gottlieb is going to be just as tenacious in terms of finding any assets mr.ani, and remember, even if he goes into bankruptcy, this kind of judgment is not wiped out by bankruptcy. so, they are entitled to continue looking into take depositions and discovery. it's important to remember, one of the reasons that rudy giuliani is in the position he was in, is because he was in contempt over and over again when beryl howell, the judge on the case, ordered to discovery to be mutual. he did not participate. he didn't say where's assets were. he didn't say anything about that. if he continues to do that, the one thing that the judge has not yet done, but can do, is put him in jail. there are still remedies for the judge to make sure that every asset he has is disclosed, and if not, to take action. >> i mean, michael gottlieb, i've got a long time. very tenacious. i wouldn't put to face any of you in a court. i'm not gonna put myself in a position. neil, one of the questions and wondering, there was a sterling numbers in terms of the amount of money that giuliani had

join me now is the attorney for shea moss and ruby freeman, michael gottlieb. of all, congratulations, i'm sure i was not the only one who was screaming excitement when this came down, given everything these women have been through. and i just wanted to start by playing one of the moments that really struck me, because it was such a reminder from ruby freeman, when she -- . it's a reminder of the damage that has already been done, so let's take a listen to that. >> i want people to understand this. money will never solve all my problems. i can never move back into the house that i called home, i will always have to be careful about where i go, and who i choose to share my name with. i miss my home, i miss my neighbors, and i miss my name. >> i mean, listening to that, it's just so important to remember, as you've experienced working with them, that their lives have already been irreversibly impacted. so, did friday's judgment bring them some peace, and any sense of justice, even with what we just heard ruby say? >> yeah, and thanks for having me on jen. it did,

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scott gottlieb. dr. gottlieb, thanks for coming back. what should we be bracing for this season?looking at a more typical wint are path again season than what we've seen in past years. that's now abating and we're seeing it spread to the northeast right now and other parts of the country. that's an infection that affects little children, particularly hard and older adults. there's some treatments available and ways to protect infants for people to take advantage of. flu has started later than it did last year and predominantly flu a, the vaccine does seem to cover it well, and the rates have been about 38% of adults and children vaccinated for flu. no reason to believe we're going to have a worse flu season than in past years and probably hopefully less than what we saw last year when we saw a dense and early epidemic of flu. with covid cases right now are less than what they were last year at this point of time, we're averaging about 600,000 cases day based on some modeling work that has been done off of waste water and the strain that's increasing in prevalence is the ba.2.86 s

scott gottlieb, former fda commissioner and cnbc i commissioner.ou got to hear her remarks. what would your response be? >> i think it's a productive move on the part of cvs. it reflects less of the fact that the margin is going to be driven out they contract with drug companies through their pbm and rebates that get paid and more maybe through the pharmacy channels. so by changing how they pay the pharmacies right now, it's a move away from focus on trying to make money from the spread on drugs, rationalizing that, making it more transparent, and then charging a price that's tied to what the drugs actually cost. i think this is going to provide some advantage to the pharmacy and will give consumers more predictable experience at the pharmacy counter, they'll know what the drugs cost rather than being opaque, which is it off today. >> this feels like a very big moment. it's the end of an era in some ways of this whole model of integrating the pharmacy benefit managers into the pharmacy experience. i think originally, it was supposed to both lower c

scott gottlieb is back to talk about the spike in respiratory illnesses among children. >>> we say goodbyethree remarkable public servants. in washington breathes a sigh of relief at the departure of one who's was anything but distinguished. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >>> good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we have a lot to get to today, but we begin with our chris lipsay reporting from jerusalem. >> reporter: with a cease-fire in shambles, israeli defense forces are once again pushing to annihilate hamas. pushing south, warning residents to flee the city of khan yunis, a suspected hamas command center but also home. i will never see my friends again, she says. i can only play with sand instead of toys. it's hard for us to get food and water here and a lot of my friends are dead. at the hospital, women and children scrambling for treatment and shelter. israel has sworn to minimize the loss of civilian life, even to persist with negotiations, but under fire. we will continue the war until we achieve all its goals, vows prime minister netanyahu. that's impossible wit

this is one thing that gottlieb said to the jury in his closing argument. he thought they were ordinary and expendable. he didn't see them as human beings. it's dangerous for them to be ruby freeman or shaye moss because of giuliani and his coconspirators. and anderson, i should add those co-conspirators in this case are the trump campaign, trump lawyers and donald trump himself. >> so giuliani chose not to testify today, which is probably the only smart move he's made in several years. but ruby freeman and shaye moss did testify earlier in the trial. can you remind people what they said? because, again, these were volunteers. >> they were. well, ruby freeman was a volunteer, and shaye moss was a paid georgia election worker who took quite a lot of pride in doing that job. and that's what she told the jury. but they both took the stand over the course of this week as the jury listened to them. and not only did they speak what they did after the 2020 election and how their names have been ruined, how they fear for their lives, how they are afraid to introduc

michael gottlieb is one of the attorneys representing them. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me on, rachel. >> what would this new lawsuit do that the first one didn't? >> so, the first suit was a suit for both damages and some other forms of relief like declaratory relief. this is a suit in which we are seeking a permanent injunction to prevent mr. giuliani from saying the same false statements about our clients that he has been making since december of 2020 and which he had a full opportunity to prove to be true if he chose so. he opted out. he defaulted and so after a finding by a jury awarding him damages we don't believe he should be able to continue telling the same lies out on the street that he has been unable to defend and prove in court. >> the massive damages that your clients obtained was not enough to stop him. how would a permanent injunction have more teeth in it than the huge financial penalty he's facing? >> well, it subjects him to the supervision of a federal court. if we are successful in obtaining the injunction

gottlieb, one of the eternities for freeman and moss. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you for havinghis lawsuit do that the first one didn't. >> the first one was a suit for damages and other forms of relief, declaratory refute. this is a suit where we are seeking a permanent injunction to prevent giuliani from saying the same false statements about our clients, that he has been making since december of 2020, and which beautiful opportunity to prove to be true. if he had chosen to do so and discovery in this case. he opted out. he defaulted, after finding by a jury awarding him damages, we don't believe he should be able to continue telling the same lies out on the streets that have been unable to defend and prove in court. >> the massive damages award that your clients obtained against him was apparently not enough to stop him from making these ongoing claims. how would a permanent injunction have more teeth in it, then the huge financial penalty that he is facing? >> it's subject them to the supervision of the federal coat, if we are successful in obtaining an injunction, i'm quite

michael gottlieb it's one of the lawyers representing shaye moss and ruby freeman, and he joins me now. michael, wa reading one of losi statements before that jury, where you said you wanted them to sendsage. send it to giuliani, send it to any other powerful figure the platform and an audience who is considering whether they will take the chance to seek profit and fame by assassinating the moral character of ordinary people. what message got sent today? >> i think that is the message that got sent. i think the message that got sent is if you try to do this, there are people that will stand up, there are good, decent people, who will help them. they will fight back, and if those facts are presented to a court of law, a jury is going to act. and it is just a great, great day for accountability and democracy, chris. it's a great day. >> how do -- i got to hear it at length, i shaye moss, your clients speaking afterwards. obviously, it's wrenching to hear about the ordeal they went through. how are they feeling today? >> i think they feel, they feel vindicated. they feel heard. they reall

obviously we saw michael gottlieb, they're lawyer, ask for a specific amount. what does the jury weigh? >> it's not easy, because normally they would weigh something. would have had giuliani coming in with information about his, say, net worth. decide whether to punish him but stonewalled that all the way through. some points he made. they have something to go on. an expert who came forward and said here's what it will cost to sort of compensate them for the misery that giuliani has occasioned and saw their own testimony, but it's fairly loose. maybe giuliani hopes that it will be loose enough it will be revisited on appeal, if it's too high. again, if that's your hope, you're in a very sad situation. they have a little bit to go on in terms of expert testimony, testimony from the plaintiffs and basically nothing from giuliani. they pointed to, all they pointed to, his lawyer in closing statements by the plaintiffs. literally all he could point to. >> interesting to see where they kind of limit. i wanted to -- michael gottlieb is a powerful, had a powerful endi

the question was always >> defending covlin is robert gottlieb. >> no one will ever know the truth. >le. there is no evidence whatsoever proving that mr. covlin had anything to do with his wife's death. >> this is very much a circumstantial case. seven weeks of testimony, much of which had little to do with what actually happened that night. >> this is one of the main reasons he murdered his wife -- the money. she was going to change her will. >> in lieu of any hard physical evidence, bogdanos tries to paint a character profile of rod covlin, one of an obsessive, dangerous man. to do that, he calls to the stand women who covlin had courted online. one is patricia swensen. >> the defendant kept asking me out on dates and asking me to travel around the country with him. >> the jury hears about one of those dates. >> go ahead and hit play. >> a weekend in gettysburg and they see a video covlin shot on that trip. >> oh, i'm getting you. i so have you. it's video. it's video. i've got some video going. i have the good scenery. don't worry. >> covlin may sound lighthearted in the video, but

michael gottlieb the lawyer for these two women said to the jury that rudy giuliani thought they wereinary and expendable. he didn't see them as human beings. it's dangerous for them to be ruby freeman or shaye moss because of giuliani and his co-conspirators, people like donald trump and the trump campaign. that is what the jury is sitting with now and rudy giuliani on his side had very little of a case to present so now we just wait for a verdict. sara? >> it is a remarkable case and these two women have gone through hell. the question will be in the end can rudy giuliani actually afford to pay them because he's having major problems with his own finances. katelyn polantz, thank you so much. we will wait for that verdict, i'm sure you will bring it to us when we get it. >> joining us with while we wait for that final stay for the jury is elie honig for more on this. you have long said it was going to be a bad idea for rudy giuliani to testify if he was going to in this. but saying that you're going to testify and then at the last minute change the plan and not, does that also hurt h

plaintiffs attorney michael gottlieb disputed that in his rebuttal argument the. final words jurors heard before receiving instructions from how long try how to render a verdict, the react to julian's words from trump's supporters was foreseeable. it was inevitable. this is to your point earlier, that whether rudy giuliani said he manage or not or he didn't expect the racist reaction whitaker's result, certainly should have known that. >> yeah. he absolutely should have. that was the entire pattern of the trump presidency. these appeals to racism. we were passed dog whistling at this point. when giuliani compared to what they were doing to people who were dealing drugs there was no doubt in anyone's mind what he was saying about these women or what kind of punishment he was trying to calm down upon them. so i think this jury is entitled to draw that inference, that there was reasonable foreseeability and that that amps up the amount of damages that giuliani should be liable here. that will rest, i think, in the sound judgment of this jury, and they have done a lot

. >>> later this morning, guti scott gottlieb will join us to talk about gene editing and more. "squawk box" will be right back. >>> ark house management is offering to buy macy's for $5.8 billion. the stock is up 19.6%. joining us is dana telsey. dana, does this make sense to take it private? >> an offer does make sense. who is the right buyer? we have seen what has happened with real estate or splitting off ecommerce. what is inherent about macy's, they are close to the customer. they pruned the doors over the years. who wants to be close to the customer? it has to be a strategic that makes sense. >> if you were to take this company private, are you doing it because you want to do things that you couldn't do as a public company? invest more and getting close to the customer? are you doing this because you want to harvest and this is a cash flow company and take and harvest things and pay as little as you can to keep the stores open and milk it for all its worth? >> look what they're doing with investing in private brands. look at the small format strategy. look at digitalizati

scott gottlieb put it on twitter yesterday saying he thinks it's in spaces there are natural barriersng complexity. may not be coincidence. we'll see a bid put under these platforms as patents are eroded by policy mistakes. do you see that continuing to be a key driver of ma? m & a? if not what will be a catalyst for dealmaking? >> a great question. sort of this diabetes and obesity space asked all the time why are nova and lilly so far ahead? due to factors underinvested in the space. obesity a graveyard for development for a number of years and now lilly and novo in front. such a big market a company really can't be out of it completely. seeing companies like roche and astrazeneca weigh in. >> baffling, though. look at the obesity crisis in the united states alone, the fact that anybody could think that that should be a graveyard in terms of pharmaceutical development is jaw-dropping. then, meantime, i know you're looking to see more data on, then how these drugs, have an influence on sleep apnea or liver fibrosis or chronic kidney disease. in other words, if you're solving an obesi