so i'm just professort gordon reed or gordon reed or annette depending on how well you know me. went the next call for annette gordon reed is from martha in maine. go ahead martha. >> caller: hi peter. i missed a part of the program so i hope i'm not repeating a someone else for professor gordon reed. i am a retired maryland public school teacher. i am very upset about the controversy you 1619 project and the pulitzer organization offering $5000 to underpaid school teachers to teach, whatever that is supposed to be. i'm really quite upset about it i would like her knowledge or opinion please. >> host: thank you martha. >> guest: i knows is a controversial subject for people. i don't know about paying people, i don't know anything abouteo that program or what she is referring to. i think it is a point of discussion. it is a point of discussion. 1619 project from what i have read is a number of essays is not just one. have the lead essays the one that cause problems for number of people, other people that is problematic for one reason or another. i think it should be discussed. i

peter: will annette gordon-reed, we often as the authors about the favor books and annette gordon-reed us this list, by james baldwin the finds work on notes of a native son, hg wells experiment in autobiography. and by octavia butler in a single man by christopher and currently reading a book called it in employment in the slavery revolt by rebecca hall. and the papers ofy thomas jefferson, and another book that is currently reading. she's been our guest book tv for the past two hours, we very much patient your time. annette: thank you for inviting me. >> weekend is on "c-span2" brings you the best in american history and nonfiction books pretty to saturday in american history, and 9:00 a.m. eastern, james baker reflects on leadership in his career serving as secretary of state for president george hw bush. and ronald ragan white house chief of staff and treasury secretary predict historians and authors joseph ellis books about society and learning from the wisdom of the founding fathers in today's books, and book tv features leading authors, discussing their latest nonfiction books a

and so i'm just professor gordon-reed or annette gordon-reed. >> the next question for annette gordon-reed. >> hi, i missed part of the program i hope i'm not repeating a question for professor gordon-reed. i'm a retired maryland public school teacher and i'm very upset about the controversial 1619 project and the pulitzer organization offering $5,000 to underpaid school teachers to teach whatever that's supposed to be. i'm really quite upset about it and i would like her knowledge or her opinion, please. >> thank you, martha. >> well, you know, it's a-- i know that this is a controversial subject for people. i don't know about paying people, i don'ten anything about that program or what it is that she's referring to i think that it's a point of discussion, you know? it's a point of discussion. 1619 project, from what i've read, is a number of essays. it's not just one essay. i know the lead essay is the one that caused problem for a number of people, the other people thought it was problematic for one reason or another. and it should be discussed. and i think there are other parts that wo

so i'm just professort gordon reed or gordon reed or annette depending on how well you know me.nt the next call for annette gordon reed is from martha in maine. go ahead martha. >> caller: hi peter. i missed a part of the program so i hope i'm not repeating a someone else for professor gordon reed. i am a retired maryland public school teacher. i am very upset about the controversy you 1619 project and the pulitzer organization offering $5000 to underpaid school teachers to teach, whatever that is supposed to be. i'm really quite upset about it i would like her knowledge or opinion please. >> host: thank you martha. >> guest: i knows is a controversial subject for people. i don't know about paying people, i don't know anything abouteo that program or what she is referring to. i think it is a point of discussion. it is a point of discussion. 1619 project from what i have read is a number of essays is not just one. have the lead essays the one that cause problems for number of people, other people that is problematic for one reason or another. i think it should be discussed. i thi

annette gordon-reed.st: because of her experience, i'm wondering if she could guide me to the proper agency or resource. host: okay, annette do you have any words for her. annette: no other than sorry for your situation there must be legal aid and even the bar association in your area that you can connect to the people who will be able to help you in thatne situation because what you're saying is true, sounds like a miscarriage of justice and it i would contact a lawyer. that is the best answer that i could t get rid. host: margaret from arkansas, please go ahead with your question or comment for historian annette gordon-reed. guest: thank you soo much for being in the program and having professor annette gordon-reed and i strongly believe that the desire to protect the institution of slavery is one of the reasons we have the declaration of independence. just trying to read more deeply into what really happened in our history, i have come but to believe that so today, the fourth of july i have really mixe

. >> annette gordon-reed on the anniversary of 1776. are we that acceptable nation , we often tell ourselves we are or here western mark. >> we're certainly trying eto be . >> in what way? >> there are a number of people in society who are sort of working to make the ideals and declarations a reality. this ideals that are spread about the quality and about happiness. i think we have that idea and we're trying to reach that connection. >> with the founders and this is one of those silly questions. with the founders recognized we are today western mark. >> of course not. some aspects of it they would but most of it, women voting in politics, blacks participating in politics, all because they would have been foreign to them of course and thepower of the united states . at the time we're talking about 1776 this is 13 colonies in the middle of nowhere. they don't have the power, they're leaving an empire and we have become an empire so i don't think they would have seen all that has happened at the united states to this point. >> professor a

gordon reed. why do you think the leaders of the confederacy did not take more seriously the economic failure of the republic of texas as a place with essentially only cotton as a crop, a one crop economy? >> guest: uh-huh, and also some nations overseas who were reluctant to trade with them because they were so explicitly a slave holder's republic. the united states constitution talking about persons of health in service but the texas constitution is explicit in all of this. people are stubborn. and available evidence indicates that there were always people who wanted texas to become a part of the united states. the plan was to leave mexico and hope for annexation by the united states and then eventual state hood. so you know, for the people who wanted just the republic, that's one group of folks. the people who thought this was going to become a part of the united states, that some of this would [inaudible] they would join a larger economy and they would go forward as part of the united states o

peter: will annette gordon-reed, we often as the authors about the favor books and annette gordon-reedis list, by james baldwin the finds work on notes of a native son, hg wells experiment in autobiography. and by octavia butler in a single man by christopher and currently reading a book called it in employment in the slavery revolt by rebecca hall. and the papers ofy thomas jefferson, and another book that is currently reading. she's been our guest book tv for the past two hours, we very much relative ghettos interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> i am so delighted to have this opportunity to sit down and talk with you robin diangelo prayed so exciting. >> thank you so so muchyo and is pretty. >> so it seems like a basic question but it'

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we went to linda in san francisco you were on with annette gordon reed, thanks for holding. >> thank you thank you. it is a great program c-span. doctor reed, you are in american treasure that is all i have to say. you mentioned earlier, you are the surprise of the passage of juneteenth as a federal holiday. i wanted to know, do you think this was maybe a way to appease black people to maybe quiet the narrative about reparations were the asian hate crime bill that was passed unanimously and very quickly? i just want to know what to think about that? i hear that on social media lots. >> all right linda thank you. >> if people think that, that is a very naÏve thought. the passage of the federal holiday is an important thing. juneteenth is important symbolically, we live by symbols. insymbols are not unimportant. voting rights, hate crimes, those are existential questions . people might have thought that but it would be a very naÏve thought. i just can't see any way people would say we got juneteenth now we don't have to vote, no. i will not underestimate people's sense of how they can g

annette gordon-reed?> guest: because i of her experience wondering if she could guide me to the proper agency or resource? >> host: i think we got the point. yyou have any words for her annette gordon-reed? >> guest: i'm sorry for your situation but there have to be legal places are bar association in your area that you can connect to people who would be able to help you in that situation. but you are saying is true there was injustice and i would contact a lawyer is the best answer i would give. >> host: margaret in fayetteville arkansas, margaret please go ahead with your question or comment for this story and annette gordon-reed. >> caller: thank you so much for being on the program and thank you so much for having professor gordon-reed. i strongly believe the desire to protect the institution of slavery is one of the reasons we have the declaration of independence and just trying to read more deeply into what really happened in our history i have come to believe that great today on the 4th of july hav

hope they are lookingud at me i know they'll be very, very proud at this moment. >> host: annette gordon reed who were your parents? >> my father was alford gordon senior and my mother wasea betty jean gordon. they were texans as i mentioned before they grew up in texas in a segregated society. my father went into the army as an 18-year-old after he graduated from high school to help his sisters rather than go to school. help the younger sisters has mother had died when he was 11. and his father was invalid. he was a army person for time and came out and had a series of businesses when i was growing up. my mother was a high school english teacher. she went to selma college and graduate school. they got married in livingston they had known each other in livingston as kids. my mother got a way to houston time but came back soe in some ways they been childhood sweethearts but got married and when i was about six months old they moved to texas predestined town i write about on juneteenth. >> host: you also say you said your mother was a high school teacher. he read the effects of immigration scho

. >> host: annette gordon-reed on the 245th anniversary of 1776. we often tell ourselves we are -- >> guest: we are certainly trying to be. >> host: in what way? >> guest: i think the number of people in society who are working towards the ideals of the declaration making it a reality the ideas about equality and happiness are they think we have that idea and trying to reach that potential. >> host: what the founders recognize who we are today? >> guest: no, of course not. some aspects of it they would did most of it women participating in politics blacks participating in politics would havehe been barred before in the power of united states. the time we are talking about 1776 this is in the middle of nowhere and they don't have the power to lead an empire and weeo have become an empire. >> host: or fester gordon-reed have you weighed in on the 1776 versus 1519 debates that we are having in the country right now? >> certain interviews and things like that but i haven't written anything about it that i know of. i have maybe done at tweeter something

you are on the air with annette gordon reed.we begin, turn down the volume on your tv, otherwise we get an echo. all right? >> caller: yes. >> host: go ahead. john is gone. let's try evelyn in philadelphia. evelyn? you're on the air. please go ahead. >> caller: hello? >> host: hi, evelyn. >> caller: yes, i have a question. i want to make two comments. my husband james and i have been doing genology research all of our life, and my husband, his grand father was killed by the union troops for stealing horse cord. that made national attention. i'm going to stick a pin in that. what my concern is and what i'm looking at is the fact that -- we're both in our 80s, we have a story to tell, and we tell it every chance we get. we sit the kids down and tell them a story about our ancestors. but i found through dna testing that my father was married the second time, married my mother the third time, and he was in pittsburgh and got involved with the leasing system. my father was born in 1894. and he was jailed. and he was jailed for three

you have any words for annette gordon-reed?other than i'm sorry for your situation but there has to be a lawyer in your area that you could connect to people that would be a lava help you in p that situation becausef what you are saying is true it sounds like you deserve justice and i would contact a lawyer. >> host: margaret in fayetteville arkansas, please go ahead with your question or comment for historian annette gordon-reed. >> caller: thank you so much for being on the program and thank youam for having professor gordon-reed. i strongly believe that the desire to protect the institution of slavery is one of the reasons we have the declaration of independence. and just trying to read more deeply into what really happened in our history and i've come to believe that. today the 4th of july i have really mixed feelings. i trying to digest what this means. at the beginning of our country this tremendous desire to protect the slaveholders and the institutioneh of slavery. i'm bothered by that so much. how should i regard this?

next, it's book tv's monthly in depth program with best selling harvard professor, annette gordon-reedth books about the hemings. >> and 1776 are we the nation that we tell ourselves we are or we are here? >> we're certainly trying to be. >> in what way? >> well, i think there are a number of people in society working to make the ideals of the declaration a reality, that i ideals that are expressed in the preamble about equality and about the pursuit of happiness so i think we have that idea and we're trying to reach that potential. >> would the founders, and this is one of those silly qu

. >> host: annette gordon-reed are we that exceptional mace mason we often tell ourselves we are?e trying to be. >> host: in what way? >> guest: i think there are a number of people in society who are working to make the ideals of the declaration a reality the idea t

. >> annette gordon-reed on the 245th anniversary of 1776, are we that exceptional nation we often tellurselves we are? >> we're certainly trying to be.

. >> river history teacher here in texas i have two points to make doctor gordon reed. one, you kind of evaded the issue. but critical race theory is going to be coming up this month in the state

gordon reed. one, and you kind of evaded the issue, but critical race theory is going to be coming up this month in state legislature and they want to forbid it. i think that you should put on your joan of arc armor and come to austin and speak about the issue. now, here would be a stumbling block and you kind of glossed over it-- >> we're going to break to fulfill our 40-plus year commitment to congressional coverage, we'll return momentarily. live for a pro forma session with new votes scheduled. you're watching c-span2. the presiding officer: the senate will come to order. the clerk will read a communication to the senate. the clerk: washington, d.c., august 13, 2021. to the senate: under the provisions of rule 1, paragraph 3, of the standing rules of the senate, i hereby appoint the honorable chris van hollen, a senator from the state of maryland, to perform the duties of the chair. signed: patrick j. leahy, president pro tempore. the presiding officer: under the previous order, the senate sta