turner— rightly is that gordon brown's turner came _ rightly is that gordon brown's turner came afterordon brown's . turner came after a decade. so, it was— turner came after a decade. so, it was not— turner came after a decade. so, it was not really— turner came after a decade. so, it was not really immediate. - turner came after a decade. so, it was not really immediate. it. it was not really immediate. it was not — it was not really immediate. it was not something _ it was not really immediate. it was not something which - was not something which happened _ was not something which happened in— was not something which happened in quick- was not something which - happened in quick succession. let's — happened in quick succession. let's talk— happened in quick succession. let's talk about _ happened in quick succession. let's talk about what - happened in quick succession. let's talk about what these i happened in quick succession. i let's talk about what these two may or may not mean bought the rest of the world in so far as britain matters in the rest of the world. just on this ques

almost _ labour government gordon brown almost insisted _ labour government gordon brown almost no other candidates and _ almost insisted there were no other candidates and it _ almost insisted there were no other candidates and it looked _ almost insisted there were no other candidates and it looked very - almost insisted there were no other candidates and it looked very odd. i candidates and it looked very odd. it candidates and it looked very odd. it was _ candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust— candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him~ _ candidates and it looked very odd. it was just him. you _ candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him. you can— candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him. you can see - candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him. you can see now. candidates and it looked very odd. i it wasjust him. you can see now why he did _ it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it _ it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it it— it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it it is— it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it.

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just as it was when tony blair was replaced by gordon brown.in a quite compressed a space. i mean, we learned, right, wasn't the story that blair and brown had a pact, and maybe after the third electoral victory blair regretted having made that pact, but he honoured it. but this is something entirely different. i have to say, shaun, it feels frankly wrong that you can, in seven years, so compress and get — lose control of your own party — much less run a country. it is very interesting, shaun, that you mentioned the last time this happened under a labour government, gordon brown almost insisted there were no other candidates, and it looked very odd. it wasjust him. but you can see now why he did it. it's really dangerous when, for a governing party, when the door is opened on what happens behind the scenes, and we have had moments of, in public tv debates, where rishi sunak and liz truss are arguing over fundamental tax policy in a way that breaks the spell about cabinet unity, and it is very hard once the spell is broken. to put the genie back

parallel when i was at sky news, - a period when there was . a succession of resignations under gordon brown smith, then hazel blears, - thenjames purnell — - and had david miliband gone, then i think that gordon brown would have been done for. - and at that time, i was in a sort of vintage - period for 24—hour news, obviously, because i hadl an instant outlet in the way i that now has been completely democratised through twitter. so all they had to do i was ring me, and there was a perception that i was... and obviously sky newsl always wanted to be first with the news, - ahead of the news. and i was able to credibly assert that over those - three days that were - very memorable for me. but i think it's great| that a really chaotic, unstructured event like the one today and social media - are just a perfect marriage. and, yes, it does... it does take me back. from the political side, - i think it just leaves people like borisjohnson's - advisers completely hapless. there's nothing they can do. theyjust don't know- where the next resignation is going to be coming from. they don't know whethe

parallel when i was at sky news, - a period when there was . a succession of resignations under gordon brownazel blears, - thenjames purnell — - and had david miliband gone, then i think that gordon brown would have been done for. - and at that time, i was in a sort of vintage - period for 24—hour news, obviously, because i hadl an instant outlet in the way i that now has been completely democratised through twitter. so all they had to do i was ring me, and there was a perception that i was... and obviously sky newsl always wanted to be first with the news, - ahead of the news. and i was able to credibly assert that over those - three days that were - very memorable for me. but i think it's great| that a really chaotic, unstructured event like the one today and social media - are just a perfect marriage. and, yes, it does... it does take me back. from the political side, - i think it just leaves people like borisjohnson's - advisers completely hapless. there's nothing they can do. theyjust don't know- where the next resignation is going to be coming from. they don't know whether anybody is t

the same way that gordon brown did after he took overfrom tony blair, that gordon brown did after hee last decade. i tried to think if they call another one, decade. i tried to think if they callanother one, but decade. i tried to think if they call another one, but that's often there moment of maximum popularity. but these are very much hypotheticals at the moment. it's a bit like the next monarch in britain. you will only know once they actually start the job. {lilia britain. you will only know once they actually start the job. they actually start the 'ob. ok, ben pace, they actually start the 'ob. ok, ben page. thanks h they actually start the 'ob. ok, ben page. thanks very — they actually start the job. ok, ben page, thanks very much. _ 15 people have been killed after a russian rocket was reported to have hit an apartment building in the east of ukraine. at least 20 more are feared to be buried under the rubble in the town of chasiv yar in ukraine's donetsk region. from there, our defence correspondent, jonathan beale, has this report. those are civilian dronings. this is the mo

.- very interesting that you mentioned gordon brown almost insisted there be no other candidates, itbreaks the spell about unity, it's very hard once the spell is broken, to put the genie back in the bottle. there will be many consequences. in bottle. there will be many consequences.— bottle. there will be many consequences. bottle. there will be many conseuuences. , ., , , consequences. in terms of stability, it's revolving _ consequences. in terms of stability, it's revolving door— consequences. in terms of stability, it's revolving door prime _ consequences. in terms of stability, it's revolving door prime ministers. | it's revolving door prime ministers. this is— it's revolving door prime ministers. this is not— it's revolving door prime ministers. this is not really the history of the conservative party, and what he referred _ the conservative party, and what he referred to — the conservative party, and what he referred to is that gordon brown's turn came — referred to is that gordon brown's turn came after a decade, so it wasn't — turn came after a decade, so it wasn't really i

who took over as prime minister in absolute mandate, and i think the problem at the moment and gordon browning to win, but i do think a politician with the courage of their convictions should go to the people to get that mandate, because otherwise they may welljust be staggering from one crisis to another losing the trust of the electorate. another losing the trust of the electorate-— another losing the trust of the electorate. ,., , ., , electorate. the point is eloquently made by the _ electorate. the point is eloquently made by the headline _ electorate. the point is eloquently made by the headline on - electorate. the point is eloquently made by the headline on the - made by the headline on the telegraph. plays to the king maker after gaining ground and third vote. the person who could actually, it's even simpler than tory mps. if one of the candidates can get their backers, if they get moved by the others, they are effectively going to hand at least the second place in the contest, the final round will be the contest, the final round will be the other party members, but they will decid

street which is reminiscent of an article turned up again from 2010 when borisjohnson accused gordon brownf opportunity to make an impression on voters _ opportunity to make an impression on voters about _ opportunity to make an impression on voters about the tory party not moving — voters about the tory party not moving on _ voters about the tory party not moving on from borisjohnson, that people _ moving on from borisjohnson, that people who — moving on from borisjohnson, that people who have enabled the things that voters find so distasteful, because — that voters find so distasteful, because keir starmer has positioned himself— because keir starmer has positioned himself as _ because keir starmer has positioned himself as the antithesis to boris johnson, — himself as the antithesis to boris johnson, as the model of probity, the trustworthy, serious politician. it is possible the tories could elect — it is possible the tories could elect someone who fits those descriptions and it is important for labour— descriptions and it is important for labour to— descriptions and it is important fo

deliberate heads reminder of an old article that resurfaced by borisjohnson in 2010 when he accused gordon brown which is what borisjohnson has so far said what he wants to happen. i has so far said what he wants to ha en. ~' , has so far said what he wants to hauen. ~ , ., , happen. i think the party wants to net it happen. i think the party wants to get it done _ happen. i think the party wants to get it done as _ happen. i think the party wants to get it done as quickly _ happen. i think the party wants to get it done as quickly as - happen. i think the party wants to j get it done as quickly as possible, but we have hit this very weird period where actually the mps break—up in a fortnight it's time and then you go into the summer recess, so you don't really want a contest that ends in the middle of august when people are away, they can't devote candidate gone on holiday. so it really either has to be finished within the next fortnight or it has to go on until september, and i think to deny that grassroot or boats would be very difficult. there will be an awful lot of anger about that. they d

it was from 2010 on gordon brown's last days as prime minister. it described brown as an illegal settlers in the sinai desert, and wondered who would tell him his time was up. eventually bought us, johnson resigned, not as prime minister, just as leader of his party, with a speech in which he blamed the hood instinct at westminster for forcing him out. rice me. for the past 3 years chilly has undergone sweeping political change. it began in 2019 with a social uprising which led to the election last year of gabrielle burridge. the most left wing precedent there since salvador i n date. and now there's a referendum coming in september on a new constitution. it is a far more progressive legal framework than the current constitution written in 1980 when the country was under military rule and general gusto pinochet's. among the more influential players in the referendum campaign, are too powerful media conglomerates, element poodle, and co pay. so they prospered, underpin or shade they both got into bed with him and have since reap the rewards of life

so gordon brown was contemplating in 2007 when he became prime minister. he done things, he both filled out election and it all went downhill. came off to that. so he's rather take say for boys johnson is going to is a very difficult position. and is johnson's departure good or bad years for that for the opposition labor party? another really good question. i said, now is there a few weeks ago that boy johnson was laid was greatest asset? i think not still the tree and the labor party would have benefited on from johnston, dragging this out dragon the chaos. but i don't think looking at the possible candidates to take over the night off the will be particularly worried. i'm looking at least trust, for example, if a candidate, she's not any trouble them a tool, she can't rally the country where she see knock is damaged himself massively. if he munches to take a takeover, castorena caste, all the leisure to lay off the still seems to be in a good position, provided he doesn't get fined by the police. that in the next week was he richard changed everything ag

lest we forget, you know, when tony blair at left, gordon brown became prime minister and there was noon't think they need any more uncertainty at this time. ., they need any more uncertainty at this time. . ., , this time. claiming to be the heir to margaret thatcher, _ this time. claiming to be the heir to margaret thatcher, they - this time. claiming to be the heir to margaret thatcher, they are i to margaret thatcher, they are trying to outfit after each other, aren't they? i trying to outfit after each other, aren't they?— trying to outfit after each other, aren't the ? , ., �* ~ ., aren't they? i 'ust don't think that is a itch aren't they? i 'ust don't think that is a pitch that— aren't they? i just don't think that is a pitch that would _ aren't they? i just don't think that is a pitch that would have - aren't they? i just don't think that is a pitch that would have much i is a pitch that would have much truck with — is a pitch that would have much truck with the country as a whole. it's truck with the country as a whole. it's a _ truck with the country as a whole. it's a pitch

in 2010, boris johnson prescribed former prime minister gordon brown, who was clinging to office, as,to the radiator in number 10 and suggested the nice policeman at the door of number 10, telling him the game is up. what convinced boris johnson the game is up? >> i think just there were so many things here, michael, that we can talk about. this time around, it was another scandal for embroiling 10 downing street. that behavior modification with boris johnson is not an option. from his immediate entourage, high-ranking cabinet members started to resign, followed by a whole range of other historic levels of resignation. it became clear that he was going to have to be -- he was going to have to be removed. what's unusual about this situation is that, prime ministers are removed from office because people disagree within the party, with their f palsies. policies. it's the individual. there's a lot of hypocrisy here, in terms of how long they tolerated him. it's finally come to the conclusion that the individual boris johnson, is unfit to serve as party leader and therefore as prime minis

i believe it was gordon brown and mr. cameron, who i saw. i was shocked at the intensity. was completely unprepared. jonathan: politicians on both sides of the aisle in america are very thin-skinned. in the u.k. you could have a very strong or even rude interview, and the following week they will come back. that doesn't translate in america. if you ask a firm question, somehow you represent the other party. i wonder if that as a consequence without the media is set up in this country, fan club parties on cable news. tom: profoundly important to modern america, united kingdom capitalism. he taught me how to measure figures of scotch. jonathan: did you have to drink before you went? tom: it was a dramatic lunch. the sun was going down. you are so high up. the sun was going down as we were getting out for lunch. jonathan: i think we have longer days in the summer. futures are down by one third of 1%. tunzi talk about in this bond market. curve inversion. 2.76 on the 10 year. bid into the curve in germany. the euro cannot get a break. 1.0175 is the low of the session. 1.0181.

so, gordon brown _ leadership of the country. srr, gordon brown went leadership of the country.ountry. s513, gordon brown went to term, and john major went to term. he took over the conservative party in 1990 as its leader and then as prime minister went the latest possible moment in 1992. you may want to get your own mandate, but you tend to change leaders in a political party at a time of great turmoil, when you are a way behind in the opinion polls, notably any future leader of the party or prime minister, when they are ten or 15 points behind in the opinion polls is going to say, right, let's have a general election now. i don't think that'll happen. the other question people asking, we are now in a position where we have effectively got a lame duck prime minister who can't do anything significant. we got pretty much a lame—duck caretaker government who can't do anything very significant. that's what happens. that is what happens when you have a change. it happened when tony blair announced he was going, it happened when david cameron announced it. the holder of office is no

ncicap.org] >> in 2010 after the conservative party had a sweeping victory in the general election, gordon brown, britton's last labor leader, resigned. prime minister brown's resignation brought an end to 13 years of rule by the centerleft party. here is a speech he delivered to supporters. >> i can tell you there is no greater privilege but to represent the people you have grown up with, people that you know and spect, to represent people who know you, perhaps know too much about you sometimes, and to represent friends you made over 30 years along the way in youth clubs, pensioner groups, cottages and schools and community councils and businesses and trade unions, and sports clubs, which taught me my first lessons. i was allowed to get in free to watch my favorite team. i will never forget the kindness you showed us on the strength that you gave us 13 years ago this year, at christmas time, our first child, jennifer, was born in the hospital and died only 10 days later. and you set up the jennifer research fund and the contributions that you made to the jennifer fund, to the hospital and labor

of having served a shorter term as prime minister than either his predecessor, theresa may, or gordon brown, the former labor minister. >> if i am in the market this morning, i will find is either depressing or entertaining it but ultimately, i will be trying to work out whether a fiscal shift is in store for the next government. do you think there is a fiscal shift brewing here in the united kingdom? a change something else? >> that is where there are limits to the comedy aspect. the economist front covers says that lots of jokes are going on, and this is a prime minister who has styled himself as being like his banter, and that sort of thing. the city has not taken this too hard. we have seen a little movement in sterling, but investors, u.k. investors, they have been hoping for a successor to johnson, or his new chancellor, and that might not make good on promises to raise taxes, and this is raising concerns about the state of the u.k., and public finances, market expecting 50 basis points with cuts, or heights, in august, with the bank having been. how does this affect all things? that

the first meeting of russian president dmitry medvedev with british prime minister gordon brown, andne 2010 in canada , medved met with the new prime minister david cameron. the latter visited russia twice a new recession. in a relationship started in 2014 after the coup d'etat in kiev and the annexation of crimea to russia in 2018 london accused russia of poisoning sergei skripal and his daughter, and four months ago of aggression against ukraine . just like queen victoria's silence. and that means russia's attempts to move forward in central asia were perceived very warily and very painfully, because, uh, we were approaching, that is, russia was approaching india, any approach to the pearl of the british empire as it was called really inexhaustible sources, so to speak, the receipts of the british treasury at that time, but due to equivalent trade and so on. here, but it was perceived very sharp, it really was, there was a blow, so to speak, in the soft under the abdominal. if i can put it this way, therefore, such an expression appeared. well, probably, based on what you said abov

the first meeting of russian president dmitry medvedev with british prime minister gordon brown, and 2010 in canada , medvedev met with the new prime minister david cameron. the latter visited russia twice a new recession. the relationship began in 2014 after the coup d'état in kiev and the annexation of crimea to russia in 2018. london accused russia of poisoning sergei skripal and his daughter, and four months ago aggression against ukraine . here is this expression, referring to the englishwoman, just queen victoria by default. and that means russia's attempts to move forward in central asia were perceived very cautiously and very painfully, because, uh, we were approaching, that is, russia was approaching india, any approach to the pearl of the british empire as it was called by really inexhaustible sources, so to speak, the receipts of the british treasury at that time, but due to non-equivalent trade and so on. here, but it was perceived very sharp, it really was, there was a blow, so to speak, in the soft under the abdominal. if i can put it this way, therefore, such an expres

there are differences though, between, for example, gordon brown, who lost an election or david cameron, who was on the wrong side of the bricks. it debates and theresa may, who couldn't get legislation through those. those were matters of policy and, and voting. the reason why boris johnson has fall and is very different, it's because his own back benches, his own cabinet ministers felt he didn't exhibit truthfulness sore integrity. these were personal problems of boris johnson, the man as opposed to political problems with him overall. and that is why there is a huge amount of disquiet that he should be allowed to sit in downing street as a some kind of caretaker, prime minister and the leader of the liberal democrat opposition party, sir a davy said it was frankly ludicrous. he said another signatory m p. it said it was beyond credulity. but the reality is that as the hours of past minutes were in the bit of a low now after yesterday's feverish atmosphere here in westminster, a sense of acceptance, i think is dawning on the conservative party that if he is not going to go voluntarily

general election as follows on tiny blair winning in 9097, the prime minister that follows him gordon brown. he comes to power without general election. then you've got to have cameron winds the general election and then he leaves office the next prime minister. theresa may, she comes to power without a general election, the same with force johnson. so what we're seeing here, rather than being a bug or a glitch of the system, is perhaps even a feature which the ordinary voters are disempowered. and there is a disproportionate amount of power because of the constitutional arrangement of this country. the political system not working as it was intended to, which means that you've got an awful lot of power being held by m. p sitting in parliament. would you incur all of their system for public trust in politics in the united kingdom? well, it's not great because this latest scandal with christopher pincher, who was the deputy chief wip docked by allegations of sexual harassment. comes hot on the heels, very similar scandals earlier just last month. you had the loss of 2 by elections, one trigg

this, but we had the legal power to prohibit mass migration for seven years and tony blair and gordon brownetter. and maybe that speaks to her ability to communicate. i maybe that speaks to her ability to communicate-— maybe that speaks to her ability to communicate. i 'ust don't think so. if ou communicate. i 'ust don't think so. .f you look — communicate. i 'ust don't think so. rfyou look at _ communicate. i just don't think so. if you look at the _ communicate. i just don't think so. if you look at the polling _ communicate. i just don't think so. if you look at the polling around i if you look at the polling around the country, if you look at the video she put out yesterday, if you look at why she is polling in those target areas, where we have actually got to win voters who are yet undecided, orwho got to win voters who are yet undecided, or who are pretty disillusioned with all politics, penny is head and shoulders above, in the south—west, in the north, northern ireland, scotland and wales. ., �* , northern ireland, scotland and wales. . �*, , , , northern ireland, scotland and wales

of behaving, there is this thing called the civil service code put into statute in 2010 by the gordon brownislead the press. extension, they mustn't mislead the ress. . . extension, they mustn't mislead the ress, , ., , ., extension, they mustn't mislead the ress. , ., ,., ~ extension, they mustn't mislead the ress. , ., ~ . press. these all sound like basic values. press. these all sound like basic values- is _ press. these all sound like basic values- is a _ press. these all sound like basic values. is a pretty _ press. these all sound like basic values. is a pretty basic - press. these all sound like basic values. is a pretty basic values, | press. these all sound like basici values. is a pretty basic values, so what you do in a press office, i use to run the treasury communications division, of course he put a positive spin on what the government is doing, you will say look at our economic performance over these years, ratherthan economic performance over these years, rather than some of over these years and wait for someone to come back tm, c put the most positive spin you can can he h

number — about gordon brown not leaving number ten when he should, he was clinging _ number ten when did?— boris once did? i think boris is now a thin of boris once did? i think boris is now a thing of the _ boris once did? i think boris is now a thing of the past. _ boris once did? i think boris is now a thing of the past. he _ boris once did? i think boris is now a thing of the past. he has - boris once did? i think boris is now a thing of the past. he has gone i boris once did? i think boris is now. a thing of the past. he has gone and i think keir starmer, he needs to be in government to test him. what he has to do now is show his concern for the government, his comfort —— concern for the country, his concern for the people, and i think he needs to support the government. we need to support the government. we need to get through this together. the english are a vibrant people, we can get through. i think on the back of that he needs to show the policies that he needs to show the policies that he needs to show the policies that he and his party can do and i think we will have a la

memoirs by john brown gordon of the confederate army who went from buck private to lieutenant general and was a big caller for reunification at the end of the civil war. he said i'd like for you to read general gordon's memoirs and tell me what you think in two weeks and that's how eisenhower became a connoisseur of history. so when world war two starts. and he has made supreme allied commander. for the european african theater of operations he tells general marshall in a cable. i would like to set up a history program to turn out a series of books allah the official records of the war of the rebellion. well general marshall knew exactly what he was talking about because marshall was a connoisseur of history having gone to vmi and graduated from vmi and his favorite book was on the civil war. so he knew exactly where eisenhower was coming from and eisenhower was his protege. hook line and sink are top to bottom. so he said by all means they went to the various universities throughout america pulled out outstanding history historians and military historians and put them to work people

this, but we had the legal power to prohibit mass migration for seven years and tony blair and gordon brownat is the case, she could have worded it way better. and maybe that speaks to her ability to communicate. i just don't think so. if you look at the polling around the country, if you look at the video she put out yesterday, if you look at why she is polling in those target areas, where we have actually got to win voters who are as yet undecided, or who are pretty disillusioned with all politics, penny is head and shoulders above, in the south—west, in the north, northern ireland, scotland and wales. that's because they don't know anything about her and they can project whatever they want on to her. maybe, victoria, but i think that from what you saw in the debates she is just not prepared to get into the pretty unattractive dogfights and terrier fights between people who have recently been in cabinet, with one you would expect her to agree. she has tried to focus on the bread—and—butter issues that matter to british people and bring to this contest some grace and style, some humour and

if prime ministers like gordon brown for example in 2010 chose a very dignified exit, walking down downingalmost 80, very much personally on the back of his campaigning and character. he got the brexit done, after three years of not getting it done under his predecessor theresa may. he did steer the country through coronavirus, and the european comparison suggests the country didn't do too badly. that is all very much to his credit. back then, the weaknesses in his character and in his style as prime minister, began, progressively to impact. he lost key aides, those people who had stayed and guided him before he could keep a stable team together in downing street. that really matters for a prime minister likejohnson, for a prime minister like johnson, who for a prime minister likejohnson, who needs to have people compensating for his lack of detail, the fact that he's not all over everything that prime ministers need to do, and progressively became weaker and weaker, he could not get the benefits of brexit evident, the northern ireland problem became more of an issue which clearly, he didn

he was head of policy at 10 downing street during gordon brown's premiership.it is clearly over for boris johnson. the last - thoughts on that? it is clearly over for boris johnson. the last batch, l for borisjohnson. the last batch, some serious younger ministers, people like neil o'brien, very credible figures, if they have decided the game is up, then clearly it now is. i don't think there is any way back forjohnson, it is clearly a matter of when he goes, the manner of his departure, rather than when he goes. michael gove heading a delegation to talk to him, to persuade him to go with some dignity, if he, grant shapps, and others, are doing that, that is very serious for the prime minister, and it will make it very difficult for him to say, bring on a confidence vote, i'll try my chances. that would be very difficult in the circumstances, knowing that people like michael gove had been to him to ask him to call time.— ask him to call time. interestingly, the last letter— ask him to call time. interestingly, the last letter in _ ask him to call time. interest

so gordon would is the university professor emeritus at brown, recipient of the culture price the creation of the american republic the recipient of the pulitzer prize in his book tonight is constitutionalism and the american revolution. itit is so wonderful he is going here and person by another towering american historian edward larson. university professor of history at pepperdine also recipient of pulitzer prize in history's most recent book. and and washington the to read it and discuss it further. welcome to our great panelist, congratulations on the book. i read it as i do many things on kindle, i have it right here in the first chapter about the imperial debate starts in 1765 although it looks back earlier and talks about the central declaration in its essential to the freedom of the people in the undoubted rights of englishmen that no taxes should be imploded on them with their consent given personally or by the representatives. what was imperial debate. >> i don't want to tell you the whole debate but it's over the issue of representation. the congress instinctively know that the

so gordon wood is the university professor and professor of history emeritus at brown recipient of the pulitzer prize his books from the creation of the american republic to the american invasion of benjamin franklin, transformed the field and the book will be talking about tonight is "power and liberty." it's so wonderful that he's joined here in person by another towering american historian and great friend of the constitution center edward larson. he holds the chair and law and his universe professor of history at pepperdine, also a recipient of thehe pulitzer prie in history and the author of superb books from the return of george washington to most recently franklin in washington, founding partnership, which we discussed not too long ago on the we the people podcast. it was a great discussion. we are joined remotely, i'm so glad to see you, friends, and the monitors are working and you look great. this is our first hybrid program. lucas, you're smiling, so you, emily. i hope you can see us as well as we can see you but it's so great to welcome you here to the constitution center.

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