[applause] director gover: we are going to resume now. we have with us a very distinguished panel i want to enter this briefly and i will begin the conversation before we begin taking questions from all of you. first to my right is amanda blackhorse. amanda is a social worker and citizen of the navajo nation. she is known as an activist in this controversy over the name of the washington football team. she is the lead plaintiff in blackhorse against pro football inc. to her right is leo killsback. he is an assistant professor at arizona state, a citizen of the cheyenne nation. he wrote an edition of a story of governance and leadership systems within the cheyenne nation. please welcome professor killsback. to my left is jim warne, and he has a bachelors of science from arizona state university and an ms from san diego state university. he earned a postgraduate certificate in rehabilitation administration. he is the training coordinator for the san diego state university enter work institute. he administers the postemployment threatening a

kevin gover: it is good to be back in the valley. i was expecting different weather than we have got but we all know rain is always a blessing in the desert. it is very good to be here at the museum. it is one of our important partners nationally and works with armies and to help us sharpen ideas and share information and objects quite often. it is always good to be here. for those of you who have not seen it, i hope you will check out the exhibition on native americans in sports. i think you will be surprised. one of the things that many people are surprised by our the range of things that native americans have achieved excellence in. this is one of those areas. we all know about jim thorpe. there were many other native athletes of whom you should be aware, one of whom we will hear from. let me jump into it.

kevin gover: you teach native american studies at asu. is this an issue to discuss in -- discuss in your class? leo killsback: we discuss this in the introductory course. there is so much to cover in american studies. a lot of people enter these classes ranking they will learn about rather shallow topics about indians like buckskin and beads. i ask students what they expect and some of them are very honest. sometimes they are naive about the fact they are enrolled, i commend that effort because it shows they want to learn something about indian people. in the introduction class, we cover a lot of the topics already discussed. not in depth, but the other classes i teach, the film class i offer focuses directly on the development of stereotypes of indian people beginning with the culmination of america. we talk about mainstream movies. "american sniper." a lot of articles have been published of about how he viewed the iraqi people as a savages. a scholar has an entire book dedicated to the language of savagery. we introduce that concept of

. >> let's protect the distinction between our faith and our gover >>> let's protect the distinctiongovernment. >> it wasn't barring god from the public square. >> so what did they mean? most of us are for separation of church and state, but how far should government and religion be separated? >> i don't believe in an america with a separation of church and state is absolute. >> absolute. it certainly isn't now. in some towns the ten commandments are posted conspicuously in front of courthouses. is that wrong? what about "in god we trust" being all over our currency. david silverman president of the american atheists says both are wrong. but harry says it's a myth that the constitution even requires separation of church and state. really? i thought it did. >> absolutely. the words separation of church and state are nowhere to be found in our constitution. the fact of the matter is our founders were by and large men of great faith who were neither ashamed nor afraid to acknowledge that our rights come not from man, not from government, but from almighty god, the creator god. and the f

kevin gover: you teach native american studies at asu. is this an issue to discuss in -- discuss in your class? leo killsback: we discuss this in the introductory course. there is so much to cover in american studies. a lot of people enter these classes ranking they will learn about rather shallow topics about indians like buckskin and beads. i ask students what they expect and some of them are very honest. sometimes they are naive about the fact they are enrolled, i commend that effort because it shows they want to learn something about indian people. in the introduction class, we cover a lot of the topics already discussed. not in depth, but the other classes i teach, the film class i offer focuses directly on the development of stereotypes of indian people beginning with the culmination of america. we talk about mainstream movies. "american sniper." a lot of articles have been published of about how he viewed the iraqi people as a savages. a scholar has an entire book dedicated to the language of savagery. we introduce that concept of

this news hour: reports of violence and irregularityies as nigerians vote for influential state goverance. >>> coming up we will tell you why many indians say they prefer traditional books over ebooks. in sport the badminton star facing a potentially career-ending verdict. first, the kenyan government has told the united nations to move a massive refugee camp over the border into somalia within three months. it follows an attack by somali al shabaab fighters on the kenyan university last week that killed 148 people. the camp is one of the world's largest and shelters more than 600,000 mostly somali refugees who fled civil war. paul brennan has more details. >> reporter: the camps at dadaab were first constructed in the early 1990 did and cover an area of 55 square kilometers. by 2011, with more than half a million displaced people living there, dadaab was regarded as the largest refugee camp in the world. the vast majority are somali refugees. in 2013 a try partide agreement agreed a plan for the volume you knowtary repat reation back to somalia. there have been somes military action. ken

former maryland gover nor martin o'malley hinted he may run against hillary clinton calls the trans pacifice watching details of if i agreement before deciding whether to support it or oppose it. warring democrats isn't what president obama is looking for nor hillary clinton as she tries to build a coalition at the start of the cam pane. to the panel now, looking at how democrats move forward. we talked about it earlier in the show. hillary clinton and what possession she's taking. this is a perfect example of something. clearly she doesn't want to weigh in on this now. you have warren and the lay br unions on one side the presidents on the other. if you're a democrat up running for president you don't want to be in the middle of this. how long can she sit it out? >> she's smart. i listened to governor o'malley say it is a bad trade deal. tell us what's in the trade deal? i don't know. none of us know . we are forming opinions based on how we reacted to nafta. >> that's a big thing. the trade deals is have animated the democratic base of today. >> why won't anybody say let's see what's in t

the third area we really need to focus on is basic governess. we need to be working toward a governing style that will allow the congress and the presidency to work together, and also people of different parties to work together. what should you be looking for in terms of leadership? first of all when i go around the country and i talk to people, i hear over and over again that we need leaders that we can trust. we need leaders that will tell us what the problems are, with the police are not the problems, and how they want to fix it. there is a consistency in that. this kind of leadership course thate willingness to take a risk, to take the hits. to stand up for what you believe , not from a poll that helps you to ship an issue politically but what you need to do is put out these issues in a way that is not simply smart or safe, but from your heart. and i have to say the one comment that i have been the part of staff in the leadership positions i've had is when people tell me i do not agree with you all the time, but i know what you say is what

we heard remarks from kevin gover. here is a look. kevin: there is a well-intentioned teacher somewhere who was teaching her students about thanksgiving because that is required content in almost every state in the union. now, this is innocent play isn't it? these are kids and they are pretending. if they were pretending to be any other race, that would the deemed as inappropriate, but not when it comes to indian. the thing is the innocent play becomes this, sorority girls dressing up as indians, frat boys dressing up as indians later, hipsters dressing up as indians. these guys. i don't know what that is all about? but what is this thing about dressing up as indians? and then it becomes commercialized. victoria's secret every year, and of course this. so, what starts out as innocent play eventually becomes ignorant and racist. announcer: just part of an event held recently on the stereotyping of american indian culture in sports and society. you can watch the entire event tonight at 9:00 p.m. on c-span. tomorrow on washington journal

kevin gover: it is good to be back in the valley.xpecting different weather than we have got but we all know rain is always a blessing in the desert. it is very good to be here at the museum. it is one of our important partners nationally and works with armies and to help us sharpen ideas and share information and objects quite often. it is always good to be here. for those of you who have not seen it, i hope you will check out the exhibition on native americans in sports. i think you will be surprised. one of the things that many people are surprised by our the range of things that native americans have achieved excellence in. this is one of those areas. we all know about jim thorpe. there were many other native athletes of whom you should be aware, one of whom we will hear from. let me jump into it. i will have to turn my site do you from time to time so i can see which slide we are on. i am at the national museum of the american indian. one of the things that interest us greatly is the persistence of stereotypes. our visitors don'