>> their names vary from gospel to gospel. had is agreement there were other women involved. >> other women in jesus' life. >> quie clearly. his group of disciples probably totalled about 30 and they included both men and women. >> how many women? >> we can't say because the breakdown is not given to us. however, i would estimate we are dealing with about a dozen women who were regularly the followers of jesus. >> jesus was called a nazarene and mary magdalene is known as what. >> the mag dalien. >> anything there in front of us that means anything beyond a similarity of rhyme. >> in both aramaic and greek those two names echo one another linking jesus and mary magdalene. in addition to that there is a nice play on their backgrounds. the term magdalene as i was just saying associates mary with the impurity that mag dala had become notorious for because of its proximity to tiberias. jesus' name the nazarene picks up on that old testament vow called the nazrite vow which had at its aim making a person a special vehicle of purity

in the gospel, st.ong and courageous man, a working man, yet in his heart, we see great tenderness, which is not the virtue of the weak, but rather a sign of spirit, compassion and concern. for compassion, genuine openness to others for love. we must not be afraid of goodness, of tenderness. today, together with the feast of st. joseph, we are celebrating the beginning of the ministry of the new bishop of rome, the successor of peter, which also involves a certain power. certainly, jesus christ conferred power upon peter. but what sort of power was it? jesus' three questions to peter were love followed by three commands, feet my lambs, feed my sheep. let us never forget that authentic power is service and that the pope, too, when exercising power must enter ever more fully into that service which has its radiant cu culmonation of the cross. it marked st. joseph. he must open his arms to protect all of god's people. embrace with tender affection the whole of humanity, especi especially the poorest, the w

the gospel will be proclaimed in greek.hat's for many of the representatives of the eastern churches, the orthodox churches. >> we're also joined by raymond arroyo, who is the news director for the eternal word television network. thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> delighted to be here. >> it's been a remarkable morning so far. and i want to get a sense of what struck you. >> the thing that strikes me most, i was there yesterday. and when the pope came out of that little mass at santa ana, still the parish church of the vatican, to watch those crowds just see the expression on their faces, it was -- you wouldn't have seen justin bieber get this kind of reaction. people went crazy for him. and he seems to genuinely love that personal touch. and it is not -- it is a marked departure from what we saw earlier. it reminds me an awful lot of john paul ii. people do much the same thing. >> can we listen in here a little bit? i think this is the second reading, now in spanish. >> translator: the promise of inherit

his crime, preaching the gospel. in these photos, you can see men hanging outside the prison, in an attempt to bring more terror to the prison inmates. >> the name really scared me. i had dreamed of the revolution, and people we knew and family members who were hanged in that prison. >> reporter: before he was sentenced, saeed could skype with his family, now they have no personal contact. only letters from family and friends. the latest telling him that saeed is being tortured in an effort to get him to renounce his faith. >> i said, they have no idea who they are dealing with. since he accepted christ and his life changed, he was very committed. it doesn't matter what beatings he goes through. it doesn't matter if they say we're going to kill you. >> wendy: as a wife, what has been the hardest part of this for you? >> the lord has given me grace to go to his presence and get my comfort. but as a mom, every time it is like a stab in my heart when i see them struggling and i can't do anything about it. my son is very

in the gospel's st.courageous man, a working man, yet in his heart, we see great tenderness, which is not the virtue of the weak, but rather a sign of strength, of spirit, and a capacity for concern, for compassion, for general openness to others, for love, the capacity to love. we must not be afraid of goodness, of tenderness. today, today, together, with the feast of st. joseph, we are celebrating the beginning of the ministry of the new bishop of rome, the successor of peter, which also involves a certain power. certainly, jesus christ conferred power upon peter, but what sort of power was it? jesus asks gentlemens of peter about love are followed by three commands, feed my lambs, feed my sheep, let us never forget their authentic power is service and that the pope, too, when exercising power, must enter even more fully into that service which adds its radiant culmination on the cross. he must be inspired by the lowly and faithful service which marked with tender affection, which marked st. joseph, an

security official says forces stopped the attackers before gospel. al-qaeda is on the rise in north africa. in the bull's eye is country of mali. gary lane traveled to the town of diaboli. >> reporter: for more than a fight in mali. 75-year-old villager describes how rebel gun fire frightened him. he has never sxeerns ee ee eed experienced such terror. >> they started selling drugs. >> and train them to be good drug dealers. something? >> cut off their hands, no. that is not koranic law >> reporter: when the french thankful. they have traumatic stories to tell. this man says they beat him and carried him away on sticks like meat. rebels shot and killed his younger brother. they showed us the storage room where h h b buried him. his family still mourns including the young children will not grow up without a father. these two girls remember younger brother amadu. happened. >> [ foreign speaking ] at 6:30 a.m. after breakfast, gun fire, then grenades smashed through our fence shattered the bathroom door. amadu was sleeping. >> this is what is left of th

francis is, preach the gospel, and use words only if necessary.nd i like the idea that it's -- as a jesuit as well, you look to yourself, you have to improve yourself and then you go out so that it's not this hierarchical church in their gowns and princes of the church but the humility and simplicity. >> frank keating -- >> robert francis, of course. >> chris of course is pointing out my father was robert francis. chris makes the connections that nobody else even tries to go there. >> frank keating, we can also in a way, without being disrespectful at all, sort of look at the pope as politician in a way and the "national journal" this week had some advice, focus on messaging administration, take advantage of larger-than-life personality, use social media as he has, but use it wisely. no its limitations, but revamp the p.r. strategy. there are expecting of all of that that he has got to bring to bear to lead this church. >> happy st. pat's. >> thank you very much. i wore my green tie. >> i'm not irish. >> i agree with everybody here how exciting it

elaine pay goals and what is a richard fog peter fog for getting his first name he wrote the five gospels and then. for a long time have suggested actually particularly the three famous stories the turn the cheek take my cloak there was a third one of those were basically jesus was advised to his followers to force roman citizens to break roman law. you couldn't you could legally force a slave to carry something up to one mile but after one mile you had broken the law because that would incite rebellion and so he said if you must carry something for a mile carry it for to write this these recalls to revolution is that there are you suggesting that there is some truth to that a b that peter by to continue that tradition this certainly seems to have been a kind of revolutionary turn to jesus his methods but the thing. the christians were much stronger than that so when they entered roman courtrooms they would say things like well we can't respect your emperor we have our own emperor christ and we look forward to his impending rain when all of you will be judged and they'll be this new chris

this part of the gospel, some people don't know.involved with god's dream, he gets involved with my dream. when i get involved with something that's on god's mind he gets involved with what's on my mind. what i make happen for god's family, he makes happen for my family. you have every right to expect a supernatural reaction from god. you have every right to believe that what you make happen for others, god will make happen for your son, your daughter, your family, your marriage. in a single day, god can change your world. god can change your world. holy spirit, we have five minutes to this part. and i do not know who the 300 people are. all i know is there is 300 miracles waiting on the other side of this telephone call. i have shared with our family, inspiration ministries, i have shared with our family, the possibilities of a seed. i have told them what you did for me. how that i broke the back of poverty when i didn't... i couldn't even buy a kitchen table. you spoke to me about a harvest. father, let this harvest come swiftly.

the one gospel text that's least add verted to now and in the past is the chapter nine in the gospel of look. we came across a man casting out devils in your name, but he was not one of us. we made him stop. he said, why did you do that? they were doing it in my name. if they are for me, they can't be against me. well, the history of christianity has been a lot of jewish -- christians saying to other christians you can't use jesus' name, stop, it belongs to us. we own it. the great scandal of christianity is that christians have killedded christians in massive numbers. popes have burnt christian hair ticks, massacred heretics. they were christians doing it in jesus' name. queen mary i of england burnt 200 protestants because they were not catholic. queen elizabeth, who was a protestant, chopped up by the scores because they were not protestants. calvinists in new england hanged quakers. protestants in america burnt convents. these are jesus' people killing jesus' people. that is what has to stop. for me to say that i want to be part of the body of christ that i have always lived with

(hammond) in teaching a gospel choir, what i have to do is to listen to a tape, see if it's relevant our service, and be able to take the individual voice parts off that tape and teach it to our choir. here's the first. ♪ jesus is a rock in a weary land. ♪ sing that. in a rehearsal, i generally teach the melody first so everybody's aware. i go through the soprano part, and i teach them their part. and then i go to the altos and teach them their part. ♪ jesus is a rock in a weary land, ♪ sing that. (choir singing) ♪ jesus is a rock in a weary land, ♪ ♪ a shelter in the time of storm. ♪ you take one voice part, leave it alone, you take the next voice part, teach them their respective part, couple them together, and then put the third part together with it. that's called layering. that's an effective tool for teaching by rote. ♪ jesus is a rock in a weary land, ♪ ♪ a shelter in the time of storm. ♪ (hammond) after rehearsal, they take the words home with them. very often, they'll tape the rehearsal, and then they learn their parts at home. when they come to the next rehearsal, they're p

francis is preach the gospels. and use words only if necessary. and i like the idea that it's -- as a jesuit as well, you look to yourself, you have to improve yourself, then you go out so it's not this hire aerarchal ch and their gowns and princes of the church, but the humility and simplicity. >> robert francis, of course. >> chris, of course, is pointing out that my father was robert francis. chris, you know, makes the connections that nobody else even tries to go there. >> frank keating, we can also in a way without being disrespectful, is look at the pope as politician in a way. and the national journal this week had some advice focus on messaging administration, take advantage of larger than life personality. use social media, but use it wisely. revamp the pr. there's aspects of all of that that he has to bring to bear. >> happy st. pat's. >> thank you very much. >> you seem awfully nonirish. i want you to know. >> i agree with everybody here, how exciting it is to have, after 1200 years, somebody outside of europe, how exciting to have a je

this is a man whose life is rooted in the gospel. i met him in buenos aires a couple times and i couldn't believe the simplicity that he was living in. sold the house in the apartment, caring for an handicap jesuit at the time. he's a jesuit, too. which is another first. >> explain first what that means. what that means to you. >> the jesuits are one of the biggest and most important orders in the church, the society of jesus. they're known for great -- a whole host of saints in their community. known for their educational institutions. their mission. they're at the service of the pope. father lombardi told us, he never thought there would be a jesuit pope. and he's a jesuit too. i'm a product of jesuits. they formed me and taught me. i don't believe to that community, to another community, but this is a wonderful community to have their first pope. but a pope who then takes the name of francis. so there's -- it's a story of contrasts here. >> francis who talked about -- rebuilding the church. >> go and rebuild my church. so they too

this is central to the preaching of the gospel. >> reporter: fiedler entered religious life 50 years ago, just before vatican ii got underway. she says the spirit of the vatican meetings had a profound impact on how she viewed her calling. >> the second vatican council had a marvelous document called "the church in the modern world," which basically underlined the message of justice and peace in the gospel. >> reporter: fiedler became involved in a series of social justice causes, including a 37-day fast in support of the equal rights amendment and rallies in support of the ordination of female priests. >> it just all fit together as a piece for me, and it also fit together in my prayer as i tried to put this together with the second vatican council. it simply made sense to try to alleviate the suffering of the poor, to end wars, to overcome discrimination. that for me was christianity. >> reporter: but some critics say many catholic sisters have been using the second vatican council to justify positions and activities that are in conflict with official church teachings. colleen carr

he is quite radical in his sense of the way the gospel is a gospel message to the poor and the downtrodden. i think that will be -- social justice and the cause of the poor will certainly be a highlight of his papacy. >> what does this choice tell you about the general direction in which the catholic church is now expected to go under his papacy? >> i think, particularly, the child abuse scandal, but also the vatican scandal, have confronted the cardinal and catholics like myself with the fact that the church, during the 20th century, really became very worriedly -- worldly. that a large number of people who could find them each for themselves where they could really betray the art in the principles of the faith and what christianity very -- christianity at its best -- could really betray the principles of the faith and what christianity at its best stands for. i think the cardinals have decided a manager would be useful, somebody who can come in here and clean shop would be useful, but even more important is somebody who can present the basic message of christianity in its love and compas

the gospel standard is a high bar.on each of our lives. so for those who are called to the priesthood, there's a call to that celibacy. but there are certain things that are rules of discipline and certain things that are unchangeable truth. so whereas the church will not be ordain women, john paul ii made that clear, there can be and indeed there are some married priests, and they serve the church well. i think again the real sense here is to keep our eye on service and that is what pope francis is about. when he stood there in front of that crowd and asked them to pray, that is that attitude of humility and service that says it's not about my agenda, it's about god's agenda. what is god's plan here? i thought it was interesting yesterday's gospel was the gospel of john and it ended with jesus saying i have come not to do my will but the will of him who sent me. i think that's what the call is for each one of us. it's what is god asking of us? >> mary hasson and mary johnson, thank you both. coming up next, fast to do

already as pope, his understanding of the process of eadvantagization is we have to live will the gospelpell. it's simple. it's simple, it's very real, something you can't argue with. and i think that's a characteristic that he's shown just in less than a week of being pope. and i think it's something that as you said it's attractive to the people, but i also thinks it is kind of a shake up. even for me as a priest, kind of reflecting on the example of the spiritual father, it's forced me to reflect on how am i living my priesthood, have i fallen into a routine, do i need to rue knee the original spirit of christ and the spirit of the gospel. and i'm sure his co-workers in the vatican are thinking the same thing, wondering what the message is that god has for us through the testimony of this man through how he's begun his ministry and i think it's something also kind of captured our attention. we'll be watching closely to see the other manifestations of this spirit of simplicity and authenticity, living the gospel and showing what it means to love as christ loved even in simple ways. tha

>> also interesting to see what gospel. having read what that is, do we know what gospel they're swear tag oath on? >> it's the book of the new testament. which page they have it open to, i'm not entirely sure. >> what's on the left, chris, actually is a latin text of what they're supposed to read. the truth is not all 115 cardinals, a, will have this committed to memory or, b are fluent in laten. >>> these are words they need to say on the left? >> on the left, that's correct. >> right is the gospel. >> that's right. >> notice, of course, putting their hand on the right on the g gospel. >> cardinal mahoney? >> that's right. cardinal roger mahoney of los angeles. >> controversial figure, obviously. he's been very public since he's been here. he's been very charismatic since he's been here but controversial and decided to come vote, right? >> that's right. there were accusations early in cardinal mahoney's career he was involved in covering up accusations of child sexual abuse, accusations that the cardinal has acknowledged,

caused me to search diaper. >> that is it a different gospel. i am not picking anybody out . i often hear preaching that said you turn your life over to jesus, you will never be sick and you will be great and never a problem. that is not my brand. how dodo you convince people to jesus. >> jes jelse explains whatever you sacrifice here on the earth, you are going to be rewarded a hundred fold in this life and life to come. get them thinking, about exact words of scripture and staying look, we are supposed to be like jesus. jesus spent his life suffering and all for the future glory and joy. >> you did something that i mean, it just doesn't happen. you had a very emergingly successful dynamic congregation that grew and you had what most pastors pray for every night, big church and influential church and you walked away from it what happened and what made you say that is not what i want to be doing? >> first of all, that hard and i loved those people and i have been there 17 years and this my baby, and we started that church out of our house and saw great things happen. after a

heron, on line, reports that the men are accused of spreading the gospel. the coptic report says they are egyptians living in libya who were taken captive. the men reportedly have been tortured. the coptic archbishop responsible for libya said it doesn't make sense that so many coptic christians decided to provincia prosyltize in another country. syria's 2,000-year-old christian community is being devastated by the christian war. they interviewed over 100 christian syrians in lebanon. they say malitia are driving them out because of their christian faith. one woman says her son and husband were shot in the head just because they were christians. it is the second largest in the middle east after egypt. today whole villages disappear when islamic rebels arrive. a lebanese patriarch says it is, quote,"a great exitous taking place in silence." recently cbn middle east bureau chief chris mitchell spoke with lila about persecution about christians in syria and the middle east. >> what is your situation in syria right now, specifically for christians? >> it is ver

. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the gospel in greek today to symbolize he is the pope of both the east and the west fromtion jacob was the father of joseph and husband of mary of her was born jesus who was called christ. now this is how the birth of jesus christ came about when his mother mary was the trough of joseph but before they lived together she was found with child through the holy spirit. joseph her husband since he was a righteous man, yet unwilling to expose her to shame, decided to divorce her quietly. such was the intention when behold the angel of the lord appeared to him in a dream and said, joseph, son of david, do not be afraid to take mary your wife into your home, for it is through the holy spirit that this child has been conceived in her. she will bear a son and you are to name him jesus. because he will save his people from their sins. when joseph awoke he did as the angel of the lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home. (speaking foreign language) >> the homily will be coming next. we have word from the vatican that two of pope francis' siblings could not be there tod

. >> did the media just take the white house line as gospel, that all of these people were going to lose their jobs and economic doom was going to result? >> well, i think they took the gospel up to a point, and then it started, as it got closer to it, people realized some of the stuff they were saying wasn't adding up and they were making very specific claims, the president claimed about janitors not getting paid and turned out it wasn't true, but i agree with what howie was saying, there would be a real impact of this long-term if it is-- if they don't do something about it and that really hasn't been talked about. the cbo, lost jobs in a fragile economy. instead the white house is making up stories about janitors and canceling white house tours. >> jon: we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend, rich, and yet, they can't find a way to keep the white house open? >> it seems a classic instance of picking out the painful, high profile cut. there's a hierarchy how this coverage was. local tv, you put out a statement about one of the local talent-- >> it's going to be on the ten o

we can't preach the gospel if people see us as not addressing those problems.o one of the things he can do is follow the pattern of the u.s. bishops in terms of putting in safe environment programs and really trying to just change the church, removing anyone who is credibly accused with a crime, so i really think he needs to focus on this laser like in the first few months, if not days, of his papacy. so, i'm hoping that he really focuses on that really important issue. >> father james martin. many thanks. >> my pleasure. >>> one of the many challenges facing the new pope is the need to reach new members and to bring catholics who have left back to the church. pope francis takes over at a time when, here in the united states, the number of americans who say they have no religious affiliation has grown dramatically -- now nearly 20% of the adult population. recently we ran a miniseries on this group, people we've been calling the nones, n-o-n-e-s, since they answer essentiay "none of the above" when asked about their religious affiliation. today, we revisit debo

he was there with people trying to preach the gospel, live the gospel.hat is going to be what we see in the life of pope francis. >> bret: thanks. cardinal wuerl, thank you for joining us and we look forward to having you back in studio when you're back in washington, d.c. >> looking forward to seeing you and thank you for the opportunity to share the thoughts with you. god bless you. >> bret: thank you, cardinal. next up, more from the panel about the new pope. when we come back. then in a little bit, the washington, d.c.s, all-stars join us. what's droid-smart ? with google now, it automatically knows when you need to leave for the airport, how much traffic there is, and has your boarding pass ready. the droid razr maxx hd by motorola. droid-smart. droid-powerful. the longest 4g lte battery in a razr thin profile. with 32 hours of battery life that turns an all-nighter, into a two-nighter. the droid razr maxx hd by motorola. droid-endurance. droid-powerful. >> bret: back with a special panel. steven white, fellow with the catholic studies program of th

we have to break out of our rigid political loyalty to be able to be loyal to the gospel.t's very hard. it's challenging. >> and the hierarchy nature of the church lends itself to political analysis like other hierarcal institutions. also the spiritual hierarchy. and in that context, you and so many other women of the church who have spoken out on issues, and that's been the organizing principle about your work about the ryan budget and everything. you've ended up having quite a bit of conflict with the male church hierarchy over some of your stands in the way you have articulated them. do you now foresee that getting better? could it get worse? >> i guess it could get worse. but the thing that i've seen, rachel, is that the fact that we got criticized by the vatican, gave us the notoriety that gave birth to nones on the bus. so i say that the holy spirit from my perspective, the holy spirit is alive and well and making mischief. so even though painful things happen to us when the criticism from the vatican, the spirit took it and generated a hope and an engagement for peo

so i take the gospels seriously.hink most of the clergy and the faith, people involved in the faith, do that, and i think that that's what we're required to do, to have an honest and free life and to become ourselves, really. >> let's take a short break. when we come back, we'll talk about free the children which craig, it's all down to you. i want to talk about where america is right now. lot of people suffering in this country. also, about guns. it is a big day up on the capitol about guns. i will get you to weigh in about that. stamps.com is the best. i don't have to leave my desk and get up and go to the post office anymore. [ male announcer ] with stamps.com you can print real u.s. postage for all your letters and packages. i have exactly the amount of postage i need, the instant i need it. can you print only stamps? no... first class. priority mail. certified. international. and the mail man picks it up. i don't leave the shop anymore. [ male announcer ] get a 4 week trial plus $100 in extras including postage

the gospel reading this morning from the gospel of john, jesus says to the disciples, it was not youit reminds the cardinals that they need to be listening to what the lord's intentions are. >> what about the people's intention? the flock? because at the end of the day, this is really service to those people. and i think that maybe is part of the problem in the secrecy, that at the end of the day, who you serve doesn't necessarily have a voice here. >> well, i think, i hope that what happened last week in all of the general congregations was an opportunity for the cardinals to reflect on what they're hearing. they're bringing word back from their diocese where they serve around the world. the ones who work in the roman curiae certainly aware of what's going on in different parts of the world. we would hope as members of the faithful, spread throughout the world, that the cardinals are considering and taking into account what the faithful are saying. what the needs of the church really are. >> monsignor rick hilgartner, extraordinary process. thank you for helping to guide us through.

i think this gets to the heart of the gospel which is good news for the poor and i think sometimes in america and in western europe we're simply too affluent to hear it anymore in the way it was intend tpwhud africa, latin america there are desperately poor people for them it is still good news. >> ifill: but he has no roman experience. that is work inside the vatican. he didn't come from that experience. does that put him in a disadvantage at all? >> this is the danger is obviously he -- although he's been on several congregations as a cardinal so he might know his way around he's never worked in rome and the danger is that the old guard will say, you know, we're not going to tell you where the bathroom is unless you do what we want. so we'll see. but he's a very strong leader in buenos aires, has a reputation as a decisive man and i suspect has a mandate from the cardinals to clean up some of the messes that are there. >> pelley: one of the things he said when he came out in the square today was -- or on the balcony was that he would be the new bishop of rome. he specifically talked

so i take the gospels seriously. think most of the clergy and the faith, people involved in the faith, do that, and i think that that's what we're required to do, to have an honest and free life and to become ourselves, really. >> let's take a short break. when we come back, we'll talk about free the children which craig, it's all down to you. i want to talk about where america is right now. lot of people suffering in this country. also, about guns. it is a big day up on the capitol about guns. i will get you to weigh in about that. zap technology. arrival. with hertz gold plus rewards, you skip the counters, the lines, and the paperwork. zap. it's our fastest and easiest way to get you into your car. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. (music throughout) why turbo? trust us. it's just better to be in front. the sonata turbo. from hyundai. today is gonna be an important day for us. you ready? we wanna be our brother's keeper. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. ho

there is a following of a reading from the gospel. so much is happening behind the scenes. we have passed the 30-minute park and perhaps in the next five minutes or so we will hear from the name and the new pope will arrive behind the scarlett curtain. >> the new pope was announced about 45 minutes an then he came out on the balcony. the band from the vatican and the band from the city of rome representing civic authorities. with the red capes and feathered hats. saluting each other. greeting each other. that is part of the tradition when the pope gives his blessing to the city and borld. i want to go back to earlier comments. the reason the church has such clear teachings own morals and human sexuality, that flowes from the belief in jesus christ and fidelity to his teachings. i think we need to be careful about picking and choosing which current issues we think the next pope might change. there is a beautiful unity. so many, even catholics, don't understand the true beauty of these teachings. we definitely need to do a better job of communicating those things. >> how do y

so i take the gospels seriously. i think most of the clergy and the faith, people involved in the faith, do that, and i think that that's what we're required to do, to have an honest and free life and to become ourselves, really. >> let's take a short break. when we come back, we'll talk about free the children which craig, it's all down to you. i want to talk about where america is right now. lot of people suffering in this country. also, about guns. it is a big day up on the capitol about guns. i will get you to weigh in about that. ♪ ♪ twith blackberry hub10 and flick typing. built to keep you moving. see it in action at blackberry.com/z10. i honestly loved smoking, and i honestly didn't think i would ever quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. it put me at ease that you could smoke on the first week. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suic

. >> you take the gospel literally?> yes. >> but aren't there parables, aren't some of those stories just parables to help the story along? >> the bean ball -- if i use something as a story, for instance there's an illustration, but if i present an hesk occurrence, if the bible uses an illustration, it will tell you that? >> christian faith or the way i understood early as christian faith does not depend on a literal body coming out of the tomb. >> john dominic lawson does not tyke the bible literally and he never separates the historical jesus but a -- >> you would not have seen anything. >> but if jesus did not resurrect, the body is not resurrected, then what would have happened. >> what i'm saying is there is no christianity without the resurrection, but what i'm saying if the resurrection demands the lilt central both coming out of the tomb. i would like to see pilot's face if he saw gee suts. and jesus actually seems to be anywhere he wants to be. i consider those to be metaphors and parables for the presence of j

the gospel read by a deacon will be in greek. and the pope's homily will be in italian. now, we will have an english translation of the homily which is in italian so you'll be able to understand it if you don't happen to speak italian. however, the latin and greek versions of this mass, we do not have translation, but we will allow it to play. let's listen in. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking in latin ] ♪ [ speaking latin ] [ speaking latin ] ♪ ♪ amen amen amen ♪ [ speaking latin ] [ speaking latin ] ♪ ♪ >> the presentation of the fisherman's ring delivered to pope francis. father tom brosnan, again explain to us the presentation of the fisherman's ring. >> it's a sign of his office as universal pastor. it's also worn by all of the metropolitan archbishops throughout the world and the patriarchs of the eastern churches in union with him. the fisherman's ring, of course, is named after st. peter, the first pope the bishop of rome. and as cardinal sadano had just presented that ring, he reminded us that st. paul as well teaches us that we have many ministries and c

on right is the gospel.veryone one by one come up and place their hands and swear to keep this oath? >> i believe they do this every day at the beginning of the conclave so that they don't do it every vote but they make promises at the beginning of every day that are along these lines, that their vote is cast with a clear conscience. that they are voting for the person that they think is the best. they're not just swearing on the gospels but facing michelangelo's beautiful painting, the last judgment. if you want to know what is going through the cardinals mind as they undertake this weighty decision you cast your eyes up on the big wall and see jesus christ at the last judgment sorting the sheep from the goats. a bracing reminder to the cardinals of what their responsibilities are. cardinals of what their responsibilities are. rick: it is something to watch these pictures, isn't it? and to know what these men are about to do and the seriousness with which they take this role as cardinals. again, we talked a

this is about listening to the lower and spreading the gospel. this is a very spiritual event and whatever happens is god's will. they spend a lot of time in prayer and making sure their over riding concern the word of the lord be spread properly through out the church as they have tried to do for so many centuries. it is interesting fascinating sometimes humbling to be involved in something that has been around wronger than we c-- than we can image. >> nice to see you. >> great to see you guys early in the morning. >> absolutely. >>> it is a budget battle on capitol hill between democrats and republicans. president obama jnow joining in the war. but is it really outreach? >>> oo from the white house to capitol hill that will be the well born path for the president this week as he tries to reach some kind af budget deal with congress. we saw the motorcade roll up to the capital yesterday as the president met with democrats. he will be back there today to meet with republicans. he hasn't made office but his numbers are slimming. when it comes to t

each cardinal placed has handon the gospel to pledge vow of secrecy.hen it was time for everyone else to get out. with that the master of ceremonies said, latin for, everybody out, leaving just the cardinals some assistants behind as the heavy wooden doors shut. >> shepard: we'll not see the inside of the chapel until the white smoke pours into the sky. amy kellogg is live. reporter: shep, we had that gray smoke, and i think the scenes outside of st. peters basilica with crowds in the rain, in the cold, waiting, eyes fixed on the screens that had the sistine chapel chimney upon it, waiting to see if there by gray smoke or white smoke or no smoke. we figured we'd see gray smoke tonight after a day of incredible pageantry with the cardinals first having a mass for the election of the pontiff in st. peter's basilica this morning, and then the beautiful scenes of them making their way to the sistine chapel where they will continue to cast votes until a pope is chosen. the speculation continues with italian newspapers and the bookies still putting angelo sc