just as the wall street bela became a justification for the -- governmentt, help means government control. given the goals of the bailout are not identical to those of the company, it was inevitable there would be political meddling in the operations of the company in the name of protecting jobs and so on. the wall street journal has documented what a huge role politics played in determining how many dealerships the companies would shudder. there are many other examples. the bailout has opened the door for a direct government involvement in private business that makes a mockery of the constitutional scheme of a government of limited powers. this might be the most damaging legacy of the bailout. >> thank you for your testimony. i grant myself five minutes. would you walk through the metrics of this intervention in the free market? i am trying to understand. there is a different way of defining success in the real world. the total investment from taxpayers verses the total loss. >> i believe there was $50 billion invested in gm. that does not count some of the exemptions it has been granted