gottlieb, you've given a very thorough answer here, but i think you've kind of made my point.t what you just described there. i can't quickly do the math on that. david fields, i'd like you to react to what scott said. it seems to me that whether or not the pbms have the -- one of which you run -- have the salutary effect of extracting a bigger discount from a drug maker, what is the incentive for the drug maker not to raise the price higher and higher and then give yet another bigger discount back to the pbm? in other words, if i'm a pbm and there's a -- and dr. gottlieb's case, there's a thousand dollar drug, and i'm getting a $500 rebate, why not price the drug at $2,000 and give a thousand dollar rebate back to the pbm? >> well, tyler and kelly, thank you for having me on today. dr. gottlieb makes a lot of really great points in his commentary, and in fact, the traditional pbms do drive up the cost of medications. they have no incentive to deliver the lowest cost to their customers, and in fact, the more rebates they can generate, the more that they can keep a percentage o

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scott gottlieb who is a board member of illumina and pfizer.>> it is something getting attention. do you think it is effective or get passed? >> i don't think it will pass. there is a high bar to compel speech and force companies to engage in speech. typically, there was a risk of the public health harm. i don't know this meets that threshold. we all know social media is harming youth, but the harm is not so direct and the scientific evidence, right now, doesn't meet the threshold as alcohol and tobacco. >> really? >> i don't think it is diffused. they don't have the body of evidence to support this. he is dlauirawing a lot of atten to this. it is clearly a lot of a problem and literature of overuse of social media and mental health harms to children. >> raising awareness and getting this talked about. joe and i talked about how social media has been around for 20 years. literally 20 years and congress cannot agree anything to protect children in any way, shape or form. it is a bizarre set of circumstances. >> this is where he can provide leade

. >> despite her denials, gottlieb said deborah was crushed when their relationship ended. >> is it fairt him. i was mad at him for a lot of reasons. >> and is it fair to say you have a history and admitted to being a habitual liar? >> that is disgusting and false. that is not true. >> the defense conceited rod wasn't always a stand up guy, but he said that didn't make him a murderer. >> you may despise him. you may not even be able to look at him. you may want to convict him to convict somebody of murder. there has got to be proof. >> there was none. zero evidence. no signs of a struggle. he said rod couldn't have slipped into her apartment and killed her like they argumented because there was no evidence he had a key. remember, rod said little anna let him in that morning. >> there has been no evidence he was ever in the apartment on december 30 or december 31 before 7:00 a.m. >> no evidence either they said about what had caused her injuries. >> they used back hose to exhume. they used shovels to get to the coffin. >> carol said there was nothing she heard in court to convince her she