well, joining me now to discuss this is my panel, the former reform spokesman gordon taylor, and gb newsior political commentator nigel nelson. i'm also joined in the studio by sir john nelson. i'm also joined in the studio by sirjohn redwood. gentlemen, welcome. how many more times, nigel nelson, are we going to have this conversation? these stories are tragic, yet they're becoming increasingly and depressingly familiar. teenagers, children killing children with knives. lessons will be learned. thoughts and prayers. nothing changes. when are we going to clamp down on the cancer of knife crime? >> well, i mean, i mean, they've tried clamping down many times. we've had knife amnesties. we are going through the process of banning zombie knives from getting into the country, from samurai style swords. the problem, really is your idea of a national emergency is a question of what it would look like. question of what it would look uke.the question of what it would look like. the answer, i think, is to actually enforce existing laws. there, there you can use them. you can use stop and search t