guest: my dear leg colleague gottfried sperling started this -- late colleague gottfried sperling started it was 12 reporters, all white men, sitting around a table having a conversation with a congressman from illinois. host: one more question for you. we will go to arlene in new smyrna beach, florida on the independent line. caller: good morning. hopefully, things will come back together like the united states of america was several years ago. due to the lack of moral values we are having a problem with, a lot of this -- if anyone listening would look up huhac, harry truman started this. it is the house of something of human activities. just look up huac. it was a court. they would put people in court when they found out people were with the communist party. if you open your eyes to communism and marxism, you will see this. my grandparents, got bless their souls, they would roll -- god bless their souls, they would roll over in their grave if they saw a man and a man or a woman and a woman in a marriage today. host: which do you think will come out first? guest: probably the hunter bide