professor steven pinker professor pinker just before the break we were talking about this laying gourab a conscience between democracy and violence and i would like to pursue that bit further you make a point in your book that the worst outbreaks of violence were often motivated by idealistic moralistic belief system something that you call utopian ideologies and we can definitely see some elements of that in what is happening in the middle in. much of the violence there or at least some of the violence there is fueled by militant islam but some of the western governments in the beginning of that struggle supported those forces because probably they believed that was the better or the best way of reading that region from dictatorships and bringing about democracy and i wonder if we can add democracy at least they expand chinese democracy of the kind of styles by george w. bush to that at least a few topi an ideology is on par with communism on par with nazism on par with militant religion's you know the ideologies that can ultimately lead to an increase in violence. i don't think so bec