over a number of months with the kremlin probably ending up less popular thanit probably ending up less popular than it was before this attempt. than it was before this attempt-— than it was before this attem t. ~ ., attempt. meanwhile we saw zelensky visiting _ attempt. meanwhile we saw zelensky visiting troops - attempt. meanwhile we saw i zelensky visiting troops today. how do you think they will respond? ukrainians haven't launched the full-scale - respond? ukrainians haven't i launched the full-scale counter launched the full—scale counter attempt —— counteroffensive yet. now after this confusion there could be further weaknesses or gaps in the russian frontlines so eventually ukrainians will do some more attacks but this is certainly good for ukrainian military prospects. they could have some pretty sensational attacks if some of the russian forces melt away and that is a risk that the kremlin is probably worried a lot

if gorbachev would be cool with nato troops just have in germany indefinitely, we agreed that there was no intention to expand the needle security zone further to the east or the supplies in general. and not only to the german democratic republic, which we do not want to incorporate. and it's not like this issue of nato expansion just suddenly became a point of contention over you. craig way back in 2007 russian president vladimir puts in, was already citing it as a problem. i think it is obvious that nato expansion has no relation with the model and ization of the alliance itself, or with ensuring security in europe. on the contrary, it represents a serious pro location that reduces the level of neutral trust. so nato at this point is like the guy who's camping out on your front lawn while trying to claim that he's just plain neighborhood watchman. you know, just keeping an eye on things while we peers right into your window. and if anyone argues that they made a promise not to creep on russia, they'll just deny that that was never the case. claim nature promise russia it would not exp

we haven't seen anything like this since putin took power from gorbachev.are see one of our top nemesis, russia. for the first time we saw vladimir putin's power pressed by none other than the mercenary group he financed from a guy who used to be his personal caterer. i'm talking about the head of the wagner group who decide to go down the m-4 highway and take moscow. a deal is cut. he leaves for belarus. the wagner group disperses. so dan, obviously america is doing everything they can possibly as is nato to make sure you guys are successful in ukraine. what do these new events do for your war effort? >> nice to be on your show, brian. basically it gives us more impetus to keep pushing. we took back territory today while all of this nonsense was going on in russia. we'll keep pushing. as your previous commentator pointed out, the sooner we get planes, the sooner this will be over. the russian army is demoralized, the prisoners we are takeing are confused, they don't know what's going on. they don't know who's leading them. it took at wagner group over a ye

— gorbachev, what happened to the leaders? we were all put in prison. back— leaders? prison. back in 93. a — leaders? we were all put in prison. back in 93, a rebellion against boris — back in 93, a rebellion against boris yeltsin, the leaders were put in prison — boris yeltsin, the leaders were put in prison. after this armed mutiny in prison. after this armed mutiny in russia, — in prison. after this armed mutiny in russia, what has happened to yevgeny— in russia, what has happened to yevgeny prigozhin? off you go to belarus _ yevgeny prigozhin? off you go to belarus as a free man. that is quite interesting — belarus as a free man. that is quite interesting. also interesting is how he was _ interesting. also interesting is how he was cheered apparently by some of the crowds _ he was cheered apparently by some of the crowds in rostov on don last night _ the crowds in rostov on don last night as— the crowds in rostov on don last night as wagner fighters pulled out of the _ night as wagner fighters pulled out of the city so that will have buoyed up of the city so that

on the other side, we can also look at gorbachev after the coup, and how a week he looked.we can go either way. and we know putin is a student of history. and i think he will probably go more towards trying to consolidate his power but whether or not he would be successful, that's we don't know. >> helene, let me play with you what republican congressman said to my colleague chuck todd this morning on meet the press. >> i think this is weakening russia for maybe a decade to come, which is good for the baltics countries. it's good for poland. and it would be different if putin was a peaceful neighbor. >> based on your reporting and your sources, is that an assessment shared as well by the pentagon? >> it is certainly not good for putin. vladimir putin has had a really bad few days upon a really bad year and a half. and the way the pentagon and the pentagon officials have looked at it is this has been a bad time for putin. putin has survived challenges. putin, he has been around for 27 years. he is -- we don't know at this point how this plays out. but people at the pentagon

, palace the kremlin and the visit of an iranian delegation carrying imam khomeini's message to gorbachevneral secretary of the soviet union. in this meeting, there is also a woman in the iranian delegation, mrs. marzieh hadidchi, known as tahira dabbagh, mr. javadi amoli, who is in charge and spokesman of the iranian delegation in this trip, says one of the members. the iranian delegation was a respectable lady who had a history of political struggles a member of the islamic council of iran was very surprised that a woman in iran's islamic system could have social activity at this level . to which, on the one hand, petrified perceptions of the status of women, on the other hand, the role of women as a toy of colonialism was pinned to it. in these years, imam khomeini , the history maker of the 20th century, shouted that i am in my present state, many mothers and wives of martyrs were born. of course , the imam followed the respectful words of the pseudo-woman first he ran away with his wife, part 2, i became a child, god, during this time , i became separated from him, dear to my eyes an

and against gorbachev in 1991. that was a coup, and the arsenal was under control.on't want to scare people. you worry about mistakes and instability and whether or not the processes that protected us from mistakes between russia and the united states are still in tact. with the defense -- with a military force now coming in play, the wagner group, that is very different than in an internal russian military taking over, say, gorbachev. that will be the primary focus, and the ukraine issue and what's going on in ukraine will be secondary to the united states interests at this very moment as they are learning what is going on as well. >> that is the u.s. side. steve, you were the former chief of russian operations in the cia. what is happening in the kremlin? >> well, in the streetses outside, they are a little nervous. it's not something they are taking lightly. some of the guests were saying there is not a good chance that prigozhin is going to be able to pull this off, and i sort of agree with that point. he's not going to be able to take, you know, his soldiers an