in 2008 about the gordon taylor settlement. >> no. so in 2009 you get to learn of the gordon taylor settlement. did that not surprise you? >> it did, indeed, surprise me. >> why? >> the size of it. >> the size of it? >> yes. i didn't know who had hacked him or if he had really been hacked or what it was, but just the size seemed -- [inaudible] >> did you ask your son words to this effect, why the hell have we paid him so much money? >> yes. >> and what was his answer? >> he said i was given a short time, the like being given two boxes, which one do you pick? one with a relatively low sum of money or one infinitely bigger? [inaudible] and that's what happened. he was pretty inexperienced at the time, and he'd just been there a few months, and mr. crone and mr. myler came to him and put it to him in a relatively short conversation. >> yes. can i just understand that, mr. murdoch? >> i think mr. murdoch meant take the higher one. >> well, there are two boxes, the one, the lower box and the infinitely higher one, is it your evidence that

muscle care's -- mulcaire's activities with respect to gordon taylor. there was another reason that perhaps could have been the thread to say this was more going on there, and for that -- and that part of it, that part of its importance was not imparted to me that day. >> was the e-mail produced on the day? >> no. >> so you don't, you don't have any recollection of mr. crone showing you the first page of the e-mail which was the gist of the evidence he gave us, is that right? >> no, i don't have any recollection of that. and i think -- well, i don't need to go into his testimony, so sorry. >> did either mr. myler or more likely mr. crone mention leading counsel's opinion? >> they did, yes. >> did they mention leading counsel's opinion in the context of the reputational damage to your company if case -- [inaudible] in particular because the new evidence demonstrated that the case went beyond mr. goodman? >> no, they didn't. >> well, you've now seen paragraph 6 of mr. silver leave counsel's opinion which makes that very point, haven't you? >> yes, i have

about the gordon taylor settlement. do you remember that?>> he probably did explain that, but that was a year after. i did not know anything about it in 2008. >> in 2009, you get to learn of the settlement. did that not surprise you? >> it did indeed surprise me. >> why? >> of the size of it. >> the size of it? >> yes. i didn't know what it was. >> did you ask your son or why the hell have we paid him so much money? >> yes. >> what was his answer? >> he said i was given a short time many have 2 boxes, which one do i take? one do i take?

mulcar's relationship with respect to gordon taylor. it was linked to wider journalists and perhaps there was a threat to say there was more going on there and for that -- and that part of it, that part of its importance was not imparted to me. that safmente >> was the email produced on the day? >> no. >> so you don't have any recollection of mr. crone showing you the first page of the email which was the gist of the evidence he gave us, was that right? >> no, i don't have any recollection of that. and i think -- well, i don't mean to go into his testimony. sorry. >> did either mr. myler or mr. crone have leading counsel's opinion? >> they did. >> did they mention leading counsel's opinion in context of the reputational damage to your company if the case fault and in particular because the new evidence demonstrated that the case went beyond mr. goodman? >> no, they didn't. >> you've seen paragraph 6 which makes the very point, haven't you? >> yes. i didn't see it at the time nor was it produced to me. >> when mr. myler or mr. crone calm