at the kids the long before that so i was back in the department of health by the time of the gordon brown administration so i don't think. because he was very influential on the approach taken by andrew lansley he'd written up his plans many many years before in response to these allegations mckinsey and company referred us to this statement which says mckinsey does not advise on policy it was not involved in drawing up the proposals in the health and social care bill it is for government to set policy. meanwhile in the past 24 hours in the middle east palestinians and the world so-called largest open air prison of commemorative the 72nd anniversary of the naca without physical protest you to coronavirus at least one ngo an edge is that israel backed by the u.s. and using british weapons is taking advantage of a pandemic to expand settlements illegal under international law joining me now via skype from haifa in the middle east is historian and author of the ethnic cleansing of palestine professor hanan pappy thank you so much and for coming on you coined the word no more aside this is be

was at mckinsey long before that so i was back in the department of health by the time of the gordon brown administration so i don't think. because he was very influential on the approach taken by andrew lansley he written up his plans many many years before really back in the blair administrations you could see the proposals coming from andrew lansley which was really in many. as a continuation of the policies that that labor government introduced competition choice the coalition didn't invent those the challenge really with all of those was with an ageing population increasing long term conditions competition just wasn't the right model what you needed was to try and build links between services between g.p.'s between hospitals between social care and trying to integrate plan it was the way forward rather than trying to create a competitive market so who actually is guiding this science that the government has been saying it is following mckinsey obviously have advised a big pharmaceutical companies and went sabbatical and speaks he was a scandal hit j.f.k. when similar chris when he spe

i think the last time it happened was with gordon brown. andy, can you hear me? absolutely.s been part of the dismissal, effectively, and various aids and they have had documentaries made about him and this is an extraordinary time for the government and as we enter day five of this bizarre test match between the media and the public and government showing no signs of moving on, does not look like mr cummings is stepping down from his position it does not look like anyone is stepping away from their support and what does this mean for the government ability to tell the public what to do when it comes to the next stage of lockdown restrictions? what is it also say about the power of the other cabinet members have been discussions about the prime minister. the telegraph, reporting about the tories revolt and six members of the cabinet also believes he should resign. have they mentioned this to borisjohnson? believes he should resign. have they mentioned this to boris johnson? as he was saying, yep this test match, this battle of wills of the government seemingly quite prepared

a former government a labour government, that of gordon brown in 2009, that apparently is being accusedhich these were actually ordered. as for matt hancock, some sources of ordered. as for matt hancock, some sources of course anonymous ordered. as for matt hancock, some sources of course anonymous say he is on borrowed time. that he had a furious blessed with the prime minister who had previously praised him on reaching that 100,000 target. so clearly all is not well without wanting to use a pine but this is a very critical time for the prime minister tomorrow night on sunday night and at 7pm reentry come and address to the nation. people are getting really need leadership and we have seen the previous paper review about unions needing a nationwide health and safety. people need to be reassured that it is safe to go back to work. even if they are encouraged to stay at home or to stagger their way, encouraged to stay at home or to staggertheirway, healthily, to work. but this will be very complex and let's look at other countries and let's look at other countries and see what the united

could work its way out of coronavirus lockdown.sir david king, who worked under tony blair and gordon brownsory group for emergencies (sage. tp sir david king joins me now via webcam from cambridge. the idea is very simple, an independent group of science advisers is independent of government but also in the sense that its voice will be available to the public. it is going to be on youtube live tomorrow from 12 noon on the idea is to demonstrate how scientists get together and argue and determine what the best way forward is and how i can challenge the process and determine what is the process and determine what is the best way out of this pandemic. what we are doing is simply looking at where we are today and how we can get out of this with minimum number of further fatalities and as quickly as possible. why might we know the government keeps saying they are being guided by the science but are you worried that the scientific advice they are getting from sage, from the scientific advisory group for emergencies is not transparent enough and we the public do not know enough and we the public

as tony blair or gordon brown little and cameron you know the idea that government can control everything is an illusion and the idea that ministers can control things better than manages in a marriage of different private businesses leads to all sorts of mistakes is fine when everything is going well but it's not fine for ministers to be solely in charge when things go badly wrong what what government should do is set standards maintain them and sure through monitoring go regulator a framework so that standards are properly adhere to ensure that there's education and training backing for that to produce people of the quality that can go into private industry and private labs but then you know governments don't have access to the same sorts of money that huge international businesses do and the skills that huge international business cannot read my personal view is that it was a mistake for us in the n.h.s. to try and develop the tracing out ourselves and that money could have been much better use for all sorts of other things and that google and apple already have a tracing out which is

the former prime minister gordon brown has some fierce criticism for the government.'ve come to this not because i want to involve myself in political arguments but because i've seen two friends die. i've seen people who are workers at care homes risking their lives to save homes. and i've seen the figures which show that half the deaths in scotland, where we've done the report, are in care homes. and it's tragic that, even today, not all care home residents or not all care home workers have been tested. the government for its part says most care homes — more than 60%, in fact — remain free from covid—19. the health secretary matt hancock says the industry is being given unprecedented support. from the start, we've worked hard to protect those in social care. in early march, we put {3.2 billion into social care — half through the nhs and half through local authorities — and we've repeatedly set out and strengthened guidance for infection control and support. once the uk is past the first wave of this disease there will be plenty of lessons to be learnt. vicky young ha

sir david king, who worked under tony blair and gordon brown, said the group was designed to act as an for emergencies. i've been speaking to sir david — who says a lack of transparency is the reason he's formed the group when i was in government, i was facing you guys myself as chief scientific adviser. i don't see that sir patrick is being allowed to accept, to come onto broadcasting corporations etc to say what his advice is independently. i think there has been a very serious change in policy, since 2010, compared with the policy that was there come 2001. what i want to say is this means we have almost come full circle back to where we work with the bse crisis, when the philips commission report which came through in november 2000, said in effect the scientists must be able to give their advice to the government and put it into the public domain so that the public knows what the advice is and can gain trust in that advice. it mustn't be that ministers are telling the scientists what to say. 0n telling the scientists what to say. on that question of alleged political interference wi

are useless and they are now saying they are gordon's goggles because they were ordered under gordon brown an impression of shambles thatis example of an impression of shambles that is going on, certainly in the provision of equipment within the nhs. there is another story along those lines in the sunday telegraph which is, britain has been secretly flying tens of thousands of coronavirus flying tens of thousands of coro navi rus tests flying tens of thousands of coronavirus tests to the united states as it struggles to lift the daily testing rate, over 100,000 a day, which is the target matt hancock set. he did meet it, but that has fallen off a bit? the sunday telegraph have the story of 50,000 tests had to be sent last week to the united states instead, because of a problem with a lab. this is hugely embarrassing because it adds to the narrative of constant failures and mess ups with protective equipment, the lack of testing. matt hancock was ecstatic to get to the 100,000 a day, which was to get to the 100,000 a day, which was above and beyond everybody's expectations, probably even hi

articles are still left over from the civil war. 8 at night, lee would have a conference with john brown gordon, longstreet, and fitzhugh lee. it is going to be lays last military conference. -- lee's last. they discussed breaking out from appomattox courthouse. the decision is made to break out from the encircling union line. leave leave the only troops in front of him our cavalry. -- lee believes. and that they can push them aside and continue with retreat. grant morning of april 9, would send a third letter to lead at daybreak. grant pastor talley that since he has no authority to treat on the subject of peace, the meeting lee proposed for april 9 at 10:00, could lead to no good. and grant is going to cancel it. -- grant has to tell lee. now lee knows there is no meeting with grant unless he specifically asks for it. the battle of appomattox courthouse will begin at 5:00 in the morning of april 9. [indiscernible] to clear the lynchburg road. up byey find it is backed a strong force of federal infantry. the army of the james is approaching and the fifth corps of the army of the potomac under

april 8th, lee with have a conference john brown and gordon, longstreet. lee's lastto be military conference. they discuss a possibility of breaking out from appomattox courthouse. citizens made to break out of the union line. that this point only troops in front of him are calvary. gordon troops can push them aside and lee can continue with retreat. on the morning of april 9th, off third letter to lee at about day break. had to tell lethal since he has no authority to treat on peace, the minute proposede meet lee april 9th at 10:00, can lead good. now lay knows no official meeting with grant unless he now for it.ally ask but battle at the appomattox begin 5:00 ine the morning of april 9th. to clear lynchburg road and then to calvary. it's backed up by infantry ce of federal infantry. the general army was approaching ant fifth core from the -- army under appomattox under griffin is approaching. gordon is going to be stopped and driven back. the morning,in longstreet called to lee's headquarters. according to longstreet he and at the burned rails. once in f

by former government chief scientific adviser sir david king, who worked under tony blair and gordon brown crisis in the run up to the year 2000. we had to be phillips report condition into that crisis, which said, we must never again be in a situation where ministers are telling scientists what to say and then say they are following the science advice. that was the conclusion reached by the commission report about the bse crisis and you will remember a minister going on the television feeding his daughter a hamburger to show that the british people are safe. this was happening ata time people are safe. this was happening at a time when scientists were really beginning to be worried about cj really beginning to be worried about q the really beginning to be worried about cj the emerging in human beings, through the cattle and cows that had bse. so i think my real problem is when the ministers say they are following the science advice, that only has meaning if the science advice is in the public domain. now, coming up in the next hour i'm going to be talking about what you want to be watchin

brian: i want to dip into the book and quote gordon wood who was a well-known historian -- brown universityand there are a lot of nuggets like this in this book. thanks to the fabulous historians. he said this, and i want you both to deal with this. john adams was a realist. he did not believe all men were created equal, didn't believe in american exceptionalism. harold: he believed in english exceptionalism. that was one of his problems. i think he believed in a certain class system out of new england, but i think he bought into the founding principles. so with all due respect to gordon wood, i think, it may be a little bit of an oversimplification. amity: i thought that a little strong. i'm also a fan of john quincy adams. i'm wondering how he does here. that's all i'll just say about, brian. brian: a quote from bob merry who wrote a book on mckinley, he was maybe one of the finest human beings who's ever made it to the white house. harold: i'm very persuaded by a recent interview you did by him and with richard norton smith in which he -- who was featured in the book, of course, in which