gosnell 'scareeritwasthedrugs.bortionmillat nig theclinicwasanabortionmillatnig htbut authorities say he was up to no good during the day as well. they raided the clinic because they believed it was a pill mill that illegally sold prescriptions for powerful pain killers and other medicines. >> the search is a >> the search was an investigation into a massive illegal drug selling operation involving prescriptions for ox cotton and other narcotics. >> the fbi and dea led the raid on february 13th, 2010. >> they thought they would find a normal clinic that allowed this doctor to make so much money for so many people to get illegal prescriptions for narcotics. what they discovered was a horrific, almost out of one of the worst movies or horror novels that you could image. >> officials from the pennsylvania department of health and department of state came along. according to the grand jury report it was their first visit to the clinic in more than 15 years. >> instead of just seeing pills they saw blood. bloodstained w

finally, pearl gosnell, dr.osnell's wife pleaded guilty to illegal late term abortion and conspiracy. she would not testify against her husband. the others would testify at trial to what they saw and what they did. horrible crimes no longer are alleged but admitted. actual people that worked under the employ of dr. kermit gosnell admitd that they murdered babies as part of the regular routine practice of what was going on in that shop of horrors. this isn't speculation. this isn't a theory by the prosecution. this is real and it is murder. >> the remaining question was is whether a jury would find gosnell himself guilty of any of the killings. he pleaded not guilty to murder and a long list of lesser charges that included infanticide, conspiracy. his employee would stand trial with him on charges of theft by deception and racketeering. in early march a 17 member jury was impanelled including alternates. 8 men and 9 women. in the opening argument gosnell's attorney told them the case was a prosecutorial lynching

finally, pearl gosnell, dr.nell's wife pleaded guilty to illegal late term abortion and conspiracy. she would not testify against her husband. the others would testify at trial to what they saw and what they did. horrible crimes no longer alleged but admitted. >> actual people that worked under the employ of dr. kermit gosnell admitted that they murdered babies as part of the regular routine practice of what was going on in that shop of horrors. so this isn't speculation. this isn't a theory by the prosecution. this is real and it is murder. >> bret: the remaining question was whether a jury would find gosnell himself guilty of any of the killings. he pleaded not guilty to murder and a long list of lesser charges that included infantacide, conspiracy, illegal late term abortions. his employee eileen o'neill would stand charge with him on charges of theft by deception. a 17 member jury was impanelled including alternates. there were 8 men and nine women. in the opening argument gosnell's attorney told them prosec

finally, pearl gosnell, dr. gosnell's wife pleaded guilty to illegal late term abortion and conspiracy. she would not testify against her husband. the others would testify at trial to what they saw and what they did. horrible crimes no longer alleged but admitted. >> actual people that worked under the employ of dr. kermit gosnell admitted that they murdered babies as part of the regular routine practice of what was going on in that shop of horrors. so this isn't speculation. this isn't a theory by the prosecution. this is real and it is murder. >> bret: the remaining question was whether a jury would find gosnell himself guilty of any of the killings. he pleaded not guilty to murder and a long list of lesser charges that included infantacide, conspiracy, illegal late term abortions. his employee eileen o'neill would stand charge with him on charges of theft by deception. a 17 member jury was impanelled including alternates. there were 8 men and nine women. in the opening argument gosnell's attorney told them pr

gosnell. shannon is up and ready to report. at this point we don't know what the verdict is yet. at it our belief they're reedling it now but that could go on for quite some time. we believe it gap 30 -- began 30 minutes ago when they locked everybody in and said no more communicating. the prosecutor's called this man's practice a house of horrors and murdered not one but at least four live babies, staff members at the clinic say they saw each of the babies move, breathe, or whine, outside the mother's body, before the doctor cut their spinal cords with scissors. prosecutors cute him of murdering a patient, claiming his untrained, unlicensed staff, gave her a deadly drug overdose. the defense attorney called the prosecution's leadist and ray sis. jurors deliberated for now a total of ten days. shannon, any update? reporter: well, we heard that announcement about 45 minutes ago that it appeared the courtroom was going to lock down and there was a verdict. our producer, who was inside and has co

gosnell for this care. were they in any legal jeopardy themselves in violation of pennsylvania's law? and did they testify against dr. gosnell? >> two did testify. one of whom was then a 15-year-old... i'm sorry, a 17-year-old girl. no, they were not in any legal jeopardy. i don't know if they were given immunity but i believe possibly the statute would have run anyway. so we only heard from two abortion patients. again one was a 17-year-old who ended up getting an infection. she was the one who her baby was estimates to be perhaps 30 weeks old. staffers were so surprised that they took cell phone pictures afterward. once the f.b.i. recovered the pictures that became some of the prime evidence and most disturbing evidence in the case. that woman testified that she ended up with sepsis and was hospitalized for to weeks. gosnell did not provide very good care of the women themselves. >> suarez: dr. gosnell did not take the stand in his own defense but he has spoken of over time his motivations and his actions

gosnell's clinic served mostly poor women. after the facility was raided in 2010, photos showed unsafe and unsanitary conditions. the case has fueled arguments on both sides of the abortion debate. opponents of abortion rights say gosnell's practice was not an aberration and highlights the need, they say, for stricter regulation of abortion clinics. yet supporters of abortion rights argue gosnell's practice was an exception, an extreme case, they say, that demonstrates the need for women to have access to safe, legal abortions. gosnell will be sentenced next tuesday, scott. prosecutors are asking for the death penalty. >> pelley: michelle, thank you. there is a manhunt in new orleans tonight after a mass shooting yesterday during a parade. 19 people were wounded and three are in critical condition. mark strassmann was there. >> reporter: new orleans police say they're looking for as many as three men accused of opening fire at a mother's day parade. roughly 200 people were on this street corner celebrating. 27-year-old jarrett

kermit gosnell's attorney. back guilty of first degree numbered and dozens of other first degree misdemeanor charges convicted of killing babies in his abortion clinic following botched abortions now. wait to see what the sentence will be. kirsten you have followed this from the beginning and your column kind of woke people up a bit in the mainstream media your thoughts on this verdict and what it means. >> i think that he was found guilty as he should have been. his attorney had been trying to make the case to the jury this is what he was paid to do. he was paid to kill these babies and why would he be found guty of this. gosnell looked befuddled and surprised that this is considered murder. so, i think that, you know, certainly an important thing for us to at least all be able to agree on the fact that sning a baby's neck after it comes after a mother's body is a heinous crime. >> since 1973 when the supreme court decided roe v. wade, abortion choice has been a pitched political battle in america. one side fi

and the 258 counts against gosnell.charges are the first of the charges against him on that jury sheet. if they go in order, those will be high up in the order of what's read. the problem is everybody's locked into that courtroom essentially. the judge said he would have two burly bailiffs guarding the door. now we wait until our producer can make it out. >> we'll see everybody rush out to get information to their reporters like shannon as soon as they are permitted. right now, that jury has done its job and we are told has reached a verdict and we will be back in moments, we hope, with that verdict and full analysis with kirsten powers, jennifer reuben and others. lable out the. i knew devry university would give me the skills that i needed to make one of those tech jobs mine. we teach cutting-edge engineering technology, computer information systems, networking and communications management -- the things that our students need to know in the world today. our country needs more college grads to help fill all the open t

kermit gosnell.operated the abortion clinic for 30 years in west philadelphia and this man faces hundreds of counts but specifically four counts of first degree murder. so if convicted he could face the death penalty. after the break we're going to bring in paul callan. he is a cnn legal analyst. i want to ask him what he will find most surprising. back after this. we had never used a contractor before and didn't know where to start. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. no company can pay to be on angie's list, so you can trust what you're reading. angie's list is like having thousands of close neighbors where i can go ask for personal recommendations. that's the idea. before you have any work done, check angie's list. from roofers to plumbers to dentists and more, angie's list -- reviews you can trust. i love you, angie. sorry, honey. i i had pain in my abdomen...g. it just wouldn't go away. i was spotting, but i had alrea

kermit gosnell set up in 1979. clinic was granted department of health approval in december of that year. the approve being good for 12 months. yet, the next documented review of the clinic was not until 198 theth. further reviews followed follon '92 and again in 1993 and then nothing, not a single inspection until 2010 following the death when officials raided the clinic to seize evidence of gosnell's illegal prescription drug business. prosecutors were scathing in their grand jury reports saying that while the crimes gosnell committed were shocking, quote: what surprised the jurors even more the official neglect that allowed these crimes to exist for years in a philadelphia medicine cad facility. they went on quote the department has shown an utter disregard both for the safety of women who seek treatment at abortion clinics and for the health of fetuses after they have become viable. an the report says the department of health has chosen not to enforce laws that should have forced patients at abortion clinics sa

gosnell convicted, many in the pro-life movement say the fight is far from over.hey worry there may be many other clinics that may be operating under the radar, just like kermit gosnell's clinic did. john jessup, cbn news, fil philadelphia. >> george: up next, understanding islam and its followers. the new d.v.d. that is c2lping christians introduce musls to jeses christ.t. >> george: how should christians respond to islamic terrorism? it can cause some people to fear their muslim neighbors. a new d.v.d. is instructing christians about islam and how to share their faith without fear. it is all being done with the help of former muslims. gary lane shows us more. >> reporter: most muslim immigrants come to north america for educational and economic opportunities. others come to escape oppression. on a rare occasion, some, like these brothers, harm the nation that has welcomed them. watchti is a former islam from sudan. >> suddenly when they come here, they change. they change to be fanatic. >> reporter: the government can only do so much to protect us from islamic f

gosnell now faces the death penalty. terry moran, abc news, new york. >>> and we're learning more tonight about the answer to a question a lot of us have been asking. how could anyone go inside that house in cleveland and have no idea three women were being held captive there? tonight the brothers of ariel castro are speaking out. what did they see? what did they hear? and how were they deceived? abc's alex perez has the latest. >> reporter: how is it possible to visit this house time and time again and still not know about the horrors inside? for the first time, ariel castro's brothers are speaking out. >> there was no signs of anything like that. >> i didn't go to his house very much. but when i did, he would let me in, not past the kitchen. >> reporter: in an interview with cnn, pedro and onil castro, who were arrested along with their brother but later cleared and released, say they had no idea amanda berry, gina dejesus, and michelle knight were held hostage for a decade inside the house. >> could you see anything b

kermit gosnell. kimberly is with us.do you think this reignites the issue of right to life versus abortion as a public policy issue? >> bob, great question. it puts a spotlight on it and brings it to the forefront of discussion and the media outlets that were brave enough to cover it like fox news has been. you listen to this and what happened to these babies and not rethink abortion and choice and all of it. >> what do you think? >> i think it does. i think there was a reporter who was pro choice who switched to pro life when he heard the details of this. i want to ask kimberly, the media presence there, is it what you expected? early on you were the first to be there of the first to be there, and you have been there throughout. have they caught on this is a big story? >> it was remarkable. when i went there we were one of the few people in the courtroom and then the courtroom started to fill as the interest in the case grew. the concern and the compassion. since you made the point whether this rekindles the debate. the

gosnell now faces the death penalty.an, abc news, new york. >>> another high-profile courtroom drama is unfolding in las vegas. o.j. simpson is asking a judge for a new trial in his kidnapping and robbery conviction. the former football great is expected to take the stand as early as today to claim his lawyer did a bad job during trial. >> i think he does want to be heard. i mean, that's why we're bringing these claims forward. >> it's going to be risky and it's going to be high drama. >> it will be the first time we've heard from simpson on the stand. he did not testify in either of his two previous trials. >>> newly released records show cleveland kidnapping suspect ariel castro's background is littered with run-ins with police than previously thought. records show cops were called in connection with three alleged beatings of castro's wife, several incidents as well. it's not clear if any of the incidents could have led police to the three women castro is accused of holding for a decade. >> meantime, we are hearing fro

gosnell's clinic. this isn't about women who wanted to seek legal abortions and got butchered for the most part. about women who were on the border line and a doctor who couldn't have cared less about what the law said. so you need oversight. you need oversight. >> bill: of course, in health capacity it doesn't matter whether it's abortion. anything you need oversight. i wanted to point out the planned parenthood statement. i want to read it again. this is shocking. the verdict will ensure that no woman is victimized by kermit gosnell ever again. as megyn said women were victimized. no mention of the babies killed. if you think he killed three babies. >> hundreds alleged snippings, but only a few where they were born alive and they could prove it. >> bill: corruption in maryland. the factor will continue its investigation as jesse watters confronts the governor of that state. and then duck dynasty wily robinson will be here. can't wait. >> bill: thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly in the fact

gosnell.t-degree murder charges in the deaths of four babies and an adult. he faces 268 counts overall. if convicted, he faces life in prison. rehem a ellis. it was just earlier the jury was deadlocked on two of the counts. >> reporter: we're told the jury has reached a verdict. it was this morning that they been there and told the judge as you point out that they couldn't come to an agreement on two of the charges. and the judge did what judges do in cases like this. he instructed the jurors to go back into the deliberation room and to try to come up with a verdict. it is a jury of seven women and five men. and this is the tenth day that they have been deliberating this case. it has gone on a couple of years. dr. gosnell was picked up and in jail since january of 2011. so the case is one that a lot of people in philadelphia and around the country are watching very closely. particularly now to see what the verdict will be of. >> michael smerconish is joining us based out of pennsylvania. you'v

gosnell may get the death penalty? >> again, there's a gag order as far as the -- i can talk about generalities but as far as that concern, i'd rather not comment on that right now. obviously we -- if that comes to it, we'll mount the defense to that. but that's next tuesday. we're just dealing with today, today. >> lastly, sir, do you blame the media and the focus on this among some conservatives for the verdict, or is this just what was in the courtroom was in the courtroom? >> no, i don't blame that. i mean, there was obviously a tremendous amount of that everywhere. i mean, nobody was really rooting for dr. gosnell, i can tell you that. but, again, i don't believe that had the effect on the jury. this jury was conscientious. they cared. they spent a lot of time. and, again, by the nature of the verdict, that is, finding not guilty of some, guilty of other counts, they obviously thought about the evidence, were conscientious. that's all we can expect out of our jury system. >> lastly, sir, do you think it would help

we're on verdict watch in the case of this man, kermit gosnell.e's an abortion provider accused of murdering four babies and a grown woman. and he could in fact face a possibility of death. kermit gosnell verdict watch also breaking right now. >>> first, fox news special coverage for a moment on today's congressional hearing on the deadly attack on our consulate in benghazi. we're hearing from three state department officials with firsthand experience of the attack. two of whom are speaking publicly on capitol hill for the first time. according to the chairman of the house oversight committee, darrell issa, parts of their testimony sheds a different light on the u.s. government response to the assault from the administration accounts. all three witnesses, professionals in their fields, who have stayed out of the political left-right debate. mark thompson, former marine helps run the county terrorism bureau. eric nordstrom, and gregory hicks game the top u.s. diplomat in libya after the death of our embassador, chris stevens. today hicks recounted

and they say gosnell committed first degree murder.efense says no, they were dead and any movements or noises were postmortem spasms. gosnell has pleaded not guilty in this case and you may remember at the end of the defense case last week, the defense rested last week and did not call one single witness. >> shepard: for more on the case, watch our fox news reporting special tonight, "see no evil, the kermit gosnell casey stegall case. 9 eastern. >>> police arrested dozens of baggage handlers after hidden cameras caught them going through passengers' bags and stealing all kinds of stuff. happened in italy, police there say they couldn't figure out who was doing the stealing until they hid the cameras in the baggage compartments. they arrested so far 29 people. >>> the morgue released the body of a dead boston bombing suspect. we don't know what happens next. questions over the burial spot. and the trial that seemingly would not end is a giant step closer to finally ending. after spending the past four months listening to the evidence,

kermit gosnell's clinic had not been inspected by the state of pennsylvania for 17 years. to the grand jury report because the state at that time under pro-choice governor tom ridge decided inspections would put up a quote, barrier to women seeking abortion. ridge did not return our calls for comment. in washington, molly henneburg, fox news. >> the jury continues deliberations in the gosnell trial. we'll bring you that verdict as soon as it comes in next week possibly. >>> two big names in tuesday's special election to fill south carolina's first congressional district, elizabeth elizabeth c bush. when he went to argentina with his mistress for days. sanford said he doesn't think the affair he had is a major impediment to his potential comeback. >>> once upon a time, a lot of owners thought the internet could be the death of them. but now it's breathing life into their bottom line. we'll tell you about that when we come back. >>> and it takes a lot of courage to rappel down a 15-story building. we'll talk to one lady that challenges much bigger tackles every day. and our

kermit gosnell. before i do, i do want to mention a couple of things about the previous special order, my friends across the other side of the aisle who were talking about, for instance, medicare and coverage under medicare and obamacare pointing out that insurance companies are not as good as the government in terms of denying care and i would suggest to my friends that at least you can change your insurance companies. you cannot change your government. and so i see that as a fatal flaw among many with obamacare. also, a lot of time was spent talking about income disparity, and i absolutely agree with my friends that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer in america. but i have to have a hint for them, mr. speaker. president barack obama has been our president for the last nearly five years. it's his policies that's creating that situation. in fact, unemployment levels among minorities, particularly hispanics and african-americans, are at historically high levels and it's becaus

kermit gosnell and his staff killed babies that had been born alive. >> wendy: despite the horrific nature of the trial, it didn't get much coverage from the major media. john jessup has the story from philadelphia. >> reporter: it may be all smiles for these teens dancing in downtown philadelphia, but just steps away, in this courthouse, the trial of 72-year-old late-term abortion doctor, kermit gosnell, has driven many to anger and tears. >> it is really the first time that an african-american abortionist in an african-american neighborhood was preying on hhis own people for profit. >> reporter: gosnell faces the death penalty, one in the death of a 41-year-old woman who overdosed while in his care. the others for killing babies by cutting their spines with scissors after they reportedly had been born alive. past patients describe his now shuttered abortion clinic as a house of horrors. >> i remember just walking through and looking and seeing some women that looked half dead. >> reporter: in reviewing the case, grand jury members said it was a failure to report and enforce broken violat

more than 250 against gosnell.the jurors' questions seem to be aimed at the codefendant's case. today we got a clear indication they have moved on to the most serious charges against dr. gosnell, asking the judge for instructions and guidance on charges, first degree and third degree and infanticide, a source said it indicates the jurors have decided gosnell did something wrong but now they're trying to decide how they agree on exactly what it was he did wrong. by contrast, the defense team all along has been very confident, as you said, the defense team says none of the babies gosnell was accused of killing ever showed any signs of life outside the mother's womb. they say they're so confident they didn't put on a case, essentially resting their case when the prosecution wrapped up its case. the defense never put on a single witness. the asked gosnell's attorney what he thinks about the jurors' questions. >> normal questions in any homicide i have been doing this for 35 years, and that's a -- almost a standard ques

according to his lawyer, gosnell has no remorse. >> dr. gosnell -- no.lieves that what he did was not homicide. he believes that he never killed a live baby. >> today gosnell's clinic in west philadelphia is all locked up, but eerily casts made to look like baby hands remain in the window. jurors in this case spoke today about what led them to convict gosnell on three first-degree murder charges. >> the premeditation, it was just business as usual with him. he snipped the necks no matter what happened. >> there were children that died at the hands of this man, you know. that was what was hard for me to admit, that that kind of evil exists in this world. >> a source tells fox that before the jury was dismissed today, the court brought in a psychological counselor to talk with them because of all the grizzly details and the gruesome nature of the details they've had to listen to for the past two months. bret? >> bret: molly, thank you. the to talk about it all when we come back. 150 years. from the civil war era, right up to today. and through it all, the

gosnell? >> as i said before, dr. gosnell was a dream client.this business, some of them aren't a dream. two and a half years he has been a gentleman, polite. fully appreciative of the work i have done for him. a complete gentleman. he a soft spoken man. he is an intelligent man. i'm not going sit there and tell you that things didn't get out of hand and things went a bit awry, but as far as the totality of gosnell, he is not just defined by the events of 2008. he is defined by 72 years of life. >> megyn: a bit awry? jack, the testimony was the babies were born alive on the operating table and crying. >> first of all. that is not the testimony. i can give you the the transcripts. >> megyn: jury found he was guilty of murder? >> absolutely. we respect the verdict. he kon got convicted but he wase of them were not guilty. >> megyn: i'm challenging your assertion that things went awry at the clinic? >> there was no oversight. nobody came and looked at that location. things went downhill. i would agree with that. it should have been checked on yearl

kermit gosnell. >> reporter: gosnell pleaded not guilty to the charges including four counts of first-degree murder involving infants, one count of third degree murder of a 41-year-old patient, and 24 counts of illegal late-term abortions. three previous charges of first-degree murder were dropped for lack of evidence. gosnell's defense rested without calling witnesses including the defendant, and accused prosecutors of extraordinary hype and exaggeration. if found guilty he faces the death penalty. the grand jury criticized pennsylvania health officials for not doing more. the clinic wasn't inspected for 17 years, despite repeated complaints. local crime reporter larry miller grew up in the same neighborhood. >> that particular part of the city feels as though they have been left behind, that they have been ignored by the government, by the local government, the state government. >> reporter: is that because they are poor? >> it is because they are poor. >> reporter: the department of health has since changed its laws. clinics that provide abortions are now subject to annual and random insp

kermit gosnell. asking the judge for guidance today about the difference between the first and third degree murder charges asking about inif a is a side. charges are that he killed infants born alive at his clinic. there are scores of additional charges against gosnell along with conspiracy and corruption. he is also charged with 24 felony counts of performing an abortion more than 24 weeks into a pregnancy. a conviction on any of those particular felony charges could carry jail time and at age 72. likely gosnell may never again be a free man even if he is not found guilty on the murder charges but convicted on some of the lesser charges which also include 227 misdemeanor counts. gosnell's defense attorney jack mcmahon specifically mentioned the fox news special see no evil that aired this weekend outlining the history of gosnell as west philadelphia clinic. asked if they this seen it. >> the judge asked the question. apparently no one had heard it, so he we will move on. a police source who had work

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the murder trial of abortion doctor kermit gosnell is now in the hands of the jury. decision of the fda to allow 15-year-old girls access to over-the-counter plan b abortion pills. what about it, jim. the media is still not really giving the gosnell murder trial its due. >> right, the media research center calculated out that abc news, for example, has done 41 other stories on crime for 109 minutes and still zero on the gosnell case. >> jon: why? >> well, as we talked about last week, i think it's a combination of the media are pro-choice and the story is difficult and challenging. it really is hard to get people to sit still and watch or read about any detail. as rich said in a piece on this case, if you talk about abortion you have to mention the word abortion. then you have to think about what abortion is and the media don't want to go there. >> jon: the media does want to write about plan b. it's being applauded that decision? >> it depends on your political outlook on whether or not it's being applauded. we also had the decision by the obama administration to ch

gosnell, talking about horror shows and abortion.he democrats are so in lock step with the abortion industry they are looking for a way to throw a buck in cold water. we don't want to put the focus on clinics like this. we want to just sort of make it something else. make it go away. let's pretend this isn't what it is about. i wonder if you ask them to condemn charles manson or psychopath in cleveland where whether they could agree with that. ariel castro may get the hospitality award from democrats in congress. i can't believe that. even this is an issue. you can't get this through the senate, what can you get done? >> megyn: the reason mike lee was necessary because there is a reason the clinic didn't go inspected for 17 years. according to the grand jury report. they decided not to do it. the pennsylvania department of health under republican governor tom ridge decided that inspections would be, qaet quote putting up a barrier for women getting abortions. even though gosnell proved that meant both women and babies would pay. and

religious leaders from held a news conference to address gosnell and the verdict.tional problem that has becoming increasingly more pronounced over the years. he ran his bloody clinic in a black neighborhood where he made millions of dollars killing black children. he got away with it simply because he could. after all, no one really cares about poor black babies, do they gosnell knew he could kill black children and no one would blink an eye. >> bob: good point she raises. percentage of the population, blacks 6 a much higher percentage of borgsz which seems to be an issue that ought to resonate in the black community. maybe this kicks it off. what do you think? >> eric: here is what i think. during that trial the defense said there are tons of doctors that are doing this right now. they said tons of doctors doing this exactly what gosnell doing. he copped a plea deal. he won't get death but spend the rest of his life in prison because he won't appeal the sentence or verdict. i want to hear about the tons of doctors that are doing it. >> bob: does this one have leg

let's begin with kermit gosnell the philadelphia abortion doctor.ans of the jury now. >> exactly. >> bill: gosnell's lawyer didn't call anybody, no witnesses in the defense. goz nell couldn't get up there. >> doesn't have to but he didn't, right. >> bill: you predict what will happen. >> i predict guilty all five counts of murder for the four infants and murder for this patient that came in and was killed. >> bill: quick verdict tomorrow or next day. >> no, i think this will take some time. seven week trial it's going to take time for them to go through. here is the main legal issue that the prosecution had to show and i think they did it through their witnesses. were the babies born. were they alive and then gosnell and everybody, you know, killed them in a horrible, horrible way. you are predicting guilty on all counts but not execution. >> no, not execution. he is not going to do it. 72-year-old guy. they are not going to do that. >> bill: life in prison and you say. >> they may hang on the death penalty. i was there yesterday for the closing arg

gosnell's life should he become convicted.re this person is a star part of the process and do you know anything that they have that can mitigate for this doctor? >> reporter: know what is interesting? we never heard about a mitigation specialist in this case and i have to tell you why some high profile cases do have a mitigation specialist, we haven't heard or seen of that in this case. what we have heard is that perhaps, perhaps dr. gosnell may take the witness stand. he did not testify during the guilt phase. it is his right not to do so. the burden is always on the prosecution but his defense attorney jack mcmahon told me yesterday that certainly this is something they are considering and i also have had the opportunity to speak to people just from around dr. gosnell's neighborhood who considered him to be a good person, a good neighbor and good neighborhood doctor and many suspec he may testify on his own behalf. and above all else, ashlee, let's face it, that, i think, is the person that this jury wants to hear from becau

i recently spoke with gosnell attorney jack mcmahon., couple, after the verdict came in you were complimentary to the jury so i guess you are convinced your client was guilty. >> no. i was complimentary to the jury because they did their service. they worked hard, two and a half months, to weeks of deliberations, they came in as civic duty and they did their duty and they were con sen shut. >> they must have made a right decision or you would have criticized them for making the wrong decision, right? >> no. that's not true at all. i don't -- i don't criticize the decision that they make because whatever they make is the right decision. that's the verdict, that's the nature of the verdict in a criminal case. >> do you believe that your client was guilty? >> i don't believe that the commonwealth established that the three fetuses, infants were born alive. that was our argument all the way through. i believe that. i think that you have to remember these were injected with a legal drug in uterond that the purpose of that is to cause fetal d

this is what absolutely has happened in the gosnell case.ake abc, ben sherwood sherwood gave them a blackout at abc. it took them 56 days to dov the gosnell trial. this was after there was verdict. what is going on at abc? this is huge story with public policy implications, death. it's unbelievable that abc news can't bring themselves to cover it for 56 days. >> i think it's a tragic story but not huge story. i don't think there is a press story, other than the press being busy, this taking place in philadelphia. not enough manpower and not a typical national media story. >> everybody is on jodi arias. >> the press is caught up. the press was late, derelict but not a big media story. >> i compare it to rodney king. that was solid news for a year. >> this is different. you don't know that gosnell is one off event or is it part of a pattern of abuse. does this go on all the time any have to agree until i see evidence to the contrary. >> 55 million dead babies and counting. that is a lot of potential taxpayers. >> jon: the question is anybody k

gosnell awaits a jury decision.rtroom drama today involving fox news. >> sometimes defense attorneys and people have trouble with the truth, with the facts, with the evidence. >> what happened? >> we sat in the courtroom. we heard it and we reported on the facts of the case exactly what happened using grand jury testimony, transcripts from the courtroom out of the mouths of the witnesses who were present at the time when these crimes were committed by dr. gosnell and his staff. >> the defense attorney said what? >> the defense attorney was very angry, upset with it and wanted to talk to the judge and question the jurors in particular to see if anyone had seen the fox news special and whether or not it would influence their decision. this is no surprise having tried high-profile cases defense attorneys do this when there is media coverage because they say maybe the jury was influenced. they try and get a mistrial and a juror excused so the case has to be retried. >> he certainly wouldn't have had to ask about seeing