celine gounder and dr. jha. >>> dr. gounder, i want to start with you.iously, there is a need out there. obviously the governors feel like they're not getting the support they want. these ventilators need to be in place. what is the impact if they are not? >> well, this is something that's really critical to understand. if a patient needs to be put on a ventilator, you don't have days, you don't have hours. you have minutes to get them on that ventilator. this idea that we need to wait and pull back ventilators for a surge. if you have a surge of patients coming, you need them in the hospitals ready for those patients. there's really no other way around it. otherwise, patients will be dying because they don't have access to that life-saving treatment. >> dr. jha, at the same time, we hear that we're not near the peak yet. the peak, if you follow the models in the last segment is somewhere like two weeks from now. so if there's still 10,000 ventilators in the national stockpile, should they dole them out more slowly? >> so, first of all, the peak is going

gounder and dr. mark supino are with us. talk to us about that, dr. gounder. we know the vaccine was probably 12 to 18 months away. but the first trials started i think march 16th. a couple of weeks ago. that's promising. how much stock do you put into that? >> the trial of moderna started to roll out in seattle. it's been a couple weeks into that 18-month period. this is just a phase one trial where we're looking to see, is this vaccine safe. you don't want something that will harm people. that's the first step. then phase 2 trial will be the next step where you look at, is it also looking at safety out comes but is this something that is stimulating the immune system in the way that we'd like. phase 3, which is the step that takes the longest and has the most number of patients will look to see is the vaccine protecting those who receive it versus those who don't. that all takes time. part of the time that's involved is for people in the phase 3 to actually be exposed to the virus and to see if the vaccine works. >> dr. supion, infuriating news about ventila

gounder? >> because of flaws. we're very careful when we publish studies that we're calculating appropriate sample siz sizes, controlling for other factors. it had a lot of flaws and was not an appropriately controlled study. some of the conclusions being drawn from this were really quite false. >> dr. gounder, dr. carr, thanks so much for being with us this morning. wish you the best of luck, both of you in the come canning days and weeks ahead. >>> we had a little discussion about this. what needs to happen before the united states can reopen? the milestones that researchers say the u.s. needs to reach, next. the ups and downs of frequent mood swings can plunge you into deep, depressive lows. or, give you unusually high energy, even when depressed. overwhelmed by bipolar depression? ask about vraylar. some medications only treat the lows or the highs. vraylar effectively treats depressive, acute manic and mixed episodes of bipolar i. full-spectrum relief of all symptoms, with just one pill, once a day. elderly p

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gounder, let's talk about the science of all of this.hers in new york, they're going to release preliminary results from hydroxychloroquine study next week. you say you find the study uncomfortable. why do you find it uncomfortable? >> well, i find it uncomfortable that we are, in fact, many medical centers using hydroxychloroquine and zit throw my a sin as this then this and the reason it's uncomfortable, except for patients in the icu where we have them on continuous monitors, for the most part most patients are not on cardiac monitors. we are trying to minimize the number of times we go into a patient's room to see them, to examine them, in part to conserve personal protective equipment and to reduce staff exposure. that means things that we would do like checking an ekg every day, we're not able to do. these kinds of cardiac arrhythmias can be missed right now. it's uncomfortable to me that this is being incorporated into standard practice when we don't have the data. >> dr. gaunder, i want to talk to you about disturbing photos. the

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celine gounder. thank you, dr. gounder, for joining us. so over 2,100 coronavirus deaths reported in the u.s., just today. that's, unfortunately, a new high for the country. president may be talking about reopening. but we are clearly still right in the middle of a very tenuous situation. >> well, i think that's right, don. i think we were very slow to implement simple distancing measures, in part, because there was a lot of concern about what kind of damage it would do to the economy. and now, we're rushing to lift those very same measures because of those same concerns about the economy. and it's sort of surprising to me that we still haven't learned the lesson, which is that if we want to limit the damage to the economy, we have to be very aggressive about social distancing and do it countrywide, nationwide, aggressively to really suppress transmission. and the more aggressively we do that, the shorter duration of that social distancing and the quicker we can get back to business as usual. but somehow that hasn't been fully learned. and

gounder, as you know, there's a debate. i guess -- i think in the white house task force about the use and efficacy of the hydroxychloroqui hydroxychloroquine. dr. fauci had been pumping the brakes and reminding everybody that it is not approved for use with coronavirus. the president is very bullish about it. he, i think, wants it to work for coronavirus and i think that anecdotally there are scattered cases that sound promising. where does that leave americans who are listening to this and these briefings. should they rush out and try to get some? >> alisyn, wanting something to work does not make it so. i think we all want to see something that will work for this. but hydroxychloroquine is a medication that has very serious side effects including cardiac arrhythmias, which means an abnormal heart rhythm which can be fatal. the people at risk for the most severe cases of covid-19 are precisely the most at risk for the cardiac arrhythmias. in other words, people with underlying heart and lung conditions. so that's very con

gounder, antibody tests, a big topic, we get a lot of questions at cnn. how soon -- these are basically tests to see if your body has been exposed to the coronavirus already, and already developed a defense against it, in effect, how soon will this country have them on a broad scale because we don't have a great track record on broad scale testing on this, and if you then have the antibodies, does that mean you're safe? >> so the first part of the question, there is a number of these tests, commercial tests that have been notified to the federal -- the food and drug administration, fda has said commercial labs can move forward with these, we don't have a lot of data on how well they work, so i wouldn't want them to be giving people a sense of false security. academic, medical centers can also develop their own in house versions, but what we really need to do is study these tests to make sure if you are antibody positive, that actually means you're protected, and we don't have a definitive answer to that yet. >> dr. celine gounder, thank you very, very muc

gounder, dr. fauci told my colleague jake tapper that starting mitigation efforts sooner could have saved lives. it is a sobering admission given what we're learning in "the new york times" about how much was known early on by the trump administration. >> don, i think february 2020 is really going to be seared in americans' memory as a month where we really dropped the ball, where we could have saved thousands of american lives and didn't, because we were dragging our feet, weighing political and economic priorities versus the public health. i'm very concerned that the exact same debate is happening right now over how soon to reopen the country. i just heard the president basically mention medical experts as an afterthought, after what he clearly prioritizes in the equation, which is the political and the business desire to reopen the country. and the thing is, these things don't have to be at odds with one another. had we really clamped down with mitigation strategies early and firmly and quickly

celine gounder, she's also the host of epidemic podcast. thank you, dr. gounder. i appreciate it. just real quick before we get to this and we talk about the town hall, you just sent me a note when i was talking to branford marsalis about people not being able to say good-bye to loved ones, and it brought you back to the aids epidemic, right? >> that was such a definiing thing about that, right? you had gay partners who could not come and spend their last moments with their loved ones at their bedside. i had tears coming to my eyes remembering some of the patients i took care of, and you know, i sat by as two patients of mine had a wedding in the hospital as one of them was passing away. it just brings all of that back. >> thank you for that. dr. anthony fauci answered a question from a trauma surgeon on cnn's town hall tonight. take a listen to this. >> we've been put at an increased risk due to lack of ppe and reusing ppe. numerous patterns and suggestions have been circulating the internet as to how to make homemade versions of masks and gowns. what are your thoughts about fron

gounder? >> i think sadly they will.t's really a concern, not just for people in georgia, but for the rest of the country. you know, for those of us, for example, here in new york city who have done really hard work of social distancing and we're still doing it to be facing with the -- to be faced with the prospect of having reintroductions of cases from elsewhere in addition to, you know, transmission here, that is really concerning. and, you know, we know that this is a virus that spreads very quickly across borders. so this has me profoundly worried. >> yeah. dr. sepkowitz, "the new york times" showed the places where the outbreak is the worst now. okay? look at this. when you look at cases per capita, the top four are marion, ohio. the outbreak at a prison there. grand island, nebraska. a lot of cases tied to a meatpacking plant. pine bluff, arkansas. there is a state prison near there. gallup, new mexico, which is right by the hard-hit navajo nation. and then after that comes new york city, which of course has the m

gounder, folks at home must be getting confused here, right? if you could begin to relax social distancing at some point, but you need to have testing and contact tracing to do so, and this country has shown no national ability or capacity to do that, how do you then relax the social distancing if one is dependent on the other? >> that's precisely why we're really concerned because even if we can get the number of cases the transmission suppressed right now with social distancing, we need to be preparing for the next phase of this, which is a more targeted approach. we haven't really done the necessary things to get ourselves there. so that's very concerning because then what you can in fact see is another spike in cases and then, you know, again, the same political battles about whether to reinstitute social distancing. so the best thing would be to be prepared with the testing and the contact tracing come, you know, end of may. >> yeah. jim, i'm so glad you asked that, because i know we got to go, but dr. redfield just said that, a few days a

gounder, one that maybe went missed by others because it came later on friday, the w.h.o., the world health organization saying there was no evidence that people that have had covid-19 will not get a second infection. jake tapper asked dr. birx about that yesterday morning. here is her response. >> w.h.o. is being very cautious. i think who was saying, we don't know how long that effective antibody lasts, and i think that is a question that we have to explore over the next few months, and over the next few years. >> so given those two things, how should people take this warning from the w.h.o.? people who may have suffered from this disease, think they're immune essentially and maybe they're not. >> right, poppy. we have no guarantees right now that just because you had covid that you're now immune to reinfection to getting the disease again. first of all, we don't know if antibodies actually indicate immunity. there are different arms of the immune system so we're not sure that that's the key arm here. secondly, with other coronavi s coronaviruses we have some knowledge that probabl

celine gounder is back with us, our medical analyst and clinical physician. this can be spread through breathing and that even particles can remain in the air and you can walk by them and you're susceptible. >> so, you may have heard, poppy, the cdc is considering whether to recommend that all americans, the general public, wear some sort of nose and mouth covering while outside. and the idea here, and just to be very clear, the idea is not that you would be protecting yourself, it is that you may be one of those people who has the virus, who doesn't have symptoms, or has very mild symptoms and you don't know that you're spreading to others. so the idea here is that if you wear a bandanna or scarf over your nose and mouth, you're preventing spread to others and that's really essential now because the asymptomatic, mildly symptomatic group seems to be a big proportion of what is driving this spread here. >> that's important you mentioned a cloth mask or bandanna, right? it sounds like that's what they're talking about, a shortage of the n-95 masks. i want to a

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gounder, that takes you into the year 2021. that, for folks watching at home, really the moment when things go back close to normal, right, when you have a vaccine, protection like that? >> yeah, i do think a vaccine is really what is going to allow us to go to approximately life as before. but one thing that has me very concerned is already you're starting to hear anti-vaccination sentiment about a vaccine that hasn't even been developed and released. so i think that -- the communication around the vaccine really needs to start now so people understand the importance of this. >> of course, that's horrible, of course, didn't even think about that element, dr. celine gounder, thanks a lot. tonight, you want to tune into this. join anderson cooper an dr. sanjay gupta, there is another cnn global town hall coronavirus facts and fears. they'll be joined by joe biden with mark zuckerberg and dr. priscilla chan, they run the chan-zuckerberg initiative and have done a lot of work on this front. it airs tonight 8:00 p.m. eastern here o

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celine gounder, clinical assistant professor of medicine and emergency room physician dr dr. thorades. if we can begin with the discussion about antibody testing. we are hearing more about this, dr. fauci talked about it on cnn this morning. and i just wonder if you could explain to the american people, they start to see more headlines about this, what it actually is, what it means, and what the implications are for the country. >> poppy, thank you very much for having me on. the reason that antibody testing is so important, essentially antibodies are our way to identify how our body's own immune system is reacting to exposure to certain viruses or bacteria. this is a new virus. we do not have any previous exposure to it, so while the initial focus was on testing, so that we could identify those individuals who were infected and trying to quarantine them, the reality is that since testing has been slow to roll out, and even now across the country, healthcare workers are unable to easily get tests in certain areas, we need to be able to know who has been exposed since some pat

gounder? >> right, so i think a couple of things.en you remove the mask when you come home, remove it from the ties behind your ear, don't pull it off from your face that way because you have to assume that the exterior of the mask could be contaminated with virus. so that's number one. number two, cloth masks are great -- it's great to just wash them. so just have your washing machine open when you come home, toss it directly into the wash. maybe if you have a couple of them you don't have to wash every day to run a load of those when you have other things to wash. >> sanjay, i love your tutorial. you've done the hand washing, bring back the groceries. we asked you to do a quick tutorial about how to make your own mask. let's take a look. >> i want to show you how to make a mask here. take a bandanna like this and it folds. remember you don't want to take a hospital worker's mask. so i'm showing you this. you should wear a mask if you go in public but only if you feel you can't social distance. you don't need to wear this for exampl

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gounder, does it make any scientific sense not to be telling south carolina or iowa they should have stay-at-home orders in place? is there any scientific validity to the president saying those places are not in jeopardy? >> they're not in jeopardy yet, longer they wait to implement the measures, more in jeopardy they will be. by the time you realize you have transmission locally, it's too late. this is one thing i've really very disappointed in my own city, new york city, we waited too long. even just a couple of days because of the exponential rate of growth, even a day or two can make a huge difference. i hope and pray for the rest of the country they learn from our mistakes and take measures as soon as possible. >> i don't understand any state says they're not in jeopardy. not like testing is statewide, ubiquitous, tests every street corner. they just don't know. people just don't know what the actual numbers of people infected are. >> right. they don't know for sure. and what they would see as celine was mentioning is a picture that's behind the curve. right? because by the time

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mouth, close to the source potentially of these germs, the coronavirus in this case, so as celine gounderut it, it is like thinking about a hose in the mask, if you put the mask on top of the hose, it is not going to let much in. if you move the mask further away, more and more particles can get out. but a cloth mask still allows these viral particles to get around the sides and stuff. it is better at protecting others from you than you from them. >> okay, sanjay, thank you very much for all of the information as always. be sure to join sanjay and anderson cooper tonight for a new cnn global town hall and their guests will include the fda commissioner, new york's governor, and chef jose andreas, also singer song/writer alicia keys will debut the world premiere of her new song that highlights the heroes of the pandemic. join us for coronavirus facts and fears tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. >>> also, cnn is teaming up with sesame street for a special town hall saturday morning at 9:00 a.m. eastern. sanjay and erica hill will be joined by elmo, big bird, abbie, and grover to tackl

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celine gounder, always great to hear your insights there. >>> last to close, first to open is a cherished goal of the waffle house franchise. so much of its locations are back east that the fema director had what he called the waffle house index to assess the damage based on the service available in waffle house locations. now you might call waffle house a coronavirus case study. it has 330 locations in georgia, 70 in tennessee. joining me now is the ceo of waffle house, rolf hamer. on the first day in georgia, tennessee, you're allowed to open up again. are people coming out to dine in, or are they hesitant to do so? >> sure, thank you, john. people are coming out. i was listening to your previous guests, and i do see a lot of traffic out in the communities. but not a lot of traffic in the businesses. so i think people are moving about from here to there. what i saw in the restaurants yesterday, i was in the restaurants all day and i was in them again this morning is, it's a little bit more traffic, but people are still practicing social distancing, they are wearing masks, they are stand

celine gounder, epidemiologist and hosted the epidemic podcast. does it make sense for restaurants to be open in georgia on monday? >> it's very concerning because we still don't have the level of contact tracing, testing and ability to isolate people with infection right now. georgia testing at rates nowhere that it needs to be happening and a state very hard hit by covid, so it is concerning that we could see another resurgence. if you look back at what happened in the 1918 flu pandemic, cities that lifted social distancing restrictions too soon ended up with a second peak and higher peak during the second peak, so this is very worrisome. >> how worried are you about a second wave of the pandemic hitting this winter, at the same time that the seasonal flu is hitting? >> well, i think we're guaranteed to have both at the same time. we are going to see a resurgence of covid as you lift social distancing restrictions. i think what you're going to see is a patchwork of approaches across the country, some places that will lift and then reimplement an