brian: you knew gore vidal, did you know bill buckley at all? morgan: i did not. he was the revelation to me, i was familiar with gore, but i -- buckley the man, and buckley the tv personality. buckley told one of his editors, upon moving to new york, don't hang out with the conservatives, hang out with the liberals. the conservatives are boring. buckley's apartment in new york with his wife patricia was full of liberal writers and some of her gay friends and people in the art world. not what i would've thought of. he really had kind of a going salon in new york. robert: one of the things we learned was that he had this --he was very interested in political debates on television. but off tv, he was much more interested in arch, literature -- the arts, literature, he played the harpsichord and painted. he found it kind of boring to pursue that in his off-time. brian: we have a bit of video from the trailer which talks about your documentary. let's watch. >> so buckley was the devil. >> i am a happy warrior. i am enjoying it. >> he represented everything that was goi

brian: union gore vidal, did you know bill buckley at all? morgan: i did not. he was the revelation to me, i was familiar with gore, but i was familiar with buckley the man, and buckley the tv personality. buckley's apartment in new york with his wife patricia was full of liberal writers and some of her gay friends and people in the art world. not what i would've thought of. robert: one of the things we learned was that he had this -- was very interested in clinical debates on television -- political debates on television. but all camera he was interested in the arts and play the harpsichord and painted. he found its -- he perceived that in his all-time. brian: we have a bit of video from the trailer which talks about your documentary area and -- documentary. >> he represented everything that was going to moral hell. >> these were two visions of america. >> each thought the other was quite dangerous. >> all of the security makes me nervous. >> his ideas would take down the nation. >> it's almost as if they were matter and antimatter. >> freedom breeds and equali

buckley on the right gore vidal on the left-- attracted a huge national audience with intelligence andt also put-downs and insults. filmmakers morgan neville and robert gordon explored a series of debates the two held during the 1968 political conventions that for a variety of reasons, would alter the future of political discourse on television. we spoke recently at the a.f.i. docs festival in washington. you set this up as both a personal and a kind of national epic. why do you think it rose to that level? >> gore vidal and william buckley represented the polar opposites-- the left and the right-- at a time when america was kinda coming apart at the seams a little bit. this is 1968. there's rioting in the streets and they're representing those poles there on national tv, but what i think what makes it such a dramatic story for us is that it was deeply personal, it was under the veneer of politics, but i think they saw in the other person somebody who could detect their own insecurities and expose those to the world. >> brown: you presented, i mean, you followed ten debates, right? it'

there's james baldwin and betty for dan and gore vidal and truman capote became to this story.in this debate with baldwin buckley spells out this bootstraps argument completely ignoring the fact that the g.i. bill had all sorts of segregation regarding local control. the new deal had all sorts of segregation and how it would be implemented. >> white americans benefited from those pieces of legislation. one of the things that is interesting is the way these authors are going on tour around the world debating each other over and over again. i think people knew what they were getting if they had james baldwin and william buckley or william buckley and norman mailer. one question is why did anyone care what these authors.? it's hard to imagine asking any of our major novelist today well tell us about your views on the social questions facing america today. >> it's a great question. i think this was a moment in american history when the experts were still ruling. people were looking to the smartest people in the world -- room to explain to the people what was going on. at this momen

i didn't have to look but there is james baldwin gore vidal, truman capote, they came to the story. in this debate with baldwin buckley spells out the bootstraps' argument, completely ignoring the fact that the g i bill have all sorts of components of segregation regarding local control, the new deal had all sorts of components of segregation regarding how it was going to be implemented. >> white americans benefited from those pieces of legislation. >> but we knew it and chose to ignore it. >> interesting. one of the things that is interesting is the way these doctors are going on tour around the world debating each other over and over again. i think people knew what they read getting if they had james baldwin and william buckley or norman mailer so one question is why did anyone care what these authors thought? is hard to imagine asking any of our major novelists today, tell us your views on the social questions facing america today? >> great question. i think this was a moment in american history when the experts were so ruling, people were looking to the smartest people in the ro

talk about their documentary "rest of enemies" on the 1968 debates between william buckley and gore vidalver war, politics, god, and sex. >> today i believe there is someone saying the numbers are dwindling, talking about hot topic number two whereas i do not think that was the norm in tv at the time and i do not think these guys needed -- these guys did not need it. >> a distinguished news man who i think was really kind of embarrassed by this -- he was moderating, but he disappears for five or more minutes at a time. today you would not have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. everybody at abc stood back and let the fire burn. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's "q&a." >> on thursday a house judiciary subcommittee held a hearing on so-called sanctuary cities and immigration enforcement laws. sanctuary cities have policies sheltering illegal immigrants and do not use local resources to enforce federal immigration laws. thursday the house approved a republican bill to deny federal funds to those cities. this hearing comes following the death of a person by an illeg

vidal. >> gore told he me hired a researcher. could, anti-semitic. >> i don't think he was really interested in conducting a debate about the issues. or about the parties. or about the policies. or about the platforms of the two parties. what he wanted to do was to expose bill buckley. >> your confrontation is about lifestyle. what kind of people should we be? their real argument in front of the public is who is the better person. >> this is really good. >> you know the last clip we showed, they are the same person. i mean, bill buckley is on his yacht on long island sound, probably. gore vidal is in some place with gold mirrors behind him. they have the same elitist, high-pedigree, w.a.s.p.-ish character. they they fear they're the same. >> he says in the movie they each saw in the other their own anxious versions of themselves. it's like a distorted eded fun house mirror. they knew they were similar, and did not want people to mistake them for the other. >> soy they really hated each other? >> they did. they were not frenemies.

talk about their documentary on the 1968 debate between conservative william f utley and liberal gore vidal over war politics, god and sex. >> today, i believe there is someone saying, the numbers are dwindling, talk about hot topics , hot salacious topic number two. whereas, then, i don't think that was the norm on tv at the time. i don't think these guys needed that. >> the moderator was a distinguished news man who i think was really in their us by this. he was moderating. today, you would not have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. really, everybody at abc stood back and let the fire burn your it >> -- burn. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern. >> on tuesday, donald trump was in south carolina to kick off his campaign. he talked about immigration, the economy and trade. this is a most 45 minutes. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] ♪ >> i think we have turned things to our advantage. we have to make our country great again. [applause] i made a statement and i read a speech. i do use teleprompters, they are too easy. maybe when you run for president, you shouldn't b

buckley and gore vidal.names. it got funny. >> jimmy: it's fantastic. >> it is. it's a pisser as my aunt used to say. [ light laughter ] >> jimmy: i love your aunt. >> aunt ester always said that. >> jimmy: now you see -- people see people fighting on tv all the time, now. you know, reality shows and whatnot. >> jimmy -- >> jimmy: back in the time when no one was doing that. >> this is where it was born. it's never lived up to this again. and here is a moment that shows how they feel about each other, i think you could say. and it's -- the operative word is in this sentence, call me a a crypto nazi. watch for that. it's right at the top. >> jimmy: here's a clip from "best of enemies." take a look. >> i know you don't -- >> as far as i'm concerned, the only crypto nazi i can think of is yourself. feeling that -- >> listen, you -- >> stop calling me a crypto nazi. let's stop calling names. let's stay plastered. >> gentlemen, let's go. >> go back to his pornography and stop making any illusions of -- >> i beg y

would not go on with and he said a communist and apart from that the only one i can think of is gore vidal. >> men and women who are sexually repressed regard all sexual pleasure as dirty, evil, the devil's work. yet we are all prostitutes in one sense or another, ethically if not sexually. > for buckley, the doll with the devil. -- for buckley, vidal was the devil. brian: his brother is not nearly as well-known as jim buckley the senator. did you ask him to do this? morgan: we interviewed him. very knowledgeable and sweet man. but oddly, was very different than bill. he and his other brother were very similar. james was almost from a different family, which is probably why he was a successful politician. brian: before we run completely out of time, what's next? robert: might be next documentary, might be next book. someone is interested in my stacks record book. it might turn into something. brian: you did an oscar-winning 20 feet from starting on? was that just you -- 20 feet from stardom. with that issue? morgan: i have a feature coming out with yo-yo ma area we will premiere in the fal

documentary "best of enemies" on the debate between william f buckley and glow-in-the-dark -- and gore vidal. >> there's not someone in there in. very unlike today. today, there's someone saying the numbers are dwindling, talk about hot topic number two. whereas then i don't think that was the norm on tv at the time. i. do not think these guys needed it.

on the debates between conservative william f buckley and liberal gore vidal. >> there is not someone today -- very unlike today. today there is someone saying if the numbers are dwindling talk about hot salacious topic number two. where i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time or it -- time. >> howard cap was the mention for moderator. today you would not have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. >> sunday on c-span's q&a." >> next a conversation on the dodd frank regulations. we talk of the passive -- passage of the legislation and its limitation. this is hosted by the group better markets. >> good afternoon everyone, i would like to welcome everyone here today and to welcome the audience watching on c-span. thank you for joining us. i'd like to welcome antonio weiss, for joining us. and the many congressional and executive branch staffers, many of whom put in months of incredibly hard work into what we now call the dodd frank law including the former staff directors for both the financial services committees. i would also like to recognize someone who had division

buckley and gore vidal. >> today -- the members are dwindling, talking about hot topics, hot, salaciousopic number two. whereas then i don't think that was the norm on tv at the time, and i don't think these guys needed -- as morgan said, these guys did not need -- >> howard was the moderator and he was a distinguished news man and i think he was embarrassed by this. he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today, you would not have the moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. really, i think everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night at 8 p.m. eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >> coming up next, democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton talks about the economy at an event in new york city. then a discussion of planned parenthood videos. and then a nether chance to see a summit held by the national governors -- governors association. >> democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton was in new york city friday, where she talked about her economic agenda. some of the proposals included changes to capital gains and executive

we forget -- our contributing editor, gore vidal, one of his favorite expressions was the united statessia. history is roaring back. we forget that wall street is not as dominant. the hyper financial is asian -- financialization, the weapons of mass destruction that the economy -- lou up the economy. i think we need to rain that in so there is more connection between the real economy and the wall street economy. there are simple things that are matters of fairness. warren buffett says he pays fewer taxes than his secretary. there are so many tax breaks because the very rich have income defense industry. they have the best lawyers,, investment advisors. there is no reason that private equity firms should have a secured interest tax break where they pay far lower taxes on investments. capital gains tax. well should be taxed -- wealth should be taxed equally if not at a higher rate than work. it is unfair that wealth is taxed at lower rates than work. people get shafted. in that shafting, people like bernie sanders find an anger and a passion among million who want to find a different path

documentary, best of enemies, on the 1968 debate between conservative william at -- william s buckley and gore vidal. >> it's very unlike today. today, i believe there is someone saying, you know, the numbers are dwindling. talk about hot topics. hot salacious topic number two. where is then, i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time. i don't think these guys needed that. >> as you mentioned the moderator was a distinguished news man, who i think was really kind of embarrassed by this. he was moderating, and he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today you would not have a moderator not stepping in every 30 seconds. i think really everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burned. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific, on c-span's q&a. >> on wednesday, house homeland security committee chair mike mccaul of texas talks about how the use of social media has changed homeland security counterterror the -- counterterrorism operation. he also commented on the threat of islamic extremism. he is followed by a panel that discusses these topics in depth, among the spe

buckley and gore vidal. >> today i believe, there's someone saying the numbers are dwindling, talk about, you know, hot, salacious topic number two. whereas them, i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time. and i don't think they needed that prodding. >> and howard k. smith, the moderator, a distinguished newsman, who i think was embarrassed by this. he was moderating, but sometimes disappears for five minutes at a time. today, a moderator jumps in every 30 seconds. >> sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on c-span's "q and a". >>> democratic candidates for president gathered in iowa last week. together, the comments to the iowa democratic party run just under two hours. >>> thank you very much. thank you, doctor mcgwire. congratulations to all of the hall of fame inductees. and thank you for inviting me to this exciting night in cedar rapids. tonight you'll hear from five good candidates with a wide range of passions and experiences. it's good to be in iowa. i'm a college wrestler and i have long admired the many hawkeye and cyclone champions. i'm the only candidate that

buckley and gore vidal. >> there is not someone in their ear, very unlike today.oday there is someone saying the numbers are dwindling, talk about hot topics, hot, salacious topic number two. whereas then, i don't think that was the norm on tv at the time and i don't think these guys needed -- as morgan said, these guys did not need -- >> howard was the moderator and he was a distinguished news man and i think he was embarrassed by this. he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today, you would not have the moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. really, i think everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night at 8 p.m. eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >> democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton was in new york city on friday, talking about her economic agenda. some of the proposals included changes to capital gains and executive compensation. at the start of this event, she spoke about her use of a private e-mail server well serving as secretary of state and allegations of classified information being mish

[inaudible] >> robert goldman and his partner talk about the 1968 debate between gore vidal over war politics god and sex. >> you know today, i believe, there is someone saying that the numbers are dwindling. talking about hot topic number two and i don't think that is the norm in tv at the time and that these guys are part of that. >> and he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time and everybody just stood back and let the fire burn. >> on c-span's "q&a" on sunday. >> the father of a woman who authorities say was killed by an undocumented immigrant in san francisco will testify on capitol hill tomorrow morning. the senate judiciary committee has called as part of a review of century city is which are cities that do not obey requests on patent enforcement to indefinitely hold inmates beyond the states. some say that this allows those illegal immigrants to commit crack. we will have live coverage at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> a russian on synthetic and designer drugs, including legalizing the drugs. this is one hour and a half. [inaudible] >> good afternoon. we ha

buckley and liberal gore vidal over war, politics god and sex. it is not someone in their ear are likely today. today i believe there is someone saying the numbers are dwindling, talk about hot topics, hot salacious topic number two what has been i don't think that wasn't was the norm in tv at the time. and i don't think these guys need it these guys didn't need that. >> howard k. smith was the moderator and he was a distinguished newspaper think was really kind of embarrassed by this. it was moderating but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today you would never moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. so i think really everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night at eight eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >> the u.s. senate is about to gavel in on this wednesday morning. they will be spending the first part of the day on general speeches. the highway bill is standing by for debate. it is that the porsche for highway bridge, mass transportation projects nationwide for the next six years. c

buckley and gore vidal over war politics, and god, and sex. >> there's not someone in their ear. very unlike today. you know, today, i believe there's someone saying, you know, the numbers are dwindling. talk about you know, hot topic, hot salacious topic number two. whereas then i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time. and i don't think these guys needed it as morgan said, these guys didn't need it. >> howard case was a moderator, who was a distinguished newsman, who was, i think really embarrassed by this. he was moderating, but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today, you wouldn't have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. so i think really everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on pacific. on c-span's q & a. >>> earlier this month the center for american progress the china-united states exchange program, released a report on u.s.-china relations. they hosted a discussion on that topic which included discussion on the two countries' common interests and concerns in the middle east. this

. -- gore vidal. >> today i believe there is someone saying, the numbers are dwindling. talk about hot topics, hot salacious topic number two. where is then, i don't think that was the norm. i don't think these guys needed that. >> as you mentioned, the moderator was a distinguished news man, who i think was really embarrassed. he was moderating, but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today was you would not have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. i think really everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >> monday on the communicators. fcc communicate -- the fcc's michael reilly on key issues before the sec -- fcc. >> when an item is made for an open commission meeting and is presented to the commission level, that document to be made available publicly. that would provide an opportunity for everyone to comment, to hone in on issues they may see. right now we have people who raise concerns regarding our items, but they don't exactly know if the what is being put forwar

buckley and gore vidal over war, politics, god, and sex. >> there's not someone in their ear, very unlike today. you know, today, i believe there's someone saying you know, the numbers are dwindling. talk about, you know hot topics, hot salacious topic number two. you know, whereas then, i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time. and i don't think these guys needed it, as morgan said, these guys didn't need that. >> the method of the moderator, who was really kind of embarrassed by this. he was moderating, but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today, you wouldn't have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. so i think really, everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's q & a. >> democrats on the house energy and commerce committee held a forum on climate change last friday at the u.s. naval academy in annapolis maryland. speakers included superintendent vice admiral walter carter. the forum examined the impact climate change has local coastal communities. this is about 1:45. >> let m

buckley and gore vidal over war, politics, god and sex. >> there is not someone in their ear unlike today. today i believe there is someone saying the numbers are -- dwindling, talk about hot topic, top salacious topic number two whereas then i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time and i don't think these guys needed -- as morgan said they didn't need this. >> howard k. smith was the moderator, a distinguished newsman who i think was really kind of embarrassed by this. he was moderating but he disappeared for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today you wouldn't have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. so i think really, everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >>> next, secretary of labor thomas perez testifies about a proposal to change investor adviser standards for savings accounts. it is aimed at eliminating conflict of interest for advisors. >> welcome to our visitors and welcome to our secretary of labor. secretary perez and our other members who will testify in a little bit and gl

enemies, on the 1968 debate between conservative william f buckley and will -- and liberal courted gore vidal. >> today, i believe there is someone saying the numbers are dwindling. talk about hot topics, hot salacious topic #2. then, that was not the norm on tv. i don't think these guys needed that. >> he was moderating, but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today, you would not have a moderator not jumping in 60 seconds at a time. >> sunday night at eight eastern and pacific. -- 8:00 eastern and pacific. american tv is featuring first ladies. that is that it :00 p.m. eastern -- at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. the conversations with experts and that he or tours and questions with the audience, we tell us stories of the 45 first ladies. and now, frances cleveland. this is 90 minutes. susan: frances cleveland was a celebrity first later unlike any before her. and the mass production of her image to sell a bride of goods -- variety of goods by the consumer industry angered her and her husband, president grover cleveland. to help us understand the sensation sweeping t

documentary "best of enemies" on the debate between william f buckley and glow-in-the-dark -- and gore vidal. >> there's not someone in there in. very unlike today. today, there's someone saying the numbers are dwindling, talk about hot topic number two. whereas then i don't think that was the norm on tv at the time. i. do not think these guys needed it. >> the moderator was a distinguished news man. he was kind of embarrassed by this. he was moderating but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today, you would not have a moderator jumping in every 30 seconds. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >> nigerian president muhammadu buhari met with president obama to talk about the boko haram and violence in nigeria. later, president buhari spoke in an event hosted by the u.s. chamber of commerce. [applause] muhammadu buhari -- >> please sit down, ladies and gentlemen. when we read our speeches in the other room, the audience was so small. in fact, i wondered why some of the governors turned down our invitation only for me to find in here. i, too will

about the 1960 a debate between berkeley and corbett all -- gore but all -- gore vidal. it was very unlike today. >> today i believe there is someone saying, the numbers are dwindling. talk about hot topics. hot salacious topic number two. then a i don't think that was the norm in tv at that time, and i don't think these guys needed that. >> and he mentioned, the moderator, a distinguished news man. i think he was really embarrassed by this. he was moderating, but he does appear as for five or more minutes at a time. today you would not have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. i really think everybody at abc just stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific. >> c-span gives you the best access to congress. live coverage of the u.s. house congressional hearings, and news conferences. bringing you events that shape public policy. and every morning, "washington journal" is live with elected officials, policymakers, and journalists. and your comments by phone, facebook and twitter. c-span, created by american cable companies. "washin

on the 1968 debate between william f buckley and corbett all -- gore the doll -- vidal. >> is very unlike today. today i believe there is someone saying, the numbers are dwindling. talk about hot topic, hot salacious topic number two. where's then, i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time, and i don't think these guys needed it. >> interesting was news man was the monitor, who i think was really kind of embarrassed by this. he was moderating, but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today you would not have a monitor not jumping in every 30 seconds. i think really, everybody at abc just stood back and let firebird -- fire burn. >> tonight on it -- at 8:00 eastern and pacific. >> members of the president's cabinet team were on capitol hill on thursday, testifying about the iran nuclear agreement. secondary estate john kerry energy secretary ernest money, and secretary treasury jack lew. this portion of the hearing is three hours. [applause] [indiscernible] >> i want to thank the witnesses for being here today. i want to thank all of those also who are in att

talk about their documentary, best of enemies on the 1960 debate between william f buckley and gore but vidalery unlike today. today, there is someone saying the numbers are dwindling, talk about hot topics, hot topic number two. i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time. i don't think these guys needed that. >> the moderator was a distinguished news man who was really kind of embarrassed by this. he was moderating, but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today, you would not have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. everybody at abc stood back and let the fire burn. >> sunday night and it is not and pacific on c-span's q&a -- sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >> establishing the china collection -- she was interested in women's issues and help create funds for johns hopkins university on the condition that it admit women. she was the first general of the daughters of the american revolution. caroline harrison, this sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's original series "first ladies, influence and image." from martha wash

documentary, best of enemies, on the 1968 debate between conservative lien of ugly and liberal gore the doll -- vidal. >> it is very unlike today. today i believe there is someone saying, you know, the numbers are dwindling. talk about hot topics, hot salacious topic number two. whereas then, i don't think that was the norm in tv at the time. i don't think these guys needed that. >> the moderator was a distinguished news man. i think he was really kind of embarrassed by this. he was moderating, but he disappears for sometimes five or more minutes at a time. today you would not have a moderator not jumping in every 30 seconds. i think really everybody at abc just sit back and let the fire burn. >> tonight at it got eastern and pacific, on c-span's q&a. >> monday on the communicators fcc commissioner michael o'rielly on key issues before the fcc, like net neutrality, regulating the internet, and the public influence on policymaking. >> when an item is made for in -- an open committee meeting that document should be made available publicly. i think that would provide an opportunity for everyone to comme

buckley and liberal gore vidal.he debates took place during the democratic and republican party presidential nominating conventions. brian: robert gordon, why did you do this documentary on bill buckley and gore vidal? robert: because it was exhilarating to watch them have dialogue back and forth and though it was 45 years ago, it spoke very much to the present tense. brian: and i'll ask the same to your partner in crime over here. morgan: robert called me and said he had come across a bootleg tape of some of these debate between william buckley and gore vidal. did i want to see them? absolutely, i wanted to see them. [laughter] my first job out of college was working for gore vidal as his back checker. -- fact checker. i was very interested in him as a character. buckley was someone we all knew from being such a tv presence, but when i saw the debates i saw something that was really speaking to today as much as it was to 1968. and then, we got excited and decided to make a film about it. brian: when did they start