europhiles in the cabinet, he was staunch pro—eu conservative mp, in this interview with the telegraph, gordon rainer great line where he speculates that once we've left maybe in a generation's time, we could talk about rejoining again, which logically, of course, anything could happen in the future. but at this point precise moment in time, politically, it's a bit a daft thing to say, think i. -- i think. it makes the point that europe would probably have to be, and probably will be rather different by then. again, that's part of the speculation about what might happen in the future. you know, who knows what might happen. i do think once brexit does happen, i think the european union might well want to think again about how it operates. it might change. but, you know, as kevin says, it's a gift to the daily brexit graph. i'm surprised at david livington, one of the cleverest members of the cabinet. i'm surprised he didn't see that question coming and work round it. maybe he's answer today that way for a reason. who knows. well, maybe. let's stay with the telegraph. that gets us nicely from europe to