chang is with us. he has written extensively about china. well, gordan, you have a pretty dramatic announcement here.be talking at all. really? >> we've been talking to the chinese for at least three decades. their trade behavior deteriorated across the board, especially last six years under xi xinping so i don't see what we'll get. while we talk these guys steal more intellectual property, to the tune of what, 3, $400 billion a year. talking to them is not going to solve this. stuart: wait a second. we're taking a hard-line. we've imposed tariffs on them. >> good start. stuart: keep messing around and it goes even higher come march the 1st. we've taken a hard-line. you surely wouldn't want to retreat completely, we're taking our ball, going home? >> we tried this approach before. taking a hard-line. it hasn't worked. the problem is, when we talk to the chinese, they think we want to engage them. you have all sorts of expectations on their side. they need to see a new attitude on the part of washington. obviously what we've been doing, stuart, has not in fact worked. stuart: we heard from washington